Strat sized humbuckers vs. Full sized humbuckers

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  1. Luckynumber3

    Luckynumber3 Senior Member

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    The other day I was sitting there and thinking "Man, I wish I had another guitar with a humbucker so I could use alternate tunings."

    Well, I looked at my strat, and realized that it is just decaying, doing nothing at all (a few of the pickguard screws are rusted, looks like the saddles have got pretty messed up, etc.). Now, I am getting evil ideas.:naughty:

    Anyways, how do the mini, strat sized humbuckers sound in comparison to their normal versions? (Like strat sized jb vs normal jb). Since they take up space under the strings, would they sound different in the guitar?

    I figured that I would maybe install a mini jb or something else for higher gain sounds, so I could either use my tremolo on my strat for rock or tune it down to play stuff like this:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tToQmlAlg04[/ame]


    Or, I could take the bb3 from my les paul (after I get other pickups) and re-route my strat for it...:wow:

    This is all just an idea at the moment, since I do want to buy another amp before I did this (although it would only be one pickup, so it would be cheap).
     
  2. captcoolaid

    captcoolaid Senior Member

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    I like the full size, but that is just me. No real difference I guess as they are built to emulate a full size bucker.
     
  3. Luckynumber3

    Luckynumber3 Senior Member

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    I thought so, but wasn't sure if that extra space it takes up under the string makes any difference, or if it sounds different since they shrink the entire pickup down.

    I like full sized humbuckers too, and that would open up a variety of choices (such as my free burstbucker- only would have to install it and get a push-pull pot), but I would have to reroute my s-s-s strat, and that is non reversable, so im not too sure about doing that...
     
  4. fuelie

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    Did you take the pickguard off and look at the cavity?

    I have had few guys with original SSS Strats that had the universal cavity. They switched over to a SSH set up with a simple pickguard change.
     
  5. Luckynumber3

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    Yeah, I took it off a few years back to check, and it is routed as s-s-s (its a mim 50s reissue strat). :(

    And looking at the seymour duncan site where you can compare pickups, the jb and mini jb have the same resistance, but different magnet, and a different eq rating (T: / M:6 / B:4 for for jb jr., T: / M:6 / B:5 for jb). The jb junior says "JB humbucker in a single coil size," but they seem pretty different- maybe designed to give you the same sound as another guitar would with a jb?
    JB Model | Seymour Duncan


    I have to go look at dimarzio and compare theirs, like their super distortion and super distortion s (strat) to see if they have any differences.
     
  6. captcoolaid

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    They are most likely wound with 44 wire to produce the same tonal affect as it's larger cousin. I have seen it in other pups. If you try and apply the same wind to a mini or in this case a single sized HB you will end up with a different beast all together. You can not get the same DCR so they use a thinner wire also using a different mag vs different wire will produce the same tone. Confused yet.
     
  7. Penny Dreadful

    Penny Dreadful Banned

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    I had a SD Hotrail installed years ago. Sounded pretty good. Or, try a stacked humbucker.
     
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    Years ago I had a Samick Strat copy that I had a Seymour Duncan Hot Rails put in to. I commented to the guy who installed it that it sounded like the guitar in the Beastie Boys' "No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn"...

    So in other words, if you want a ballsier Strat, that's a good way to go.
     
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    I like the Fast Trakk II
     
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    Yeah, because the eq rating on there was different too between the normal size and strat one, which would suggest that it sounds different, or at least has a different attack.:hmm:

    Yeah, I was looking in that direction maybe. In general, Id probably use the strat for c standard tuning (queens of the stone age stuff, or some other really heavy music) and if I got tired of that, use it and the tremolo for some higher gain stuff.

    I will check out that song, been awhile since I heard it. Sounds like people like those Duncans.

    How is it? (other than you liking it?) I noticed that the Dimarzios are cheaper, so that would be a benefit.
     
  11. randelli

    randelli Senior Member

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    I have a stacked HB from Seymour Duncan. It is a full sized coil with the cancelling coil underneath - instead of two mini coils side by side. It sounds exactly right.

    I have it listed in the members classified section so if you are leaning that way I would like to sell it to you :naughty:
     
  12. Luckynumber3

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    Is it stacked like "Hot humbucker" stacked or just noisless single coil? I'm looking more at the "hot humbucker" direction so my strat can play something heavy (like wayy lower tunings- I don't wnat to buy another guitar, and my start kinda sits there as it is, so might s well make the best of what I have).

    And im kinda not sure about doing online trades/sales/buying stuff, since my trad pro, which was supposed to be new, came from GC without the stock gibson neck pickups- I guess if I can't even trust a big store that I visit in person, then I am also nervous about buying from any person online who I don't personally know, even if they have great reviews.
     
  13. fuelie

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    Modify it for a humbucker. In the end you will be happier with drop tuning. It's a MIM strat not a 1957 Strat.
     
  14. Luckynumber3

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    You mean route it?:shock: I know its not a 1957 strat, but its my Mim strat.:thumb: (and it was my first real guitar too!).

    My tunings would be c-standard or another variation of standard more than drop tuning- I can't just tune like that on my les paul, because It requires thicker guage strings (they turn to spaghetti) and possibly having my guitar get re-setup.
     
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    Give the Hot Rails a try. There aren't too many pickups out there hotter than a Hot Rail, regardless of coil size. It'll stay bright, tight, and heavy, which will work good for you if you are gonna do drop tunings with it.

    Best of all you won't have to route for it.

    Easy-peezy.
     
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    +1 about "rails" PU's (I'd even say: be cautious with mini HB's including mini screws, they are sometimes hard to mount properly under the strings).

    One of my axes (Tele style) has Duncan Hotrails and Coolrails in bridge and neck pos.
    The Coolrails has something of a P90 / warm HB tone in regular HB mode and offers a pretty good emulation of regular SC sound once wired in parallel. The hotrails has its own personality in HB mode and is a little convincing in parallel, but is still pretty useable. This pair of PU's makes this axe the most versatile among my ten guitars.

    Regarding stacked HB's designed to emulate SC's and hot SC's, I swear by Kinman PU's. I have them in 3 of my axes with special custom electronics and I'm really happy with them (knowing that I've tried too "rails" PU's and other stacked designs by other brands, including DiMarzio Area's).:slash:

    And to answer to the OP: the sound of narrow HB's is not exactly the same because of their narrower magnetic windows. I bet you guessed it. :)
     
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    It is like the Hot Humbucker. Here is a pic with the cover off so you can see the coils:
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    Here is a pic of it installed in my Strat:
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    I understand the reluctance to buy online, but if you can overcome that, you could have the perfect pickup for $40...... I only have 2 reviews as most of the time I give stuff away on the free pay it forward thread.
     
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    I agree with Fueli( Kevin ) here. But I am a bucker guy
     
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    Love that guitar Randelli.
     
  20. WebGringo

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    HB in SC or fullsize ?

    I do run a tone zone s in my strat, and it sounds good, yea. Miles away from SC when overdriven. But then i go for my LP with captain coolaid pickups, and, yea, its miles apart. It sounds good with a small dude in there, but for a full HB sound, yepp, u will need a full HB in there. Its up to you how mutch its worth moneywise and timewise.

    Adding a clip with a strat running TZ s in it, as said, it sounds good, but aint the full 9 yards.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyT6ZxOZK6o]Fender Hot Rod 57 Stratocaster - YouTube[/ame]
     
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