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[jonesy]

Originally Posted by KP Willits

So, Jonesy... how does that work when the switch has all the lugs on the same side? Which lugs need to be jumped for that? Thanks.....

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[MVendi81]

Hey everybody,

I decided to attempt the coil tap & reverse phase wiring using the diagram from Guitarelectronics.com as a rough guide, except I wanted to have master volumes in the middle position, as well as be able to use the 50's-style wiring. I wondered if this was all possible while using DPDT push/pull pots, so...after some thought and consideration for some of the information I've learned here on this great forum I gave it a go...

I just finished the project and am proud to say it is a success! I also wanted to post my own diagram in case any of you wanted to try it...it's a great mod and of course gives you full use of your volume and tone controls. Just remember...you have to have at least 3-conductor wiring from your pickups to do this mod.

Cheers!

[collar]

I just finished the project and am proud to say it is a success! I also wanted to post my own diagram in case any of you wanted to try it...it's a great mod and of course gives you full use of your volume and tone controls. Just remember...you have to have at least 3-conductor wiring from your pickups to do this mod.

How do you like the sound?, I'm new to the forum and love what everybody is doing.. I just started rewiring my 79 custom and am putting Dimarzio Evolutions in. I'm thinking about splitting the coils, but not sure how the sound will be. Any input would be welcome!

[MVendi81]

Originally Posted by collar

How do you like the sound?, I'm new to the forum and love what everybody is doing.. I just started rewiring my 79 custom and am putting Dimarzio Evolutions in. I'm thinking about splitting the coils, but not sure how the sound will be. Any input would be welcome!

I love the sound(s)! This gives me a ton of tonal options, which is great. The coil tapping ability on these pickups is simply awesome, but then again these Fralin Unbuckers have a reputation for having the best in tapped sounds. I'm not exactly sure how well those Evo's will tap since I'm unfamiliar with them...maybe someone else here as done this and can give more input?

Anyways, it's a fairly easy mod if you're handy with the soldering iron; try it out and let us know what you think!

[bucki]

Hi all -- I'm brand new to this forum. You guys are great -- and I've learned a lot just by reading through your posts. Thanks alot!

Hey, one question as I'm looking through the various wiring diagrams. On Seymour Duncan's diagram below, they are using a black wire to connect the volume pots to the tone pots. What is the effect of this? It seems like a better way to make this connection is in the 50's style wiring diagram provided earlier in this thread -- that it, by using the capacitor to make this connection. But I'm wondering what difference it makes on the effectiveness of the tone control, if any...

If anyone has any thoughts on this, it would be much appreciated, as I am just now starting to prepare for a re-wire project and this one has me baffled!! Thanks a tone for the great forum guys -- really nice!!



Ugh - apparently the image did not load -- sorry about that!!

Here is the link -- or you can refer to Jonsey's diagrams above...

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support...ic=2h_2v_2t_3w

[Gryphon]

I converted my 91 LP Std to 50s wiring a few weeks back and used 0.015uF orange drops for the caps. Problem is I think the tone controls now do nothing. The effect was always very subtle compared to the old bright -> mud wiring, but now I'm beginning to think I've been only imagining the differences between 1 and 10 on either pot. Is there any possibility that one bad solder joint could take both tone controls out of circuit on a 50's wiring? Or are 0.015 caps just too subtle to be useful in some LPs?

[Gryphon]

Update: based on a lot of other stuff I've now read on this forum, I'm beginning to think that 0.015uF caps dont work all that well in a LP Std with stock 300k vol pots. Now I'm thinking about going to 500k...

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Update: based on a lot of other stuff I've now read on this forum, I'm beginning to think that 0.015uF caps dont work all that well in a LP Std with stock 300k vol pots. Now I'm thinking about going to 500k...

Right now I have a Real .015 Bumble Bee PIO Tone Cap in My Tele with 250K CTS Pots and the Tone Control works perfectly with .015. Rolls off fine and even with the .015 lot's of color.

[Thomas Ochoa]

You should check out the full on 22-Dual Master Setup with Serial Broadbucker setting. Pulling the bridge volume combines both buckers in serial and center switch is parallel. The bridge tone pulls a coil only if you pull the neck tone too but sounds good with in broadbucker mode too. the neck volume does dual sound for neck pup and when you have the neck coil tapped, it chooses the slugs or screws. I not sure which but the diagram is around here somewhere or you can find it and variations by searching for 22-Dual on google or something.

Tommy

Originally Posted by MVendi81

Hey everybody,

I decided to attempt the coil tap & reverse phase wiring using the diagram from Guitarelectronics.com as a rough guide, except I wanted to have master volumes in the middle position, as well as be able to use the 50's-style wiring. I wondered if this was all possible while using DPDT push/pull pots, so...after some thought and consideration for some of the information I've learned here on this great forum I gave it a go...

I just finished the project and am proud to say it is a success! I also wanted to post my own diagram in case any of you wanted to try it...it's a great mod and of course gives you full use of your volume and tone controls. Just remember...you have to have at least 3-conductor wiring from your pickups to do this mod.

Cheers!

[notjustdrew]

Hey,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me out.

I'm currently upgrading the wiring in my LP.
I have a p90 in the neck and a hottish- PAF style pup in the bridge.

I've tried the 50s style wiring in a tele and its great, so definitely want to use this.
But I am now thinking of using a coil split or series parallel push-pull on the bridge pickup. (still havn't decided which- do want the hum-cancelling, dont want the increased drop- but the p90 hums so probably will go for straight coil-split)

I can probably bungle through this on my own with a couple of diagrams but would be really useful if anyone could point me in the direction of a single schematic with either setup!

Cheers,

Drew

[jonesy]

You can mod this diagram and use what you need, many other wiring set-ups at seymourduncan.com/wiring



Hope that helps you out bro?

peace, jonesy

[ODD1991]

i am going to create a new circuit for my 2 pickup, 1 tone, 1 volume, 3 way switch les paul. i have a vitamin q 0.015 on the way.

what is the best setup e.g. vintage ect. (diagrams will be amazing help)

what wire is the best to use?

do i use the same wire connecting all componenents?

what are the best quality pots e.g. cts ect.?

what is meant by linear pots?

here is my current setup drawn by me



i wanna create a great sounding circuit and be proud.

[sidepartings26]

I think I will rewire like this. Can anyone tell me... there is a wire connecting all pots in this photo. Do I need to do this for proper grounding or is is optional?

[sidepartings26]

Also can I confirm a few things because I think I am going paranoid and the switch and jack are never shown on wiring diagrams:

Is this the ground and hot respectively on a jack?


And is this the way the switch is wired? I am sure the black or 'hot' goes on the side on it's own. The two prongs are bent together with a blob of solder in the middle to hold them and then the hot wire is soldered on. My biggest question is does it make a difference where the hot is soldered onto this side. Does it need to be onto a blob of solder in the middle or to either side because they are connected anyway I'm guessing?


Thanks this thread is good!

[jonesy]

Input jack looks correct as shown.

As far as switch goes the two in the middle bent together are the hot lead that goes your hot lead on input jack.

The lugs to either side go to the center lug on each volume pot and are from each pickup.

The ground on other side of switch goes to back of volume pot and grounds to the ground wire that loops all your pots together.

If solder has gotten down into where switch lugs mount to switch base it can create a short causing problems.

Hope that helps??

[sidepartings26]

Originally Posted by jonesy

Input jack looks correct as shown.

As far as switch goes the two in the middle bent together are the hot lead that goes your hot lead on input jack.

The lugs to either side go to the center lug on each volume pot and are from each pickup.

The ground on other side of switch goes to back of volume pot and grounds to the ground wire that loops all your pots together.

If solder has gotten down into where switch lugs mount to switch base it can create a short causing problems.

Hope that helps??

Maybe I'm getting confused then. My switches have 2 prongs on one side, 3 on the other, switchcraft as came with guitar. On that picture as I have been doing the 2 prongs on the one side (black cable in the picture) is the hot. On the side with 3 prongs the centre is earth (green) and on each side is to respective volume pots?

I was going to send a braided ground all the way from the jack to the switch. Are you saying that I need to solder it to the top of bridge volume pot and then send a wire from pot to pot round to the neck volume where the metal bar from the tailpiece comes in?

Really appreciating the help. PS I remember the King James and I'm not talking about Lebron!

[jonesy]

Maybe this will help out, look at the switch in the second drawing...

[sidepartings26]

Yeh that look like it. Sticking the hot round the back.

Could I use braided wire instead of solid wire to connect pot to pot?

Also I would use two seperate braided wires from the jack instead of one grounded by braiding.

The second diagram doesn't show the input from jack being earthed to a pot so I guess I don't have to do that?

Also can I just solder everything straight to the switch instead of the pre switch gismo?

Otherwise the second diagram looks like a good plan!

How does this sound for a plan?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sidepartings26

Yeh that look like it. Sticking the hot round the back.

Could I use braided wire instead of solid wire to connect pot to pot?

Also I would use two seperate braided wires from the jack instead of one grounded by braiding.

The second diagram doesn't show the input from jack being earthed to a pot so I guess I don't have to do that?

Also can I just solder everything straight to the switch instead of the pre switch gismo?

Otherwise the second diagram looks like a good plan!

How does this sound for a plan?

Sounds like a plan to me. Just one thing though, the ground from input jack is grounded to the back of the pots because it is tied to braided ground from back of each pot.

There is a ground junction right before switch, kinda hard to tell from diagram but it is there.

Good Luck bro!

[sidepartings26]

Originally Posted by jonesy

Sounds like a plan to me. Just one thing though, the ground from input jack is grounded to the back of the pots because it is tied to braided ground from back of each pot.

There is a ground junction right before switch, kinda hard to tell from diagram but it is there.

Good Luck bro!

Thanks man. Not sure what you mean about it being tied. Do you mean like a few pictures up where all the braided wire appears to be tied upon leaving the cavity and heading up towards the pickups/switch. Or would I just solder it to one pot?

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sidepartings26

Thanks man. Not sure what you mean about it being tied. Do you mean like a few pictures up where all the braided wire appears to be tied upon leaving the cavity and heading up towards the pickups/switch. Or would I just solder it to one pot?

I should have used the word "soldered" I meant tied as in connected electronically not zip tied out of the way, sorry for any confusion.

You see you need that universal ground loop to pots, switch, and input for the ground/circuit to work correctly.

[sidepartings26]

So if I do this will it work? (ignore wire to pickups)



I.e. same as original picture but ignoring hot and ground encased in blue and doing what I have drawn.

I will also use braided wire instead of solid metal to link the pots (ok?)

Jonesy you have the patience of a saint!

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sidepartings26

So if I do this will it work? (ignore wire to pickups)



I.e. same as original picture but ignoring hot and ground encased in blue and doing what I have drawn.

I will also use braided wire instead of solid metal to link the pots (ok?)

Jonesy you have the patience of a saint!

Hmm, Maybe?. Do you have your pickup hot lead to center lug on volume and it should be on outside lug? The switch wire should go to then center lug on each volume pot? Maybe it is that way hard to see??

I run ground from input jack to bridge tone pot (like you have shown)and ground from switch to bridge volume, and then a ground loop to all 4 pots as shown. Then hot lead from switch goes to input jack and there will be a hot wire from switch going to center lug of each volume pot.

Sorry If I am not seeing things correctly in your pic, but am telling you how I wire my LP, looks like you just about got it bor

[jonesy]

You may want to re-read last post as I did some editing on it after I posted it

[sidepartings26]

Originally Posted by jonesy

Hmm, Maybe?. Do you have your pickup hot lead to center lug on volume and it should be on outside lug? The switch wire should go to then center lug on each volume pot? Maybe it is that way hard to see??
Yes it is supposed to be like you say in the picture with the pickups on the outside and hots from switch on inside prong of respective lugs; like 50s style

I run ground from input jack to bridge tone pot (like you have shown)and ground from switch to bridge volume, and then a ground loop to all 4 pots as shown. do you mean the ground from jack stops off at the bridge volume too (by way of solder) and ends at the switch; or do you mean it goes from bridge tone to switch and comes back to bridge volume where the loop round the pots begins?

Then hot lead from switch goes to input jack and there will be a hot wire from switch going to center lug of each volume pot. get this bit

Sorry If I am not seeing things correctly in your pic, but am telling you how I wire my LP, looks like you just about got it bor

I am a total pain, sorry!

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sidepartings26

I am a total pain, sorry!

It's Ok bro, I think you got it now, the grounding is slightly different but as loop is a loop.

I run the ground wire from switch to back of volume pot, but you should be ok how you have it.

If other leads from pickups and switch are correct go ahead and give it another try and see if it flys

[Drudeboy]

Does anyone have a diagram for master vol/master tone (50's style) with the other 2 pots individual pu vols. The diagram for this of the first page of this thread is rather unclear.

Thanks

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Drudeboy

Does anyone have a diagram for master vol/master tone (50's style) with the other 2 pots individual pu vols. The diagram for this of the first page of this thread is rather unclear.

Thanks

You will probably wont find another wiring diagram for that set-up
What don't you understand???

[sidepartings26]

Originally Posted by jonesy

It's Ok bro, I think you got it now, the grounding is slightly different but as loop is a loop.

I run the ground wire from switch to back of volume pot, but you should be ok how you have it.

If other leads from pickups and switch are correct go ahead and give it another try and see if it flys

I'm kicking myself for asking this because everyone reading these must be thinking what a thicko!

But I still don't get the grounding of the ground wire from the jack to the switch. Isn't just sending it to the switch enough? (grounding to a pot on the way) I don't understand if you are saying i need to send it all the way to the switch, solder it on, and then send another ground wire from the same prong on the switch back to a pot? Is just sending it up there not enough?

sorry

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sidepartings26

I'm kicking myself for asking this because everyone reading these must be thinking what a thicko!

But I still don't get the grounding of the ground wire from the jack to the switch. Isn't just sending it to the switch enough? (grounding to a pot on the way) I don't understand if you are saying i need to send it all the way to the switch, solder it on, and then send another ground wire from the same prong on the switch back to a pot? Is just sending it up there not enough?

sorry

No apologies needed, but if you would have called me on my cell phone like I offered, you would have saved us both a lot of time, and everyone her would not be reading our "Thicko-Posts" etc. that was a joke son

You are over thinking this wiring stuff a little bit, just wire it like we discussed earlier, you should be fine. What I think I was trying to say is, I run my ground from switch to bridge volume pot, then the ground wire carries it to the bridge tone, then it goes to the input jack.
You show wire from switch going to bridge tone pot then input jack. It will work either way.