Jimmy page grounding question.

[beginnerguitargod]

Is this how you would ground a Jimmy page harness?
(requesting Jonesy )



Just incase you missed it, the part I'm asking about is the red.

[Mookakian]

Close, blue is your ground

Jimmy_Page_SD 50_s_style_wiring.jpg

[beginnerguitargod]

Thanks, What exactly is the reason it won't work the other way? Unless its to hard to explain.

[Torren61]

It'll work but yours is redundant. It'll work but yours is redundant.

[Mookakian]

It would work but the 2 ground wires from the switch are not needed and easier to work on without it. Less clutter. Also this pic is wired modern, 50's you wire the caps as follows. There is alot of ways to wire this JP rig but the SD diagrams are a good starting point.
Jimmy_Page_50_s_style_wiring.jpg

[beginnerguitargod]

Originally Posted by Mookakian

It would work but the 2 ground wires from the switch are not needed and easier to work on without it. Less clutter. Also this pic is wired modern, 50's you wire the caps as follows. There is alot of ways to wire this JP rig but the SD diagrams are a good starting point.
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Mind reader! I just thought of trying to find out if you can do that before I read this! Thanks.

[Raz59]

Originally Posted by Mookakian

It would work but the 2 ground wires from the switch are not needed and easier to work on without it. Less clutter. Also this pic is wired modern, 50's you wire the caps as follows. There is alot of ways to wire this JP rig but the SD diagrams are a good starting point.
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Hey Mookster, forget the diagram you attached...People don't like independent volume controls and to make the SD diagram more efficiently, the controls had to be wired that way.

Steve Ahola's revised version of the Schecter Superock harness has traditional ("dependant" or "coupled") volume controls and the series switch just works better than the stuff that the people at SD or even Gibson managed to draw up...so use this instead:

[Mookakian]

Interesting, though i like independent volume control. Can i ask a Q?

When series is switched on in this diagram i noticed you cant control the output of each pickup limiting the amount of tonal options available, so if i were to try add some fatness and lessen the series effect by rolling back the bridge pup, both pups would be rolled down and id have the same tone at a lower volume?

Is this about right or am i totally off track.

edit. forget that... silly question
Im going to wire this one up today and see how she goes

OP. Ill keep you posted on my experience with Raz's diagram. I like the idea of both pups activated in series no matter where the switch is set. Ill get on it now

[Raz59]

You like 'em independent? I keep reading that the tone goes 'dull' if one volume goes below five & stuff and it gets blamed on independent controls.

With these diagrams, series mode uses only one set of controls as Master Volume/Tone.
If these Master controls are the bridge ones, then yes, if you roll back the bridge volume, you'll be reducing the output of both pickups.

But wait, why the hell would want to add fatness to this mode? It's already the fattest, loudest mode! If you want to reduce brightness, roll the tone down.

[Mookakian]

To reduce that harsh sound in the bridge a but keeping enough to add some treble attack. But forget that, silly statement, im thinking of phasing.

Some interesting setups you have posted in the picture link above

[Raz59]

Originally Posted by Mookakian

To reduce that harsh sound in the bridge a but keeping enough to add some treble attack. But forget that, silly statement, im thinking of phasing.

Some interesting setups you have posted in the picture link above

Are you sure the tone knob can't do that? For what you seem to want, you'd need individual controls to be able to control the level of phasing. And that is possible, but you'd have to go modern and add treble bleeds to avoid setbacks.
For future reference, look into the Twenty-Dual mix.

About the picture I posted: all credit goes to Steve Ahola for bringing back that wiring and revising it. Can you believe that this rig was created back in the 70's?

Mook, if you have experience with JP rigs, this won't do anything new or interesting except the bypassing of the 3-way when in series mode...same 21 sounds as ever. I can post something similar, but with 22 sounds if that's of any interest.

[Mookakian]

Im thinking of blending the tonal qualities of the N & B pup, when i play in the regular middle position i always seem to like the neck pickup to have a little more volume, with Jonesys 21 tone JP settup this works fine in or out of phase and its wired 50's, i seriously recommend you buy one just for the doors it opens when you see what he has done, cheeky bugger Not to mention its been the best sounding JP rig ive come across, so far
I had my eyes on the dual rig

Sorry to the OP for the hijacking, as i said, alot of options on the JP rig,

Have a look in here for some good info on your wiring
Wiring Library

[beginnerguitargod]

So I completed the 50's mod today. Twice.

Once on some spare pot's I had laying around, and on my stock epiphone harness.

I did it twice because I thought I burnt out the pots by overheating, I'm not sure wat it was, but it didn't work in the guitar, but when i took it out and plugged it into my test board it worked. I'll upload a pic of my testing board.

[beginnerguitargod]

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[beginnerguitargod]

The way its set up, the pickups stay on the board, and are wired underneath it to a connector, that you can then plug the harness into. It's one of the old school "push it and insert speaker things" came off an old destroyed radio. pretty neat little thing. allows you to test it without putting the pickups on the harness yet.

[Mookakian]

I cant see what you have done there, its a blurr. But if you think you burnt the pots prob not good to test with them.

Go for the diagram raz posted, if you dont like it come back and let us know why and we can try steer you in the right direction.
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Chances are you will like it, but these kits can be intimidating to use... takes me a few weeks of pushing/pulling knobs to evaluate the outcome of the JP rigs.

[beginnerguitargod]

It's basically just a thin piece of plywood, with old cheap pickups hooked directly to it, and I test my wiring harnesses on it. Not pickups, sorry if I was confusing.

If I make a wiring harness, I can just hook it up to this, and tap the pickups to make sure it works before installing it.

I've messed up a few times and had to take it out of the guitar and fix it.
Decided taking all the screws out and putting them back in was just to annoying.

[beginnerguitargod]

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Anything without a red box around it stay on the board. The parts with the red box around them are removable, so you can test different harnesses quickly. On this one its set up for single conducter pickups, I am also going to make one for 4 conductor pickups so I can test the jimmy page rig.

[beginnerguitargod]

the thing the pickups are connected to with the red and black blocks are small spring loaded clamps, that you just plug the leads from the pots into.

[beginnerguitargod]

and just plug it into an amp, and tap the pickups to test if it works. If it does, take it off the board and put it in the guitar.

[Mookakian]

Woa, now im really confused. The blurr i were referring to is i cant see what wires are going where...

Have you hooked it up like in one of the diagrams posted above or are you still testing 50's style with regular pots(no JP rig)?

[beginnerguitargod]

It's shown with just a 50's wiring. I haven't ordered parts for the JP rig yet. I will sometime this week though.

What sizes of shrink tubing should i get?

[beginnerguitargod]

I'm ordering my Push/pull pots from smallbearelec.com Theyre less than 3$ apiece. probably not very good quality though.

[beginnerguitargod]

and a switchcraft jack from them. Theyre pretty cheap too.

[Mookakian]

Contact jonesy/hillbilly or lukemcauly here at MLP for parts, they will sort you out. Id recommend you grab a regular kit from one of them. Maybe do a JP rig later but i dont think you will need one right now to be honest.

If you really want to give it a try, the guys posted above will help you out there too

[code46]

Originally Posted by Raz59

Hey Mookster, forget the diagram you attached...People don't like independent volume controls and to make the SD diagram more efficiently, the controls had to be wired that way.

Steve Ahola's revised version of the Schecter Superock harness has traditional ("dependant" or "coupled") volume controls and the series switch just works better than the stuff that the people at SD or even Gibson managed to draw up...so use this instead:

Raz59, I would like to use this version of the Jimmy Page wiring.

One question, I don't want to solder to the back of pots and use star grounding instead. In this diagram a lug seems to be bent back onto the pot of each DPDT switch.

Instead of bending those specific lugs back, can I just leave the respective lugs in place and solder a ground wire to each of those lugs which I would then connect to a 'star ground' which would then be connected to the single ground on the jack?