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Unread 05-25-2010, 01:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shielding my Les Paul...

Hey!

I really want to sheild my les paul... I have done it to my strat (with singlecoils) and it is now more silent than my Les Paul (Humbuckers).

What I'm wandering is; What should I shield?
It's pretty easy on a strat, but a les paul got lots of cavities and I really don't know which to shield.

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Btw: I do not want those "Don't shield your guitar, it's not worth it"-replies...
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Unread 05-25-2010, 10:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

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Hey!

I really want to sheild my les paul... I have done it to my strat (with singlecoils) and it is now more silent than my Les Paul (Humbuckers).

What I'm wandering is; What should I shield?
It's pretty easy on a strat, but a les paul got lots of cavities and I really don't know which to shield.

Håkon

Btw: I do not want those "Don't shield your guitar, it's not worth it"-replies...
It's tough because the Paul's pups usually sit pretty high out of the body cavity. Do they have covers on them?

Other than that, I would recommend some shielding paint and get as many of the cavities covered as possible. As far as the wire channel, you should have wired, braided cabling in there. From there, you need to provide continuity between the cavities somehow...a mechanically anchored wire or something. Honestly, you may look at other areas of your signal path to quiet it down....
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Unread 05-26-2010, 04:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

They don't haver covers...
I think the rest of my signal path is as quiet as it can be. With my strat , it's dead silent... even with pretty high gain...
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Overall, I agree with the direction Will C is going in...

Generally, I believe it helps a Strat, but doesn't do much for a LP (I have my Strats shielded). For the pickups, the best thing (IMO) would be to put covers on the pickups and use shielded cable throughout (i.e. vintage braided). Think about it - if the covers are installed and soldered to the baseplates, the cover/baseplate combo IS the electronic "shield" around the pickup. Then you don't have to worry about shielding the pickup routes and running leads between them to interconnect everything. As far as shielding the control cavity, you'll have to decide for yourself. I just don't think it does much good in a LP if you're already using vintage braided cable throughout. Remember, Strats use unshielded leads; LP's use shielded wiring (when done vintage-style with braided cables).

As always, consider your environment: the power coming out of the wall, other electronic items in the vicinity, florescent lights, etc.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Use the shielding paint, 3 coats, 24 hours between each coat.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Buy a power conditioner if you dont have one. It may or may not completely solve your problem but it will definatley make a considerable difference. Plus they protect your eqipment.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Does pickup covers do anything to your output?
'Cause if they don't... I think that would be a good idea!

Thanks for your answers everyone!
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I had a terrible hum in my Les Paul. Could never figure it out. I had it shielded. Quiet as a mouse.

I took it to a guitar tech.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Putting covers on the pups will change your tone. Shielding paint is a good idea as the harness is grounded together already if shielded wire was used. If you decide on covers, get the nickle-silver variety, not plated brass, as the brass versions dampen the sound. Also shield the cavity covers inside with adhesive copper or aluminum foil and make sure the paint comes over the edge so the foil makes contact.

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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

So... Is it most important to shield the pickup cavities? or the control cavity?

I do not want to use covers on my pickups if it changes/dampen my sound...
I love my sound, but the hum annoys me... =/
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Pickup covers they say will change something.I bought copper foil from Stewart Mcdonald and shielded ALL the cavities,pickup selector,input jack,and the main cavity.
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So... Is it most important to shield the pickup cavities? or the control cavity?

I do not want to use covers on my pickups if it changes/dampen my sound...
I love my sound, but the hum annoys me... =/
The control cavity is foremost the likely place to start. The pup cavity can't hurt either. Make sure the pup cavity shielding makes contact with the control ground to be useful at all.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

Thanks for your answers, everybody!
I'll tell you how it went when I'm done!

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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

think twice about shielding a guitar. IME it kills some high end sparkle and overtones.
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Re: Shielding my Les Paul...

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Use the shielding paint, 3 coats, 24 hours between each coat.
I had my Junior done this way, and I'm happy with it. I really don't know if it accomplishes anything I need, and have no idea how it changed the tone, as it was done commensurate with a pickup upgrade.

My dual-P-90 Ibanez is treated this way as well, and I'm happy with it, too. I've never felt the need to even think about it on my Humbucker LPs, nor on my dual-P-90 hollow body, but I really, really don't think it would do any harm to their "tone".

My R8's getting P-90s next week, with no plans to shield it - but we'll see. I'll be doing some before-and-after recordings - stock, with new neck, then with new both pickups. It'll be most interesting to see if it makes me consider shielding.
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My R8's getting P-90s next week, with no plans to shield it - but we'll see. I'll be doing some before-and-after recordings - stock, with new neck, then with new both pickups. It'll be most interesting to see if it makes me consider shielding.
I don't think you'll need any shielding. The metal covers provide some shielding on the Phat Cats that you don't get with a traditional P-90's plastic cover (straight off the SD website description).
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I had a terrible hum in my Les Paul. Could never figure it out. I had it shielded. Quiet as a mouse.

I took it to a guitar tech.
Just took one of my LP's and my SG to my luthier for the same reason. Hope I have the same results as you!!!
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