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Unread 12-20-2008, 04:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Peter Green Tone

How do I get a Peter Green-like tone?

He has one of the best tones I've heard. I'm sure the tone I want is his Les Paul. I don't think it's the out-of-phase tone either. My reference tones would be The Supernatural and Black Magic Woman.

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Re: Peter Green Tone

well a lot actually REALLY is about the out of phase wiring
just gives the thing a real higher pitched sound, compared to the "normal" ´59 lp sound.

but you´re right there´s something else:
peter would often play with his amps volume all the way up and his guitars volume knob actually turned down pretty low-try it , it´s a real different sound experience all together-that combined with his lps special wiring.........

eric clapton does that too sometimes
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well a lot actually REALLY is about the out of phase wiring
just gives the thing a real higher pitched sound, compared to the "normal" ´59 lp sound.

but you´re right there´s something else:
peter would often play with his amps volume all the way up and his guitars volume knob actually turned down pretty low-try it , it´s a real different sound experience all together-that combined with his lps special wiring.........

eric clapton does that too sometimes
amp volume up and guitar volume down, eh?

sounds like an idea i could try. this sounds similar to what BB King does too. he sets his amps loud and rolls his volume back to around 7. As far as EC is concerned, i did not know that. I though he rolled the TONE back down, not the volume.
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Re: Peter Green Tone

yep ec rolls the tone down too
but when you eg listen to what he plays on the 70th birthday concert for john mayall:
he does just that(i mean the "trick" with vol knob turned down).

clapton loves to play with his guitars volume knob turned way down low-
he even writes that in the foreword of the strat chronicles book
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Re: Peter Green Tone

and as for what ya mentioned with bb
tha was one of the purposes for the out of phase sunds
to get the 59 lp to sound a least a tad like bb lucille, which is a gibson es 345, that has a special vari-tone switch that produces various stages of phased out/almost single coil like sounds.
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and as for what ya mentioned with bb
tha was one of the purposes for the out of phase sunds
to get the 59 lp to sound a least a tad like bb lucille, which is a gibson es 345, that has a special vari-tone switch that produces various stages of phased out/almost single coil like sounds.

this has been very helpful!

so basically, the Peter Green tone is a Les Paul that sounds like it has single coils?

the out of phase part is like one of the in-between settings on a strat while the lowered volume simulates the lower power of a single coil.

great stuff. the out of phase setting on his guitar is like the varitone switch. gotcha.
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Re: Peter Green Tone

well you gotta keep in mind that a varitone equipped guitar still sounds a lot different to an lp with the out of phase mod or a strat of course. but you get the basic idea.

the lowered volume basically does not have anything to do with a single coilish sound but is just something that greeny liked to do; obviously for special sound reasons.
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Re: Peter Green Tone

the out of phase tone is hard to describe its not REALLY single coil like
anyone who ever played a good strat will know the difference.
that bell like ringing tones you just cant get with any other guitar than a strat!

peter was most definitely after a bb tone and man that legenadry guitar of his comes quite close to that sound.

i dunno whether greenys out of phase thing was done accidentaly due to adventurous guitar
mechani(a)cs/repair in the hallucinogetic Sixties or whether it was done on purpose
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the out of phase tone is hard to describe its not REALLY single coil like
anyone who ever played a good strat will know the difference.
that bell like ringing tones you just cant get with any other guitar than a strat!

peter was most definitely after a bb tone and man that legenadry guitar of his comes quite close to that sound.

i dunno whether greenys out of phase thing was done accidentaly due to adventurous guitar
mechani(a)cs/repair in the hallucinogetic Sixties or whether it was done on purpose
we're both hung up on the green tone. well, no matter how it's done. his tone came from within. the phrasing helps a lot too. i just like that incredibly full, meaty, yet bright tone. it was clear and articulate but had the balls to back it up. a perfect balance between humbuckers and single coils. you know what i mean?
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Re: Peter Green Tone

greeny's tone came from his neck Pup which was reverse wound by a young fender tech.
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Re: Peter Green Tone

IMHO nobody can sound exactly like Peter. Too unique... me? I keep coming back to his recordings for inspiration.
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IMHO nobody can sound exactly like Peter. Too unique... me? I keep coming back to his recordings for inspiration.
agreed.

but for conversation's sake, wouldn't it be a nice tone carrot to chase?
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in that case... yes!!
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Re: Peter Green Tone

you really do sound Scandinavian in that vid, thanks for sharing the vid with us. Scandospanish

I love the nugget pick ups they are really great
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Re: Peter Green Tone

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we're both hung up on the green tone. well, no matter how it's done. his tone came from within. the phrasing helps a lot too. i just like that incredibly full, meaty, yet bright tone. it was clear and articulate but had the balls to back it up. a perfect balance between humbuckers and single coils. you know what i mean?
any attempt on "copying" or reproducing some other guys tone will always be a compromise-thats the way i see it!
sure, you can get pretty close but as you mentioned there are so many small things and charcterictics of any given palyer that make the hugest difference.
however for example when you hook your standard les paul up to a fender combo like a super reverb or (my favourite) the vibroverb and select the middle position of your guitar so both your neck and your bridge humbucker are on and then fiddle a bit with your vol and tone knobs you actually get pretty close to greenys tone
at least you are most definitely in the ballpark to convincingly cover some of his tunes-if you got the chops
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Re: Peter Green Tone

and with the above mentioned method you dont even encessarily need an out of phase mod!
at least thats how i do it-
plus with that kind of setup you are already in freddy king and bb king sound territory which ain´t a bad place to be

so alright that was yodas lesson for today, my young student
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Re: Peter Green Tone

many thanks, master.

bb and freddie territory? oooohhh that sounds delicious, my friend. utterly delicious.

i'm surprised no one has chimed in by saying "buy this pedal or buy that pickup"

THANKS AGAIN!
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Re: Peter Green Tone

I tried this "low-volume-on-guitar-high-volume-on-amp" setup last night. What a delightful surprise that was. With the tone knob turned about midway, I got some nice "squawk"-like sounds; no Greenesque out-of-phase tone, but it was different. Turn the turn knob all the way down, and I got some tasty mellow tones.

What a fun, new idea. Thanks for this.
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you really do sound Scandinavian in that vid, thanks for sharing the vid with us. Scandospanish
LOL!!!! you crack me up!!!
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Re: Peter Green Tone

If I gave you PG's LP and his 69 Orange (matamp) Amps you still wouldnt be able to get 'the tone'. There was a band supporting FM in the late 60's and the guitarist had damaged his equipment, Peter just told him to use his stuff - the guys was in shock he'd finally sound like the great PG. You know what by his own admission he sounded absolutely dreadful, worst sound he'd ever produced...

Peter picked up the guitar, plugged it into the same amp and sounded like Peter - you can spend millions on guitars pups and vintage amps but unless you have 'the touch' you'll not get the sound
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I tried this "low-volume-on-guitar-high-volume-on-amp" setup last night. What a delightful surprise that was. With the tone knob turned about midway, I got some nice "squawk"-like sounds; no Greenesque out-of-phase tone, but it was different. Turn the turn knob all the way down, and I got some tasty mellow tones.

What a fun, new idea. Thanks for this.


this is the beauty of sharing knowledge. people are able to try new things and discover different ways to do the old.

it makes me feel good about starting the thread.
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Re: Peter Green Tone

Gary Moore never sounded anything like Greeny, to my ears at least. He got a whole range of beautiful new tones with that guitar, but none like Greeny. BTW just bought the 3 cd set of Live at the Boston Tea Party. My God, what tone, what phrasing! And Kirwan is amazing as well. It's really sad how much hardship that band went through and those guys each individually. Danny Kirwan was living in a homeless shelter, and I'm not sure if he still is.

I've heard a set of Bare Knuckle PG Blues and they really get a wonderful OPP sound. For me, even if you're not trying to copy his tone, that setup allows for a lot of great tonal variations unavailable otherwise...
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greeny's tone came from his neck Pup which was reverse wound by a young fender tech.


...i don't think thats the way it happend....
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Gary Moore never sounded anything like Greeny, to my ears at least. He got a whole range of beautiful new tones with that guitar, but none like Greeny. BTW just bought the 3 cd set of Live at the Boston Tea Party. My God, what tone, what phrasing! And Kirwan is amazing as well. It's really sad how much hardship that band went through and those guys each individually. Danny Kirwan was living in a homeless shelter, and I'm not sure if he still is.
I've heard a set of Bare Knuckle PG Blues and they really get a wonderful OPP sound. For me, even if you're not trying to copy his tone, that setup allows for a lot of great tonal variations unavailable otherwise...
not in a homeless shelter anymore but still in care, lives close to his ex wife near(ish) london
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dalandan and spinwheelz :well im really happy that i could help you guys out
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Re: Peter Green Tone

Peter Green had taken apart his neck pickup on the 59' because he was having troubles with it. When he re-assembled it 6 of the pole pieces got put back in upside down causing the polarity to be reversed in the magnetic field. You can do the out of phase wiring but it is not the same. On the video of "Need your love so bad" with Fleetwood Mac he is using bridge pu of his Strat for the solo
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And heres me thinkin all he did was spin the neck pickup around.........
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Re: Peter Green Tone

we should post samples of our "green-like" attempts at tone.

it could be either a youtube video or a any sound sample that we can attach the link to here.

with the sample we can indicate the ff:
1. guitar settings (pickup used, volume, tone)
2. pedal settings (what pedal, etc.)
3. amp settings

It might be interesting to see how we interpret the green tone individually and see where we hit common ground.
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Peter Green had taken apart his neck pickup on the 59' because he was having troubles with it. When he re-assembled it 6 of the pole pieces got put back in upside down causing the polarity to be reversed in the magnetic field. You can do the out of phase wiring but it is not the same. On the video of "Need your love so bad" with Fleetwood Mac he is using bridge pu of his Strat for the solo
That's not actually possible with a Gibson humbucker. The poles, whether screws or slugs are not magnets. They share a a common bar magnet.
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