Historic Gibson Faux Bumblebee Caps

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by TM1, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. TM1

    TM1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    961
    Likes Received:
    495
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Out of my 2010 R-8:
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    mrfett, donnycraven, OBX351 and 28 others like this.
  2. TM1

    TM1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    961
    Likes Received:
    495
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    These are Wesco 32 PL Polyprop. caps. Costs maybe .50 cents a piece. They're trying to get $113. a pair for these at MF?
    YIKES!!:wtf:
     
    OBX351, Aubertignac and jcsk8 like this.
  3. dave27

    dave27 Member

    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2009
    That is some major F up.
    a holes.
     
  4. XKnight

    XKnight Senior Member

    Messages:
    341
    Likes Received:
    78
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2009
    This is old news, but I guess it can't hurt to remind those that have no clue.
     
    Hysteria and ajory72 like this.
  5. RC2

    RC2 Junior Member

    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2010
    That really is messed up that a company would do that.
     
    ajory72 likes this.
  6. dudu

    dudu Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,080
    Likes Received:
    3,393
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Eric Duane likes this.
  7. msfenderarg

    msfenderarg Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,438
    Likes Received:
    4,561
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2010
    lame!!!
     
  8. gypsyseven

    gypsyseven Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,640
    Likes Received:
    1,147
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2010
    jacopo likes this.
  9. msfenderarg

    msfenderarg Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,438
    Likes Received:
    4,561
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2010

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
    Hysteria likes this.
  10. gypsyseven

    gypsyseven Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,640
    Likes Received:
    1,147
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2010
    How poor...what do these people at Gibson think...
     
  11. msfenderarg

    msfenderarg Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,438
    Likes Received:
    4,561
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2010
    "there's a sucker born every minute", that's what they think:rolleyes:
     
    blues_n_cues likes this.
  12. fretboarder

    fretboarder Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,787
    Likes Received:
    1,467
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    well it doesnt cost much to replace them..
     
    nutsauce likes this.
  13. Liam

    Liam V.I.P. Member

    Messages:
    5,901
    Likes Received:
    2,330
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2007
    They don't claim that they're real bees do they? And Luxe are another cap cast into a Bumblebee lookalike case (OK, I know they're PIO, but there's still level of pretence.) I don't think it's particularly "messed up". I don't actually think they sound that bad either, but maybe it's just me.

    Liam

    OK, just saw the bit on the Gibson parts store, and they are stretching the truth a fair way too far... Do you have trading standards in the USA, because you wouldn't be allowed to say that here in the UK.
     
  14. whatshisname

    whatshisname Senior Member

    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    26
    Joined:
    May 25, 2008
    I'm sure it never occurred to them, that someone would actually x-ray, or cut open one, and find this out. :naughty:

    How do they actually sound, in comparison to a real Bumblebee? Is the difference really obvious? Liam mentioned that he doesn't think they sound bad, but that's not exactly a shining endorsement, either.
     
  15. RC2

    RC2 Junior Member

    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2010

    How is "Historic Spec Bumble Bee Capacitors" Gibson's own product name for then not claiming they're real spec'd bee's?
     
  16. Liam

    Liam V.I.P. Member

    Messages:
    5,901
    Likes Received:
    2,330
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2007
    Because it says Historic Spec, making them as historically accurate as the guitars (i.e. roughly the right shape and colour). But when I read:

    on the Gibson Parts Store website I realised you've got a very good point. My bad...

    Liam
     
  17. KenG

    KenG Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,961
    Likes Received:
    2,968
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    I really don't believe some of you guys. An an eletronic technologist (30+yrs) I can tell you the old caps were basically nothing special. The bumblebee look was because this was the standard way to mark part values before machines could use the MIL system. These components had poor tolerance and materials used as well as poorer manufacturing. If you came across an original and took it out and measured it the chance of it still being anywhere near spec in value are small.
    There's absolutely nothing wrong with modern caps as they are better constructed, better tolerance and will last longer than the old paperwrapper, waxed rolled caps made pre-electronic revolution. These phoneis cost money because no other user/manufacturer would ask for caps to made like this for any other electronic product so it's basically a specialty production.
     
    Hysteria, thinkgreen, Pappy58 and 8 others like this.
  18. Riffster

    Riffster Senior Member

    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    132
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    My grandfather was a radio/electronics guy, I found several 0.022 caps in his stuff from the 50's, 60's and 70's, including Spragues and Tiger caps, I was so excited.

    I disconnected the stock caps in my R8 and tried the vintage caps using alligator clips and sadly the vinatge caps were all over the place and none sounded better than the stock caps.

    I would like to change caps on my R8 but I am going for some new and reasonably priced caps.

    I do think however that the effort and money Gibson puts into making their caps look like bees should go into installing a good cap, those who still want bees can buy them, that is what they do anyway.
     
    Pappy58 likes this.
  19. KenG

    KenG Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,961
    Likes Received:
    2,968
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    I think people sometimes overlook that the real magic was a combination of certain caps (values varied during production) and certain pickups (again variations) and a well built guitar with better than normal woods. No one single element can replace that and since we don't understand the variances in the magic ones (Unless someone dissects them and measures these variances) we can't simply buy the orignal parts and expect to get the same result. Hell if that were true all the old guitars would be great but they weren't! Only a percentage were stellar & memorable.
     
  20. stonevibe

    stonevibe Senior Member

    Messages:
    778
    Likes Received:
    93
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    It's a capacitor and that is about it. Nothing special. Nothing magical.

    You cannot buy being a decent musician in an electronic component.

    But luckily Gibson know that lots of men think you can and it keeps their business alive.

    The real 'magic' is the marketing.
     

Share This Page