Gibson can be a bit naughty sometimes...tut-tut

[BOBBO]

I use the repro Bumbleee's by LUXE !! They start with NOS russian military paper in oil caps ! sealed in glass and metal then cover them with a Bumblebee jacket ! .. Great sounding REAL paper in oil caps !!

I too am a LP lover, I hate what Gibson the company is doing, period!!! I dont have a Paul due to the expense and wont ever own one past a 2005 due to the weight relief thing they started doing, dont like the new tone of the relieved ones....

I do own strats, teles and a LP Jr and a PRS SE model and to be real honest, the PRS even being a SE is the best playing one I own, frets are finished and very smooth, a semi fat neck and sort of flat on the back, plays like butter, all mahogany, swap the Pickups out and it's a great player. My buddy who has LP's, Sg's, V's, Firebirds etc... plays my PRS se every night of a weekend gig when I go visit him.....Dont get me wrong, i'd walk over glass almost to own another LP but it will have to be an older one... I think Gibson is heading down a bad path and getting a little too greedy for their own good......

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by BOBBO

I use the repro Bumbleee's by LUXE !! They start with NOS russian military paper in oil caps ! sealed in glass and metal then cover them with a Bumblebee jacket ! .. Great sounding REAL paper in oil caps !!

I'm happy with the sound I get with my '07 R( and the fake Bumble bees, but am intrigued by all this cap talk. Should I try these Luxe ones? They look the part.

It seems like a simple mod that can be undone an perhaps I WILL hear what I'm missing, or then again no, I wont

What's the easiest best place to get some? I did The Google and came up with Acme Guitar parts in the US............

CAPS - GIBSON REPRO @ Acme Guitar Works

[BOBBO]

I think real paper in oil caps add to the tone of a LP !! and it's ez to do and undo !!

[Led Zep Fan]

I sold my BB reissues from my R8 on ebay for $75! I advertised them as being from an 03 58 Ri so the buyer knew exactly what they were. It paid for my whole RS kit!

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by Led Zep Fan

I sold my BB reissues from my R8 on ebay for $75! I advertised them as being from an 03 58 Ri so the buyer knew exactly what they were. It paid for my whole RS kit!

What is this RS kit of which I hear whispered about here?

[Tone Seeker]

RS Guitarworks sells upgrade kits that bundle new pots (volume, tone), capacitors, wiring diagram and wire (I believe). You can learn more here:

- RS Guitarworks Online Store

Terry.

[Harpozep]

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker

RS Guitarworks sells upgrade kits that bundle new pots (volume, tone), capacitors, wiring diagram and wire (I believe). You can learn more here:

- RS Guitarworks Online Store

Terry.

Thanks!

[BOBBO]

I'm not a big fan of RS's stuff !! I changed my pots to 500k audio taper Centralabs and did the caps myself !!


Acme Luxe Caps @ Acme Guitar Works


Acme Luxe Caps @ Acme Guitar Works

[Tone Seeker]

I found the RS Superpot to be too gradual for my volume swells. It was also stiff, but that decreases with time. However, I also understand that it's changed since I picked up my kit.

Terry.

[Anchorman]

Originally Posted by Harpozep

I'm happy with the sound I get with my '07 R( and the fake Bumble bees, but am intrigued by all this cap talk. Should I try these Luxe ones? They look the part.

It seems like a simple mod that can be undone an perhaps I WILL hear what I'm missing, or then again no, I wont

What's the easiest best place to get some? I did The Google and came up with Acme Guitar parts in the US............

CAPS - GIBSON REPRO @ Acme Guitar Works

Fake58

[El Toro]

Like I've always said... buy a Max!

[Paul]

long gorn are the days where there are good honest hard working people where you get exactly what you pay for.

a multi million dollar corporation that ownes many other brands rakeing in tonnes of cash constantly and they cant even be bothered to put on the right caps.

[Gavin Morse]

AVH bullshit.

[Wooderson]

Madialex put it well. I love Gibson guitars but the company makes me feel like an abuse victim who keeps coming back for more. At least I have reached the point with Fenders where I build my own.

Then again, I cannot stand PRS, the way they look, they way they play, the way they sound, everything about them is so annoying and modern. You are welcome to play them if you like them.

[Mr. Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by BOBBO

I use the repro Bumbleee's by LUXE !! They start with NOS russian military paper in oil caps ! sealed in glass and metal then cover them with a Bumblebee jacket ! .. Great sounding REAL paper in oil caps !!

So you are bassically paying a super jacked up price for Russian PIO caps, dressed up to like bees that come in nice packaging?

When you can get the same thing cheaper but they just don't look like bees but are internally the same exact thing.

Like these?



Ok.
I guess I really could care less what the caps look like in the closed off to the world control cavity.

Whatever floats your boat.

[b-squared]

This what I put in my R9...and I'm digging it immensely.

RS Guitarworks Online Store

BB

[BCRGreg]

I use cheap as hell little bug caps that I get from a friend out of the guitar industry and they sound KILLER.

The VAST majority of guitars that cross my bench have the tone controls nearly frozen from lack of use, and seeing fistfights appear on some forums about the tone differences makes me chuckle a bit.

You mileage may vary.

[Roman Rist]

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

I use cheap as hell little bug caps that I get from a friend out of the guitar industry and they sound KILLER.

The VAST majority of guitars that cross my bench have the tone controls nearly frozen from lack of use, and seeing fistfights appear on some forums about the tone differences makes me chuckle a bit.

You mileage may vary.

Word brother!

If someone really wants some tone, wire the Vol up straight and completely bypass the caps and tone controls.

[b-squared]

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

I use cheap as hell little bug caps that I get from a friend out of the guitar industry and they sound KILLER.

The VAST majority of guitars that cross my bench have the tone controls nearly frozen from lack of use, and seeing fistfights appear on some forums about the tone differences makes me chuckle a bit.

You mileage may vary.

I hear ya. Until last year I was one of those guys, I'm sure. I left my tone and volume on 10 all the time, and used effects and a volume pedal for everything.

Since I've joined this forum and also another great Vintage Amp forum I'm a new player. Since upgrading electronics, getting tube amps (only had tube amps for 3 years!) I'm learning to tweak my guitars controls to get the sound I want.



BB

[5F6-A]

bumping for people

[Sky]

Sad...

[The_Sentry]

You know, if people didn't take those caps so damned seriously....this would actually be a pretty hilarious thread.

I wonder how many people thought they were getting "that sound" with those caps?

[if6was9]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzzy

So you are bassically paying a super jacked up price for Russian PIO caps, dressed up to like bees that come in nice packaging?

When you can get the same thing cheaper but they just don't look like bees but are internally the same exact thing.

Like these?



Ok.
I guess I really could care less what the caps look like in the closed off to the world control cavity.

Whatever floats your boat.

I purchased these same PIO caps on ebay a few months ago. (2) .022 and (2) .015 for $5.00 each and $2.50 shipping. I did not know at the time that they maybe the same caps as the reproduction BumbleBee's minus the fancy cover and fancy price. These caps sound great compared to the stock caps that they replaced in my 'Paul' and SG copy.

[bryvincent]

i don't think Gibson is at fault at all. there were two kinds of Bumblebee caps used on bursts. the earlier style paper-in-oil and the later-style mylar caps. the current Gibson Bumblebee is the later style; it may not be exactly the same but its the same polyester film style of cap. AFAIK, Gibson didn't claim its BB to be PIO just a Bumblebee cap which could be either type. i don't think Gibson's Bees are fake, its just the other type.

check this out:
1950's Gibson Electricals

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[The lorax]

Don't like your caps? That's what Jonsey is for.

[diceman]

Damn - I must have missed this oldie but goodie...

HolyGrail / Hal used to be my Tone Vendor. Jonesy is the man around here, now.

I don't use my tone knobs all that often - but when I do, I prefer the tone from PIOs. I yanked the caps out of my R8 the day I got it.

[jason_mazzy]

I love threads like this. A man new to the ways of LP can gain so much valuable information, and really make sure he does his guitars right.

[Sinster]

Like I said before and a few others as well. I can guarantee that 98% of you can't tell if a guitar has POI caps installed by listening to it (the same for PUPs)... The only way you are going know about POI is to peak into the cavity.

[Splattle101]

Originally Posted by Roman Rist

Word brother!

If someone really wants some tone, wire the Vol up straight and completely bypass the caps and tone controls.

Yeah, that's true if you only want as much variation as you can get between your left and right hands. Like if you're recording and you can dial the guitar, amp and effects do what you want for this particular thing you're doing now. Chances are that's not a sound you'll use on stage, though. Except for the metal player who uses so much gain it doesn't much matter where they've got the tone control or anything else other than the vol.

For the working player a bit of variation in voicing is a necessity. Unless you're Billy G and you have a different guitar for every second song, in which case you may as well do what you're suggesting.