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[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Alpedra

Ok.. let me see if I understood correctly after browsing through many topics about the modern vs 50s wiring.

This is my les paul control cavity:



It has the modern wiring. If I want to change to 50s, all I have to do is change the tone cap end to the vol pot center plug?

Thanks in advace..

If you have modern wiring and then swap cap over to center lug on volume pot you will have what is known here at MLPF as "Hybrid" 50's wiring. For the complete version you would also need so solder the middle lug of Tone pot back to case and use outside lug for cap lead.

I have found that it is not so crital how Tone pot is wired, but how the cap connects to volume pot. Outside lug on volume is where your pu lead solders in(modern) the middle lug is where switch lead connects (50's wiring) connecting cap lead to center lug will give you a little more treble and also keep Tone from being muddy when you turn volume down.

You can compare these two diagrams. I found that my 06' Gibson LP Studio sounded better and thicker with the Modern wiring, it varies from guitar to guitar according to a poll I did here at MLPF

[Alpedra]

Thanks.... What´s the difference between soldering the cap to the outside lug or to the middle lug of the tone pot?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Alpedra

Thanks.... What´s the difference between soldering the cap to the outside lug or to the middle lug of the tone pot?

Not a very noticeable difference at all IMO, maybe a tad smoother taper when you roll Tone off. You might try tinkering with it and see if you can hear any difference?

I have found that LP wiring/Tone will vary because of many factors, pickups, pots and Tone caps used in different combination's will produce different results.

Also the natural acoustic Tone of your LP needs to be considered, is it brighter or darker when you strum it unplugged etc? Best to try and see what sounds good to your ear, through your guitar and amp set-up. Good luck and have fun

[Alpedra]

Best to try and see what sounds good to your ear, through your guitar and amp set-up. Good luck and have fun

I will.. Thanks again.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Alpedra

I will.. Thanks again.

No problem bro, your welcome.

[Leo_Gibson]

Hi guys, I just started a thread regarding my Epiphone LP wiring, wondered if any of you could offer your expertise as I'm keen to get into this whole modding thing!

Thanks,

Leo

WTF is up with my Epi LP wiring?

[timkenyon]

Hi - new poster.

My project is some way off at the moment not actually owning said guitar. I'm looking at buying the Epiphone Black Beauty 3 (with the Alnico pickups) and want to get the following tone combinations:

1) Bridge only
2) Bridge and Middle
3) Middle only
4) Bridge and Neck
5) Neck only
6) Bridge and Neck

So I have a few questions:
a) Fit a 6-way rotary switch, or fit a 2nd 3-way toggle; 1 for the Bridge only to middle only; 1 for the neck?
b) Any wiring diagrams available for this?
c) Should I go with the 3 vol/1 tone arrangement?

Thanks for any time spent reading/replying. I'm off to lie down and listen to Zepplin - my brain hurts.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by timkenyon

Hi - new poster.

My project is some way off at the moment not actually owning said guitar. I'm looking at buying the Epiphone Black Beauty 3 (with the Alnico pickups) and want to get the following tone combinations:

1) Bridge only
2) Bridge and Middle
3) Middle only
4) Bridge and Neck
5) Neck only
6) Bridge and Neck

So I have a few questions:
a) Fit a 6-way rotary switch, or fit a 2nd 3-way toggle; 1 for the Bridge only to middle only; 1 for the neck?
b) Any wiring diagrams available for this?
c) Should I go with the 3 vol/1 tone arrangement?

Thanks for any time spent reading/replying. I'm off to lie down and listen to Zepplin - my brain hurts.

If I were going to wire that 3 pu black beauty for myself, I would use 3 way toggle and have it wired normally bridge, bridge/neck parallel, neck and then I would install a push pull in place of one of Tone pots that would activate the middle pickup at any time. So you can have all 3 pu's on at once or neck/ middle or middle/bridge settings. Rotary's can be clumsy and hard to use on the fly. peace, jonesy

[84standard]

Hey guys, brand new here...
Way, way back I rewired my LPS using micro switches for series/par and coil tap...
This was before I ever heard of push/pulls LOL... So, I want to still use them, don't want holes showing through to the cavity. :-(

I want to wire it up with the 50's scematic, but with the taps and series switches... I see schematics using the push/pulls but not the toggles.
Does anyone have any info on doing it that way?

Thanks!

Awesome forum by the way ;-)

Thanks,
Gary

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by 84standard

Hey guys, brand new here...
Way, way back I rewired my LPS using micro switches for series/par and coil tap...
This was before I ever heard of push/pulls LOL... So, I want to still use them, don't want holes showing through to the cavity. :-(

I want to wire it up with the 50's scematic, but with the taps and series switches... I see schematics using the push/pulls but not the toggles.
Does anyone have any info on doing it that way?

Thanks!

Awesome forum by the way ;-)

Thanks,
Gary

The push pull DPDT pots will have 6 pins just like the DPDT mini toggles, so they are basically wired the same. If you ave a schematic for push pulls with 6 pins translate that to your mini toggle switch with 6 pins and you should be good to go. There may be some grounding and things like that you will have to pay attention to as well.

BTW Welcome to the MLPF bro, lot's of really great people here

peace, jonesy

[84standard]

Thanks Jonesy!
I think I was one in this thread if I'm not mistaken...
I can convert that to a 50's setup, correct?
Let me find it and i'll show you...

[84standard]

OK, I can't find it, but what I was thinking is going from pickups to what DiMarzio shows in their schematics for switches,(maybe the dual sound/coil tap) then from the switches with the "hot" and "ground" to the "50's wiring" positions on the vol/tone pots, etc...
Does that make sense?

And what kind of ground "issues" do you think I might have problems with?

I had removed the stock cavity plate long ago, can I just run a wire from pot to pot and switch to pots, ets...?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by 84standard

OK, I can't find it, but what I was thinking is going from pickups to what DiMarzio shows in their schematics for switches,(maybe the dual sound/coil tap) then from the switches with the "hot" and "ground" to the "50's wiring" positions on the vol/tone pots, etc...
Does that make sense?

And what kind of ground "issues" do you think I might have problems with?

I had removed the stock cavity plate long ago, can I just run a wire from pot to pot and switch to pots, ets...?

Check out my pics folder here at MLPF and look for wiring diagrams, not sure actually what you are trying to accomplish with the mini toggles?
Also seymourduncan.com/wiring

[84standard]

Do you have a direc link?
I can't seem to access it.

I am thinking a coil tap and a series/parallel or a coil tap/phase for each for each pick up.
Just looking for tone options and with the switches in a neutral position a vintage sound/tone.

If I didn't have the holes, I would just do a normal 50's wiring.

Or, maybe just leave it all alone as it works fine now...LOL

Not at all happy with the PUPS though, that might be it... maybe some SD's...

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by 84standard

Do you have a direc link?
I can't seem to access it.

I am thinking a coil tap and a series/parallel or a coil tap/phase for each for each pick up.
Just looking for tone options and with the switches in a neutral position a vintage sound/tone.

If I didn't have the holes, I would just do a normal 50's wiring.

Or, maybe just leave it all alone as it works fine now...LOL

Not at all happy with the PUPS though, that might be it... maybe some SD's...

I do not use PM's here, You can contact me by email at jonesyblues@yahoo.com or on skype jonesy.tonemojo

[Rick-BJ]

Hi all.

Could anybody make me a diagram for this :

2 Humbuckers 3 way 2 dpdt switches to split each humbucker

Thanks Rick.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Rick-BJ

Hi all.

Could anybody make me a diagram for this :

2 Humbuckers 3 way 2 dpdt switches to split each humbucker

Thanks Rick.

I think this is probably what you are looking for?

[snaredrum]

hi guys, i've got the epiphone '58 explorer and flying v, and i want to know how (if there's a way) to wire them '50s style, so there's less treble drop when i roll the volume down.

the '50s ones have '3 in a row pots', and i'm struggling...

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by snaredrum

hi guys, i've got the epiphone '58 explorer and flying v, and i want to know how (if there's a way) to wire them '50s style, so there's less treble drop when i roll the volume down.

the '50s ones have '3 in a row pots', and i'm struggling...

With the single Tone and two volumes 50's wire is not really an option. Check switch runs on epi they can create signal loss as they are usually not like Gibson wiring and I would install a volume bleed kits on both volume pots and you will notice crisp Tone at any volume level

You've been a great customer Aly, email me your addy again and I will send you a pair of bleed kits on the house

[Rick-BJ]

Originally Posted by jonesy

[B][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]I think this is probably what you are looking for?
[diagram]

Thanks,

but i forgot to mention that i wanted no tone pots, so its kinda like this :

1 neck
1 bridge
1 neck volume
1 dpdt neck coilsplitter
1 bridge volume
1 dpdt bridge coilsplitter
1 3 way
1 output

[FF_Pedals]

Originally Posted by Rick-BJ

Thanks,

but i forgot to mention that i wanted no tone pots, so its kinda like this :

1 neck
1 bridge
1 neck volume
1 dpdt neck coilsplitter
1 bridge volume
1 dpdt bridge coilsplitter
1 3 way
1 output

Same as the SD diagram Jonesy found for you but leave the tone caps out.

Edit: Use the push pulls on the volume pots obv...

[Rick-BJ]

@FF, i dont use push pulls but just regular dpdt switch and i have no clue how the wiring would look without tones, i might look inexperienced but i know how to make a pedal and rewire a guitar but i just need it pointed out well :P

i made a rough diagram without wires, if anybody could add the wires i would be very gratefull.

[jonesy]

[quote=Rick-BJ;934638]@FF, i dont use push pulls but just regular dpdt switch and i have no clue how the wiring would look without tones, i might look inexperienced but i know how to make a pedal and rewire a guitar but i just need it pointed out well :P

i made a rough diagram without wires, if anybody could add the wires i would be very gratefull.


Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will be able to take care of himself...there is a little box named Google on my computer that helps me out quite a bit bro

Wiring Diagrams - Seymour Duncan/Basslines

[jonesy]

The wiring on a 6 pin dpdt pot is exactly the same as it is on a 6 pin dpdt switch. To splt a coil on a Duncan humbucker the red and white wires are hooked together, when these are connected to ground(flip switch) one coil will cut out, I think the screw coil?

You dont actually even need to use a dpdt you could use a spst for coil split. You can wire it so you have one switch to split pu's individually or you could wire them both to same switch and they will split both pu's at one.

I found once I started to understand the basics of passive guitar wiring I did not always need to look at the wiring diagrams and could change and modify them to suit my needs.

If you are not using push pull pots just pretend the 6 pins are your switches and wire as shown, noting grounding lead back to your pot cases as shown. See how only one half of the 6 pins are used?

[snaredrum]

Originally Posted by jonesy

With the single Tone and two volumes 50's wire is not really an option. Check switch runs on epi they can create signal loss as they are usually not like Gibson wiring and I would install a volume bleed kits on both volume pots and you will notice crisp Tone at any volume level

You've been a great customer Aly, email me your addy again and I will send you a pair of bleed kits on the house

Jonesy, you're a legend, but let me pay man. i need a kit for my V and explorer, and i don't want to leave you out of pocket.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by snaredrum

Jonesy, you're a legend, but let me pay man. i need a kit for my V and explorer, and i don't want to leave you out of pocket.

It's all good bro, that is the least I can do. And I always say you get what you give

[Rick-BJ]

Thanks jonesjy, the stupid thing is i was staring at that page and didnt seem to find the diagram i needed,
Thanks for clearing it up, my cheap richwood les paul is gonna get this

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Rick-BJ

Thanks jonesjy, the stupid thing is i was staring at that page and didnt seem to find the diagram i needed,
Thanks for clearing it up, my cheap richwood les paul is gonna get this

Hey it's all good bro, we all have to learn somehow. Glad to see you are tackling things on your own vs running to a tech. If you have any more questions, just post them here or let me know.

[generalwar]

Anyone have some Jimmy Page wiring diagrams from his 58 and 59 LP's ?

[ScottB]

I thought I would contribute some things I have archived as well as try out photobucket. Here are the schematics for the 4 main wiring options for an LP.

The qualifier "US Style" only refers to the orientation of the tone pot and cap, it makes no difference in the circuit on paper. The Black Rose Custom, the BB King Signature, and most all asian clones use what I call "Asian Style". If your tone cap touches ground on either end, you have "Asian Style" and should learn the ramifications before you start messing with things.

Pardon the use of the jack symbol, it was all I had available and should be obvious what it portrays.

Likewise pardon the three-way switch, it was the best I could do; imagine that in the middle position the "T" bar slides over to connect both coil circuits.

Maybe some of you will find them helpful. Print them off and scribble on them.