De-Bunking Myths About Capacitors

[Indyclone]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I would go with the lower values in that ES copy because it has a darker sound anyways, so you do not really want dark capacitors in it. It will be more open and have better mids when a lower value cap is rolled off vs being bassy with a larger value cap. Just a suggestion.

Thanks, I'll try the .015 first... I might have to find another to try in my LP...

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Indyclone

Thanks, I'll try the .015 first... I might have to find another to try in my LP...

It's all good, be sure to let us know how that .015 sounds to you OK?

[Sinster]

I got some of these coming.

[jonesy]

The k40y-9's sound Sweet

[hobbyman]

Great Thread!!!

Jonesy, what effect do capacitors have on volume pots? Is a 'volume bleed kit' another way of saying you have a capacitor on your volume pot? I ask this with my Tradition Tele in mind, because I read a review in which a guy with the same guitar opened his up and found a capacitor on the volume pot. According to him, the cap was rated too high, and he replaced it with a .001 cap. (a voume bleed kit ?) The change supposedly helped his volume control to work better, which is what I need in my Tele.

[Goldtop75]

Originally Posted by jonesy

Excellent post Goldtop, I have this same Myth thread posted over in the backstage area. Would you mind making this same post over on that thread? I think a lot of people would benefit from reading it?

Sure... not a problem.

I forgot to mention that to understand what I was saying about phase angles, one must first think of the electrical flow of electrons in a waveform as a 3D object, and not a 2D expression. The 2D version is used mainly in mathematics, which can explain clearly how the primary waveform is affected when the charge is discharged from the capacitor. But to picture it, it must be a 3D model.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Goldtop75

Sure... not a problem.

I forgot to mention that to understand what I was saying about phase angles, one must first think of the electrical flow of electrons in a waveform as a 3D object, and not a 2D expression. The 2D version is used mainly in mathematics, which can explain clearly how the primary waveform is affected when the charge is discharged from the capacitor. But to picture it, it must be a 3D model.

That 3rd dimension must be what MOJO is

I think I get it bro, good explanation

[Goldtop75]

Originally Posted by Drudeboy

Personally, I agree with the electronic experts. 'well known opinion' would have been a better choice of words. Perception is affected greatly by what the mind expects. In one famous experiment a group of wine experts gave a favourable review to what they thought was red wine. It was in fact white wine with a red dye. Think on sheeple.

Yes, while perception is a thing to be considered, there is truth in the fact that Capacitors can affect resultant waveforms when in use.

Wine "experts" are not scientists. No empirical proof can be given about taste. (though how white tastes like red, even if dyed, I'll never know.)

Read my post on phase angles and discharge qualities. That should make a lot more sense...

Note that I never said anything about whichever being "better". There is no such thing. It's preference.

[Goldtop75]

Originally Posted by jonesy

It's all good, be sure to let us know how that .015 sounds to you OK?

I like the 0.15 caps in my LP for the neck pup. RS makes a mean kit! 0.15 for the neck, and 0.22 for the bridge. PERFECT!

[NoStatic]

Originally Posted by Goldtop75

Wine "experts" are not scientists. No empirical proof can be given about taste. (though how white tastes like red, even if dyed, I'll never know.)

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Most people cant tell the difference, Ive heard it said. Tastings are often done in opaque black glasses with wine tasted at a common temperature for this reason.

[MrRhoads]

Originally Posted by Sinster

I got some of these coming.

+1 Me to

[tazzboy]

Yeah I do too. I just need to get myself a capacitor meter do some measurements to see which one are the best.

By the way what I ballpark range should be looking for in these caps?

[MrRhoads]

Originally Posted by tazzboy

Yeah I do too. I just need to get myself a capacitor meter do some measurements to see which one are the best.

By the way what I ballpark range should be looking for in these caps?

Since they have 10% tolerance they should be between 13,5 - 16,5uF.

[tazzboy]

Well I am getting

.010
.022
.033
.047

I want to get .015 but they didn't have any so I will have to look somewhere else or wait.

[MrRhoads]

Originally Posted by tazzboy

Well I am getting

.010
.022
.033
.047

I want to get .015 but they didn't have any so I will have to look somewhere else or wait.

Have you talked to Jonesy?
He might have some.

[tazzboy]

Not yet I have to wait until next month to do some purchase.

Beside I have his eBay Store save on my eBay Search for stores.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by MrRhoads

Since they have 10% tolerance they should be between 13,5 - 16,5uF.

I think just about every new capacitor I have ever measured, always reads below the spec'd value never over. The .003's I have actually read .029 uf

Pots will read over or under but New caps always seem to read lower than specs.

Now Used Old caps will either read at spec or many have gone dark and read higher than than should. I have checked .022's that read .068 and .083 before.

Also it depends which range you use on the meter to test them at. I think on my meter I use 200n or 20n and you you will also get a slight different measurable. I may have to look again and make sure those numbers are correct (it's early, still on my first cup of coffee ) on the meter but one reads higher and one reads lower so I measure both than average the two readings.

[tazzboy]

What kind of Meter do you use Jonesy's?

[b-squared]

Originally Posted by NoStatic

Most people cant tell the difference, Ive heard it said. Tastings are often done in opaque black glasses with wine tasted at a common temperature for this reason.

I used to live in Wine Country (20 minutes from Napa, CA), and I've never seen wine served in black glasses...seeing the color and clarity is one of the inspection points.

Maybe they use those for the Pepsi challenge, and you got them mixed up.

But I digress...bump for the thread!



BB

[dwagar]

most of the old caps (pulls) I've checked read higher, but 99% have been within tolerance. But, I've probably only checked 100 or so.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by tazzboy

What kind of Meter do you use Jonesy's?

I have a VIOT Multi purpose bench meter reads capacitance, volts, amps, ohms etc. I don't test caps for "Leakage" or voltage etc. not necessary for Tone caps just to see what they actually read in uf.

[AngryHatter]

Originally Posted by Malikon

Myth #7: Putting plutonium into capacitors and getting your car up to 88mph will initiate time travel.

False.



Nice post OP, I learned some things, thanks.

Then how did I get back here?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by AngryHatter

Then how did I get back here?

You must have used a "Flux" Capacitor

[tazzboy]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I have a VIOT Multi purpose bench meter reads capacitance, volts, amps, ohms etc. I don't test caps for "Leakage" or voltage etc. not necessary for Tone caps just to see what they actually read in uf.

Yeah I was looking at getting this

Digital LCD Display Multimeter BEST-890B BEST Multimeter, Digital Multimeter - DinoDirect.com

[5F6-A]

Originally Posted by jonesy

You must have used a "Flux" Capacitor

love the film!!

[siore]

PIO caps do make a difference. Swapped out .010 mylar caps (green chiclet thingies) for some .010 russian k40 PIO's from jonesy. Just what my neck position needs. More brightness, but jonesy's 'sparkle' term is probably more accurate. Just a tad bit more. But it's exactly what I wanted it to be.

My bridge position has gone from .022 mylars to .015 k40's. Bigger change here, as I changed cap type AND cap value. There's a bit more clarity and aggressive edge to the sound, but I do miss the more vocal qualities of the old cap. I think I may prefer .022's, since I could use more of that roll-off that higher values give.

Anyways, just to cover all bases, I'm gonna test out these .022 k40's that just got into my mail. AT LEAST, if I keep cap type to the k40-y9's, and manipulate the values, I think I can figure out my preference before I muck around with other types.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by tazzboy

Yeah I was looking at getting this

Digital LCD Display Multimeter BEST-890B BEST Multimeter, Digital Multimeter - DinoDirect.com

That looks very similar to the one I have, it should work fine for for checking cap values and measuring pots and circuits

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by 5F6-A

love the film!!

Me to!

[MrRhoads]

Originally Posted by siore

My bridge position has gone from .022 mylars to .015 k40's. Bigger change here, as I changed cap type AND cap value. There's a bit more clarity and aggressive edge to the sound, but I do miss the more vocal qualities of the old cap. I think I may prefer .022's, since I could use more of that roll-off that higher values give.

May i suggest you give the Green K42Y-2 a try in the bridge?
Jonesy has them and i´m currently using a K42Y-2 0,022uF in the bridge and it´s the best one i´ve ever tried IMO.
IT´s very vocal, musical, really shines in audio (clarity) quality as well IMO.
I´m waiting for a K40 to try in the neck but K42´s really kicks ass IMO

[TKOjams]

Sticky,sticky,sticky,sticky,

Loads of help!!! Thanks!!!