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Unread 03-17-2012, 07:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

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I have a stock floydrose equipped Jackson RR3 with a pair of Seymour duncan JB/jazz pickups.
Its plays great but the tone is extremely muddy with no clarity at all. Ive changed the strings on it and raised the pickups and the polepieces but nothing helps.

Can anyone help me?

EDIT: All my other guitars sounds fantastic with the same settings on my amp.
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Unread 03-17-2012, 08:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

i think to cure mud, you lower your pickups, and also it could just mean you have to re eq your amp, theres a big chance that this guitar just simply sounds a lot different to your other guitars
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

Ok thanks ill try to lower the pups and see if it helps
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

hope it works
i have a jb in my schecter hellraiser (i think its specs shouldnt be far off from the jackson) and tbh i find it too bright and sharp going through my jcm 900 (but then again, that tends to be 900's problem when it gets turned up loud)

and another thing, maybe try turning your gain down a touch. that usually cures my mud issues
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

I run it through a marshall vm 2266 with the gain at 4 o clock but the mud might come from the stock tremolo block but its weird that the pups are muddy cuz I was worried that they would produce some icepick treble but they were muddy insted
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

I tried to lower my pups but unfortunately the mud didnt go away.

Its weird that the guitar is so muddy cuz it has an alder body with a maple veneer and a bolt on maple neck with a rosewood fingerboard so the guitar should be quite trebly but for some reason it isnt
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

Those Vintage Modern amps are very responsive and in my experience sound quite a bit different depending on the guitar. You're probably going to have to change some settings or maybe your RR3 with the JB just doesn't gel with it?

And you say the Jackson is completely stock and nothing has ever been replaced on it?
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Those Vintage Modern amps are very responsive and in my experience sound quite a bit different depending on the guitar. You're probably going to have to change some settings or maybe your RR3 with the JB just doesn't gel with it?

And you say the Jackson is completely stock and nothing has ever been replaced on it?
Yeah the vm is really responsive and different sounding (in a good way) but it sounds so good with all the other guitars that I own so I think that its the guitars "fault".
Im the second owner of the guitar but as far as I can tell its completely stock and considering the shape of the guitar when I first tried it (Extremely dusty and insanely dirty fretboard) the owner probably didnt do anything to the guitar. I think that the problem might have something to do with the trem-block or the magnets in the pickups.
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Yeah the vm is really responsive and different sounding (in a good way) but it sounds so good with all the other guitars that I own so I think that its the guitars "fault".
Im the second owner of the guitar but as far as I can tell its completely stock and considering the shape of the guitar when I first tried it (Extremely dusty and insanely dirty fretboard) the owner probably didnt do anything to the guitar. I think that the problem might have something to do with the trem-block or the magnets in the pickups.
Have you played that guitar through any other amps? I suppose pickups aren't all created equal but that's probably not it unless there's a different pickup in there than you thought.

Just out of curiosity, pull the control plate off the back and expose the wiring and make a note of how it's set up. Does the path from the switch go to the volume pot first like in this pic?

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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

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Its weird that the guitar is so muddy cuz it has an alder body with a maple veneer and a bolt on maple neck with a rosewood fingerboard so the guitar should be quite trebly but for some reason it isnt
Myths, every one of them. At least now you know.

Did you change your amp EQ? My R8's muddy if I leave the amp set for my Tele.
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Myths, every one of them. At least now you know.

Did you change your amp EQ? My R8's muddy if I leave the amp set for my Tele.
Yeah I changed the eq totally and then I set the amp to the initial settings but it still sounds like shit and my other guitars sounds like singing angels :/

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Have you played that guitar through any other amps? I suppose pickups aren't all created equal but that's probably not it unless there's a different pickup in there than you thought.

Just out of curiosity, pull the control plate off the back and expose the wiring and make a note of how it's set up. Does the path from the switch go to the volume pot first like in this pic?
Yeah I played it through a fender frontman amp and it didnt exactly sound good but I figured that it should sound better through my marshall

I checked the controll plate and it looked exactly like the diagram but I discovered 2 cold solder joints () so that might be the cause of the problem. Ill also try to contact floyd upgrades to see if they have a trem-block that will remove the "mud"
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

How did you find cold solder joints and did you resolder them yet?

I don't think blocking the trem will give your tone more clarity but it's worth a shot since it's cheap to do. One of these is only $20 and takes about 5 minutes with a screwdriver to install.

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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

How would blocking the trem help clarity at all?
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How did you find cold solder joints and did you resolder them yet?

I don't think blocking the trem will give your tone more clarity but it's worth a shot since it's cheap to do. One of these is only $20 and takes about 5 minutes with a screwdriver to install.
The pots are placed on the pickguard and I havent soldered anything yet cuz I dont have a soldering iron

I dont want to block the trem, I just want to change the tremolo block (The block where you attach the springs)
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How would blocking the trem help clarity at all?
I wont block the trem.
I want to replace the tremolo block
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

I would change the pots and caps first.Quality electronics will make a huge difference.
Getting rid of the mud is what you are trying to do and quality electronics should fix that issue.
Martin Six String or Jonsey kits should work fine.Contact them and tell them what you want.
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I would change the pots and caps first.Quality electronics will make a huge difference.
Getting rid of the mud is what you are trying to do and quality electronics should fix that issue.
Martin Six String or Jonsey kits should work fine.Contact them and tell them what you want.
Sounds legit

Thanks Ill contact them and see what they can do for me
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

well i see you have a mxr 10 band in your list of goodies, why dont you have a few tweeks with that and cut out the mud freq there
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well i see you have a mxr 10 band in your list of goodies, why dont you have a few tweeks with that and cut out the mud freq there
Yeah thats a good idea but unfortunately it stopped to work so I had to hand it in for some repair work.
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

I have this same guitar with same pup setup. It's muddy on every amp I've played it through. Very frustrating. There is a good video on you tube of Keith Merrow demoing Seymour Duncan pups that I've been checking out. The jb/jazz in the rr3 are mud central.
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I would change the pots and caps first.Quality electronics will make a huge difference.
Getting rid of the mud is what you are trying to do and quality electronics should fix that issue.
Martin Six String or Jonsey kits should work fine.Contact them and tell them what you want.

Yes. Upgrade the pots, caps and wiring before you start spending money on trem blocks or any other parts.
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Re: Muddy tone on Jackson RR3

The JB is pretty much a love it or hate it pickup.

Mod it with an Alnico 8 magnet, and it will strictly be a "Love it" pickup. Trust me.
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