500k Pots Volume and tone

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  1. ozone

    ozone Senior Member

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    I recieved some new pots today 500k volume and tone and can't tell the difference. Which is which?
    Also I've read alot about the 300k vs. the 500k pots. I currently have the
    stock 300k pots volume pots and the 100k tone pot in my 1990 LP. Can I combined the 300k volume with the 500k tone? Or should I just go 500 all the way.
     
  2. 5F6-A

    5F6-A Senior Member

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    let me see...
    pots are the same whether you use them as proper pots ( VOL ) or rheostats ( TONE ). I'd use the ones with higher value to the vol pots though.
    That 1990 LP came with 100k tone pots!!! My goodness! That is crazy! I´d change them to at least 300k at once!
    300k vs 500k is along MLP debate. i personally like 500k volume pots but some guyas round here like Jeff ( Weeldar ) swears by his 300k. I'd say if you not that bothered about extra chunky, darkish tones I'd go with 500k....
    But your opinion might be different and the pickups will have a massive influence on your decision.
     
  3. ozone

    ozone Senior Member

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    I know. I got the numbers from the bottom of the pots (71079A tone, 70034 vol) and cross referenced the numbers on the net to get those values. I had a feeling that having the 100k in there was not a good idea. Thanks.
     
  4. Fixxxer

    Fixxxer V.I.P. Member

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    If they sound good, I generally do not mess with it, but for all my stuff, I go with the 500k. The pickup makers generally reccomend this, but you may find a difference in what you like.

    If you guitar is trebly, I would not buy a treble tamer kit, I'd then look to put in a lower value pot.

    Also note, I am not an endorser of a 500k plus pot, I think the challenge is getting an acutal 500k pot, not 525 or 485, just 500.

    Good luck
     
  5. ozone

    ozone Senior Member

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    I'm diffinitly not happy with my tone. I'm changing my pots to 500k and putting in some vitamin Q's. I actually have some hovland caps but I think I'm going to like the vitamin Q's more. I'm trying to achieve a clearer thicker tone. I going to keep my 300ks to compare just in case.
     
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    5F6-A Senior Member

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    glad to help
     
  7. eddie_bowers

    eddie_bowers Senior Member

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    Good to see i'm not the only one that got 100k (stock) tone pots on their LP (mine is from 1984 and i'm the original owner). I have never seen this documented anywhere as to why this was done.
    I always laugh when I see someone quote the Gibson propoganda that the original Silverbursts (which is what I have) are darker sounding because of the paint. Ummm, yeah, or could it be those 100k pots they put in :)

    Now i'm running with 500k tone pots (and 1 meg volume which is probably overkill) and Vitamin Qs. I don't always like it that bright, but it gives me a lot more range to work with. The only reason in my opinion to go with something lower for a tone pot is if your sure thats the brightest you EVER want your guitar, and to me that kind of paints you into a corner. I even modded my neck tone pot to be No-Load at 10 (nice fat, but bright sound).

    I would keep your original pots for resale value (I have all my replaced parts in a bag) just so you can say it comes with all original parts.

    -Eddie
     
  8. ozone

    ozone Senior Member

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    I agree. I like more options. Even though I don't ride my tone knob like my volume knob I can always adjust it on the fly. I'm getting my Vitamin Q's tomorrow. Can't wait!

    I'm not sure what this is and how did you do it?
     
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    Wow. That looks challenging. I don't have an ohmmeter. I'll keep that info just in case I want to do this. Thanks.
     
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    :rofl::rofl: Weldaar :thumb:

    You can also check the values with a meter.
     
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    Sorry Jeff, I sort of tripper over the keyboard
    :laugh2:
     
  13. jonesy

    jonesy GLOBAL WIRING GURU MLP Vendor

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    I would gut the electronics, the 300ks are tone suckers and the 100k's just don't make sense. Find some decent 500k CTS pots and some good quality .022 Caps and then you will know what your Les Paul should really sound like.
    General rule I follow, 100k active, 250k single coils, 500k P-90's and vintage humbuckers, 1Meg for Hot pu's over 15k ohms. Having the correct Pots will give you proper gain and tone, the larger pot values create less load so you get higher gain and a more "OPEN" sound...
    Thanks, jonesy
     
  14. Mr Bones

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    500k is a pretty arbitrary number when you think about it. I prefer my pots run a little less, and often use 300k pots in guitars that need a little compression. With p-90s I go down to 250k
     
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    yes, you will find you LP to sound bright as hell! LOL! Seriously that is me. I personally like 300k volume pots. I thikn the guitar sounds thicker and meatier with a 300k and warmer...not thin and trebly. :)
     
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    Well Gibson told me that 300 k pots were for my volume. But the overall Burstbucker pro sound I'm getting is very treble sound. I been thinking to darken the tone up a bit was to change them to 250k pots. I haven't done it yet but I'm still thnking about doing that, what do you guys think~!!!
     
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    Personally I wouldn't go as low as 250K. What value caps do you have in your guitar? What kind are they also?
    I also don't care much for the BB Pro pups. If you like Gibson pickups, I would recommend Classic 57's. I can recommend much better pickups for your guitar but that depends on your budget.
     
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    No worries. :)
     
  19. ozone

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    I'm working with seymour duncan pups's. Pearly gates in the neck and 59's in the bridge. I'm replacing the stock capacitors with vitamin Q's .022uf for both. I did buy 4 CTS 500k pots but I don't know if they're 'true' 500k. I am going for a thicker, cleaner sound (which I'll distort latter with an overdrive TS808). I'll try both 500k and 300k for volume to compare. But I do need to dump those 100K tone pots for sure! Any suggestions of pots for the pickups I have?
     
  20. 5F6-A

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    check the real value of those 500ks first....
     

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