Wiring Library

[Archer]

Stage Fright, thanks for the diagram. That's exactly what I needed.

[Bigneil]

great thread, lots of good info.

most of the LP wiring discussion on forums and on google seems to centre on the endless debate of modern Vs 50's wiring. I have experimented with both, using both dependent and independent volume controls, and coil splitters etc.
But one thing that has always confused me a little is the black rose wiring diagram, but thanks to this thread the confusion is gone. I was just having a right good look at it just now, and it appears to be essentially the same circuit as the seymour duncan diagram, and usual Epiphone wiring, except that the capacitor goes to ground on the volume pot instead of the tone pot. which differs from the traditional LP wiring, both modern and vintage in the way the tone cap is wired.

can any one tell me what advantages or disadvantages there are in using the seymour duncan/black rose type wiring, instead of the usual gibson LP wiring, where the tone capacitor bridges from the a volume pot lug to a tone pot lug.?

[leocuellar]

Hello, I am trying to help a friend to add a push-pull pot to an Epiphone Black Beauty (three pickups), he already have the push-pull pot, and he want to use it to split the coils on the neck pickup (which is a Seymour Duncan Alnico II). Can anyone help us with a diagram to install the push-pull for coil splitting only in that pickup for the Black Beauty?

Thanks in advance!

Leo

[Adambomb]

DIY Les Paul Pro wiring w/split coil tones I bought from Jonesy. Haven't got my pickups yet from Dimarzio. Hope everything looks ok.

[tspoon5150]

Question on the ground wire.......

I have a 1961 original SG.......someone previously messed with the ground wire.......

Presently it appears replaced with a looks like a low e string connected
to the bridge braided wire near the cap and runs to the bridge cavity
and it is not connected to anything.......

What is the correct stock wiring for this ground wire and where is
it grounded to?

Need help on this......

Thanks......

[Adambomb]

Originally Posted by tspoon5150

Question on the ground wire.......

I have a 1961 original SG.......someone previously messed with the ground wire.......

Presently it appears replaced with a looks like a low e string connected
to the bridge braided wire near the cap and runs to the bridge cavity
and it is not connected to anything.......

What is the correct stock wiring for this ground wire and where is
it grounded to?

Need help on this......

Thanks......

As long as there is metal going from bridge to any one of the pots then it's grounded. All your pots should be grounded too.

[tspoon5150]

Thanks for the help

[Raffie..]

can someone help me with 2 volume, 2 tone, 1 master coil split push pull, 50's style wiring?

[Stratottack]

Thanks AshBass for the helpful information.

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by Raffie..

can someone help me with 2 volume, 2 tone, 1 master coil split push pull, 50's style wiring?

Need more details. Do you want both pups tapped using one switch or do you want one pup tapped and if so, which one?

[sgmike]

Originally Posted by ashbass

Here are some images I fixed up to show the various wirings that I've noodled around with ...

where is the ground wire coming from the bridge? p90-ing my sg today 50's style

[sgmike]

Originally Posted by sgmike

where is the ground wire coming from the bridge? p90-ing my sg today 50's style

to elaborate - the schematic im following tells me to run the bridge ground wire to the pot for the bridge tone. but the wire would run much neater to the neck vol pot. does it make a difference? TIA and keep on rockin in the free world

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by sgmike

to elaborate - the schematic im following tells me to run the bridge ground wire to the pot for the bridge tone. but the wire would run much neater to the neck vol pot. does it make a difference? TIA and keep on rockin in the free world

Originally Posted by sgmike

where is the ground wire coming from the bridge? p90-ing my sg today 50's style

Normally in Gibson guitars the ground wire from the tail piece stud solders to the back of the neck volume pot because it's closest to where the wire comes into the control cavity. As long as it's grounded to the back of one of the pots it really doesn't matter what pot it's grounded to.

[sgmike]

thanks jonesy - now i can see it on the wiring that was in there. grd wire went to neck vol pot, jumped to bridge vol pot, jumped to bridge tone pot, jumped to neck tone pot. allright everything is here except the tone caps

[jonesy]

Your welcome Mike, yeah it all grounds to the jack anyway you wire it.

[drew365]

I have a question concerning the features on the new 2012 Standard and transferring them to an older LP.
The Fat Tap coil split feature. Can this be done on a guitar with four wire pickups, or do the pickups themselves need to be specially wound?
Could all of the wiring features on a '12 Standard, (fat tap, OOP, etc.) be done on a different LP?
I'm just looking for ideas that I can dream and scheme with. Thanks!

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by drew365

I have a question concerning the features on the new 2012 Standard and transferring them to an older LP.
The Fat Tap coil split feature. Can this be done on a guitar with four wire pickups, or do the pickups themselves need to be specially wound?
Could all of the wiring features on a '12 Standard, (fat tap, OOP, etc.) be done on a different LP?
I'm just looking for ideas that I can dream and scheme with. Thanks!

If the LP pup has four wires coming out, you can. But if it is sealed in wax with only 2 wires coming out, then probably not. I tried to melt the solder on the covers on my stock Epi LP pups and my iron was not hot enough to melt it. I don't know what I would have seen if I had been able to get the covers off. I read somwehre they are dipped in wax so if that's true, they would have to be melted somehow to get the wax off, too. If I could have gotten to the wires, I might have been able to clip the wire between the pups, extended the wires, and then have the four wires coming out.

[drew365]

So, concerning the Fat Tap, everyone says the new '12 Standard coil split sounds fuller, with no volume drop compared to say a Trad Pro coil split. So that is achieved in the wiring, and the pickups are wound the same? Meaning someone with a Trad Pro could rewire theirs to get the Fat Tap sound?

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by drew365

So, concerning the Fat Tap, everyone says the new '12 Standard coil split sounds fuller, with no volume drop compared to say a Trad Pro coil split. So that is achieved in the wiring, and the pickups are wound the same? Meaning someone with a Trad Pro could rewire theirs to get the Fat Tap sound?

Probably not. The wiring is pretty standard. The differences is more than likely in the pups if I understand what you are saying. I would have to hear them side by side as anyone would to hear the difference.

[Borek]

Hi.
I rewired my 2008 LP Traditional. Can You check it's everything all right? Caps are stock, but in future i would like to put CS 500K pots. Im not sure that is all right. Thanks for help

[jonesy]

I made this video on how to wire up a Switchcraft output jack using the vintage braided Gibson style wire. Thought it might helpful to some of you that are doing your own guitar wiring.

How to Solder up a Switchcraft #11 Output Jack with Vintage Braided Wire by jonesy - YouTube

How to Solder up a Switchcraft #11 Output Jack with Vintage Braided Wire by jonesy - YouTube

[jonesy]

Here is another video I made for those of you that are doing your own guitar wiring. It shows you the differences between the layout of the hot and ground lugs on a Switchcraft 3 way toggle switch and Import style toggle switch.

Switchcraft & Import 3 Way Toggle Switch Basics by jonesy - YouTube

Switchcraft & Import 3 Way Toggle Switch Basics by jonesy - YouTube

[gtrgriff3]

I'm new, and not the best with a soldering iron though I can get by when I have to...

I just bought a new Classic and I need to modify the wiring a little to match my older one. Unfortunately, I didn't do the other one and looking at it for comparison is useless as they don't resemble each other even a little bit inside.

Right now it is totally stock and looks exactly like the "modern wiring" diagrams I saw on the first page of this thread.

I want:
* what is now the bridge volume to be a master volume
* what is now the bridge tone to still be tone only for the bridge pickup
* what is now the neck volume will be the bridge volume (pre-master)
* what is now the neck tone will be the neck volume (pre-master)

I realize this leaves me with no neck tone control but I never use it so I don't miss it.

I looked through the first 10-15 pages but didn't see exactly what i was looking for and I'm not good enough with this to make adjustments based on what I see. Any chance someone could post a diagram that would work for this?

Thanks so much for your time. Looking around this is a really great forum...

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by gtrgriff3

I'm new, and not the best with a soldering iron though I can get by when I have to...

I just bought a new Classic and I need to modify the wiring a little to match my older one. Unfortunately, I didn't do the other one and looking at it for comparison is useless as they don't resemble each other even a little bit inside.

Right now it is totally stock and looks exactly like the "modern wiring" diagrams I saw on the first page of this thread.

I want:
* what is now the bridge volume to be a master volume
* what is now the bridge tone to still be tone only for the bridge pickup
* what is now the neck volume will be the bridge volume (pre-master)
* what is now the neck tone will be the neck volume (pre-master)

I realize this leaves me with no neck tone control but I never use it so I don't miss it.

I looked through the first 10-15 pages but didn't see exactly what i was looking for and I'm not good enough with this to make adjustments based on what I see. Any chance someone could post a diagram that would work for this?

Thanks so much for your time. Looking around this is a really great forum...

Is the guitar an Epi or Gibson? Is it coil tapped? Humbuckers or P-90s?

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by gtrgriff3

I'm new, and not the best with a soldering iron though I can get by when I have to...

I just bought a new Classic and I need to modify the wiring a little to match my older one. Unfortunately, I didn't do the other one and looking at it for comparison is useless as they don't resemble each other even a little bit inside.

Right now it is totally stock and looks exactly like the "modern wiring" diagrams I saw on the first page of this thread.

I want:
* what is now the bridge volume to be a master volume
* what is now the bridge tone to still be tone only for the bridge pickup
* what is now the neck volume will be the bridge volume (pre-master)
* what is now the neck tone will be the neck volume (pre-master)

I realize this leaves me with no neck tone control but I never use it so I don't miss it.

I looked through the first 10-15 pages but didn't see exactly what i was looking for and I'm not good enough with this to make adjustments based on what I see. Any chance someone could post a diagram that would work for this?

Thanks so much for your time. Looking around this is a really great forum...

This is from an Epi and it should be the same for a Gibby, just different colors. This will work as far as wiring but I am not sure if you will need a different size pot for the master or not (a 250K?).

[jonesy]

Thought this might be a handy reference chart for 4 conductor pickup color codes.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Stage Fright

This is from an Epi and it should be the same for a Gibby, just different colors. This will work as far as wiring but I am not sure if you will need a different size pot for the master or not (a 250K?).

I think you are going to need to ground that - output jack lug to the back of the pots vs just grounding it to the frame of the switch

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I think you are going to need to ground that - output jack lug to the back of the pots vs just grounding it to the frame of the switch

I think you are correct. I can't remember if the stock Epi was grounded that way or not though. I was basing the drawing off of the Epi wiring.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Stage Fright

I think you are correct. I can't remember if the stock Epi was grounded that way or not though. I was basing the drawing off of the Epi wiring.

The ground from the frame of the switch is a "mechanical" ground much like the ground from your tailpiece studs, it is not a "signal" ground like what comes from the pickups and pots.

[Stage Fright]

Originally Posted by jonesy

The ground from the frame of the switch is a "mechanical" ground much like the ground from your tailpiece studs, it is not a "signal" ground like what comes from the pickups and pots.

Thanks. I might have missed a wire when I was drawing the stock wiring configuration. Hopefully I have a picture of it since it's all been changed now.