jimmy page #1 58' or 59'?

Discussion in 'Vintage Les Pauls' started by TyrackT71, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. TyrackT71

    TyrackT71 Senior Member

    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    which year is jimmy pages #1 les paul? ive heard its very simaluar to a 58' but has 59' features?
     
  2. ledlover01

    ledlover01 Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,518
    Likes Received:
    133
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2009
    i think its a 58 could also be a 59 its a big myth and alot of rumours going round
     
  3. TyrackT71

    TyrackT71 Senior Member

    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    yeah but i heard that gibson took a look at the inside and found 59 features, again only rumors...............
     
  4. FennRx

    FennRx Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,652
    Likes Received:
    26,068
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    when gibson examined it to make the replicas, they said it was a 59. it could be an early 60 though. its not a 58 because it had a double white PAF in the bridge.
     
  5. TyrackT71

    TyrackT71 Senior Member

    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    sides, did the 58 even come in plus top?
     
  6. FennRx

    FennRx Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,652
    Likes Received:
    26,068
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    ????

    maybe you are thinking that 58s were plain tops because the 58 reissues are plaintops? gibson made 58s with various degrees of figuring. there was no "plus top" then.
     
  7. TyrackT71

    TyrackT71 Senior Member

    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    yeah sorry im kinda a noob when it comes to the historics........:hmm:
     
  8. FennRx

    FennRx Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,652
    Likes Received:
    26,068
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    no worries, my friend. we all started somewhere.

    i highly suggest buying a copy of The Beauty of the Burst. Very informative and lots of pics of tasty Bursts.
     
  9. TyrackT71

    TyrackT71 Senior Member

    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    THX ill do that, i love the classics...

    im going with gibson on that its a 59'. only joe walsh would really know from purchasing it in the first place.
     
  10. JimmyAce2006

    JimmyAce2006 V.I.P. Member

    Messages:
    10,806
    Likes Received:
    5,515
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2007
    there were other features that Gibson looked at to confirm it is a 59. His #2 is also a 59. The 58 myth started in the mid to late 70s with a misquote of Jimmy in a magazine article.
     
  11. 58burst

    58burst Senior Member

    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    250
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    No double white PAF's until mid '59, #1 had double whites, hence it's a '59, not '58.
     
  12. Tim Plains

    Tim Plains Senior Member

    Messages:
    11,974
    Likes Received:
    6,641
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Hypothetically speaking...
    If Pages #1 was in fact a 1960 Les Paul - would that increase the value of all the other '60 LPs and bring down the cost of the '59s? :hmm:
    Funny if the true holy grail all these years is actually a 1960 LP. :D
     
  13. generalwar

    generalwar Senior Member

    Messages:
    342
    Likes Received:
    11
    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2009

    Its not a possibility so no use pondering that thought. :hmm:

    Both his #1 & #2 are 59's.

    His black custom was a 1960 customized, that guitar was stolen in 1970..
     
  14. Emiel

    Emiel Senior Member

    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    166
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2008
    Well... Peter Green, Jimmy Page and others all bought a '59 Les Paul because they thought Eric Clapton's was one. Now it turns out Clapton's was a '60s, Green didn't like the neck on his '59 (too thick) and Page shaved the neck of his to make it thinner... :applause:
     
  15. shtdaprdtr

    shtdaprdtr Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,094
    Likes Received:
    248
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    well everyone thought it was a 58 and the prices for 59's were still high.
     
  16. huw

    huw V.I.P. Member

    Messages:
    3,443
    Likes Received:
    4,636
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2007
    Not again!

    As far as anyone can say with any certainty (the serial # being missing) it is a 1959.

    Only one person with direct access to the guitar has ever claimed it was a '58. That was Tim marten who was Page's tech in the 1980s - a long time after the guitar was originally bought from Joe Walsh, and not someone that I've ever heard described as a "burst expert". Marten said it in print twice & the rumours have never died down since...

    However: Page has only ever said it's a '59. Walsh said it was a '59. Gibson say it's a '59. The collected & combined opinions of countless LP experts from all over the world (admittedly only looking at photos) say that it's a '59.

    Let this one die the death that it should have done...
     
  17. banditguitarist1

    banditguitarist1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,340
    Likes Received:
    75
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2008
    pickguard on or off?
     
  18. River

    River Senior Member

    Messages:
    57,250
    Likes Received:
    91,222
    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW5sEF5lPuQ&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - hitler pickguard[/ame]
     
  19. huw

    huw V.I.P. Member

    Messages:
    3,443
    Likes Received:
    4,636
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2007
    Not at all.

    '59s are sought after for what they are, not because of JP's guitar.

    Amongst the real burst collectors #1 is thought of as a bit of a dog. It's an iconic guitar because of Page, but if someone else had owned it, it wouldn't be one of the most revered bursts by a looooooooong way.
     
  20. banditguitarist1

    banditguitarist1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,340
    Likes Received:
    75
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2008

Share This Page