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Unread 04-09-2010, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

without checking these on a meter...which of the following would you prefer for a neck and bridge cap (all bee caps):

.01 10% 400 VDC
.01 20% 400 VDC
.012 10% 200 VDC
.022 10% 400 VDC
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

,01uF for both positions, preferably 10% tolerance but 20% would do fine to
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

"without checking these on a meter" is a bit of a problem. You don't know if they are within tolerance, or even if they are, which way the +/- % is (ie, a .010@20% could be .012, good, or .008, not so good). They could have drifted too. Test them all in the guitar, trust your ears.

I'd prob run with one of the .01s in the neck, maybe the .012, and either the .012 or the .022 in the bridge. But I don't generally like an .022.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

.01 or .015 in the neck
.022 in the bridge
- lower tolerance is better
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

i use .022 on both positions but with 650K vol & tone pots on the neck position.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

each value has its merits.... generally I like low values

I use 0.010 neck and 0.022 bridge in my LP with fairly bright bickups.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

A 0.01uF in the bridge probably won't be enough.

Take a 0.022uF for the bridge and 0.01uF for the neck. The tighter the tolerances, the better.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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A 0.01uF in the bridge probably won't be enough.

Take a 0.022uF for the bridge and 0.01uF for the neck. The tighter the tolerances, the better.
0,01uF in the bridge works fine for me

"EDIT" It actually reads 0,0136uF by the way
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

I often roll my bridge off to 2/3 so it wouldn't for me. YMMV.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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0,01uF in the bridge works fine for me

"EDIT" It actually reads 0,0136uF by the way
my 0.022 uF actually reads 0.019 uF

I liked the 0.010 in the bridge but the 0.019 works slightly better... probably due to the pickup low output ( 7.9k ) and a bright, fully charged Alnico V magnet
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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my 0.022 uF actually reads 0.019 uF

I liked the 0.010 in the bridge but the 0.019 works slightly better... probably due to the pickup low output ( 7.9k ) and a bright, fully charged Alnico V magnet
7,7kOhm Alnico V here in the bridge with slightly missmatched coils and 0,0136uF Bee
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

.01 neck .012 bridge, I prefer the lower values myself. Much better upper mid curve and killer woman Tone when rolled all the way off
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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.01 neck .012 bridge, I prefer the lower values myself. Much better upper mid curve and killer woman Tone when rolled all the way off
Most of thoose who get to try me Les Paul get´s shocked about the bright bridge i have but i don´t find it to bright, instead the PIO caps (Bumblebee) let´s me go real bright but without being harsh, but i´ve found that different amps and especially different speakers affect that to.
Like you say, upper mid curve killer woman tone and tons of clarity even when tone is on 0

It was you and Hilario who inspired me to venture into 0,01uF value
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

If they all read around those values, then I would use .01 10% for both positions.
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.01 neck .012 bridge, I prefer the lower values myself. Much better upper mid curve and killer woman Tone when rolled all the way off
i hear this too...have a .01 in my neck, and .022 in the bridge...the woman tone is considerably better on the neck pup
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

Woman tone is considerably better on the neck pickup because woman tone is when you're using the neck pickup with the tone rolled all the way off and volume on full.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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Woman tone is considerably better on the neck pickup because woman tone is when you're using the neck pickup with the tone rolled all the way off and volume on full.
Woman Tone can be achieved using the neck or bridge pu's and rolling off the Tone. It does not have to be just be the neck pickup.

My Esquire just has a bridge pu and I have the 3 way switch wired so the front setting is "fixed wah" and it has a Sweet sounding Woman Tone
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

Woman tone was created by using the neck pickup, that's why it's achieved better and easier when using it.
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

Id say .012 neck, .022 bridge

I have a .0115 on my neck pickup, and its perfect imo. I also have a .018 on my bridge, it could stand to be darker, but it hasnt bother me enough to swap
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

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Woman tone was created by using the neck pickup, that's why it's achieved better and easier when using it.
I once dialed in a Marshall 100w solid state amp MG series i think so that i had a very beefy tone with the neck pickup and i played the smoke on the water riff I you didn´t know it was the neck pickup i was using you would never have guessed it.

Bottom line, same tone can be achieved in different ways

EDIT the guitar was a Fender Stratocaster MIM rosewood fretboard
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Re: Bumblebee Cap Opinions...

Clapton says it can be either pickup

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Really, imagine that

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