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Unread 08-27-2013, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

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Now if they would just discontinue their non-RI amps, they'd have an outstanding product line.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

Geez..if they discontinued their reissue line of amps They'd not only lose big bucks that we pay them, but many would not be able to enjoy what we enjoyed in the past. The beautiful sound of a good Fender amp. The originals are some of the best ever made.
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Geez..if they discontinued their reissue line of amps They'd not only lose big bucks that we pay them, but many would not be able to enjoy what we enjoyed in the past. The beautiful sound of a good Fender amp. The originals are some of the best ever made.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

Actually, Fender is doing pretty well with their product decisions, I think. The BJr's are pretty popular as low-wattage amps/pedal platform, the HR's are great amps for upstarts in bands, since they're cheap, sound good enough and are loud enough for anything , and the Mustangs are (I imagine) a God-send to college kids, as well as young parents (though I don't have one....). I know squat about the Supersonic stuff or the quirky pawn shop stuff, but even they have their fans. Honestly, I'm pretty pleasantly surprised that they're calling another round of retired soldiers back to duty. The 65's are wildly succesful. I actually thought/hoped the tweeds would be next, but with EC's lineup out right now, they probably have to wait a bit.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

man, I wish fender would reissue a bandmaster or bassman head!!! either '65 or '68. some of us don't use combos!!!!
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

Fender, like so many other companies are watching forums like this and learning what the public is wanting, Ford; retro Mustang, Chevrolet; retro Camaro, ets, hell Harley Davidson as has gone the the biker rallies and watched what the next gereration is doing and wanting. stripped down bobbers.
There will never be a substution for my original 69Super Rb, 70Twin, 74 Pro rvb, its their way of tapping in to the younger generation that wants what Grand pa or dad had with out dropping 3k for a real 68 Deluxe.
Hell, these may be some killer amps, leave the real goodies at home.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

For so many styles, the old stuff just works better. The cool factor could be part of it, but anyone who's been in a room with any of these old amps knows what a treat it is on the ears.
As for cars, I think it's funny how everyone tells us that we have to drive more efficient vehicles, but in every tv commercial (made by people whose job it is to know with certainty what consumers want/love), classic pony cars are everywhere, even in drug ads.
That's what we want. We want old stuff, because they ARE the good old days. If these amps deliver, they'll be as popular (with the same share of nay-sayers and tweakers) as the '65 lineup, I would think, especially since the majority of guitar players wouldn't even think to open up their amp, unless they join a forum somewhere. Hopefully nobody told them about PCB vs PTP, so they get some joy from their new amp.
I'm tempted to preemptively start the first thread:
"What's the best replacement speaker for my '68 DRRI???"
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

Damn... I'm lusting for a DRRI and now this comes up!
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

That Deluxe interests me, according to the seller's description it says:
" [both] channels boast reverb and tremolo" as well as " the “custom” channel has a modified Bassman tone stack that gives modern players greater tonal flexibility with pedals" and the speaker is a "Celestion G12V-70"

So it isn't a standard reissue, but a new take using the silverface cosmetics and platform. Very interesting, I'd love to try one, better yet I'd love to own one! Fender keeps hitting things RIGHT OUT OF THE PARK on their products, and this sounds like another home run in my book.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

I think it's a great thing... I love my '68 Super Reverb and have been wanting either a DRRI or PRRI and I'd totally go for one of these IF they were handwired.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

So they're 65 ri's with cosmetic changes....ground breaking fender...bravo
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So they're 65 ri's with cosmetic changes....ground breaking fender...bravo
They have some circuit and speaker mods, not only the faceplate.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

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They have some circuit and speaker mods, not only the faceplate.
Oh, well then I retract my previous sarcastic statement, my bad ya'll
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

The official marketing info for these are up on the Fender site...

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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

[QUOTE=BoxyBrown22;5434855]That Deluxe interests me, according to the seller's description it says:
" [both] channels boast reverb and tremolo" as well as " the “custom” channel has a modified Bassman tone stack that gives modern players greater tonal flexibility with pedals" and the speaker is a "Celestion G12V-70"
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What Bassman? Tweed, Blonde, Blackface?

Someone else mentioned handwired, I doubt it as I've seen these listed for $999 for pre-order. At that price point I'm not even going to hope for handwired.

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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

So interesting.... you guys are refreshing.

On the other forum, I was more or less the only person sticking up for the POTENTIAL these new amps have, as no one has played them yet. So, who knows? They might be great.

The VAST majority assumed they would be crap or looked like crap as a knee jerk reaction. (as they are not Blackface).

I OWN a '66 Vibrolux Reverb and I STILL think these could be very cool. Astonishing that people can be negative about something that they haven't tried before based on preconceived notions.... Oh wait, that's humanity in a nutshell.
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I think it's a great thing... I love my '68 Super Reverb and have been wanting either a DRRI or PRRI and I'd totally go for one of these IF they were handwired.

Ok, except you hahahah, just yanking your chain

That said, respectfully, I do not understand your point of view. One can't HEAR the circuit method. I could understand if you meant that the PCB Fender stuff doesn't use as good quality caps etc, that's feasible. But, the actual method itself is transparent. I have heard some say HW's more "pure" (whatever that means) of a circuit than PCB, which is totally untrue. The computer's we are all using do millions of calculations a second and "talk" to it's peripherals through a PCB with no problems.

Yes, there is ease of maintenance with the old models, but frankly, I've gigged both styles of amps and had small, but constant things that needed to be done on my HW amps. Never a thing with HARD gigged solid state stuff.
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Ok, except you hahahah, just yanking your chain

That said, respectfully, I do not understand your point of view. One can't HEAR the circuit method. I could understand if you meant that the PCB Fender stuff doesn't use as good quality caps etc, that's feasible. But, the actual method itself is transparent. I have heard some say HW's more "pure" (whatever that means) of a circuit than PCB, which is totally untrue. The computer's we are all using do millions of calculations a second and "talk" to it's peripherals through a PCB with no problems.

Yes, there is ease of maintenance with the old models, but frankly, I've gigged both styles of amps and had small, but constant things that needed to be done on my HW amps. Never a thing with HARD gigged solid state stuff.
It must be components because I've built a DR Mojo kit and it was night and day compared with every PCB DRRI I've ever tried and owned, even with bright cap clipped et al. Most noticeable when the amp starts to push into saturation, but also noticeably warmer in the cleans.

That said, the PCB ones aren't necessarily bad sounding....and some very respected amp makers use PCBs with good components and to great results. But as we've noticed a domestically-made handwired from one of these makers can get very expensive. I think this amp has some potential to be a really cool small-medium club warrior as long as its components don't let it down. Good tubes, correct bias, and a speaker that suits one's taste go a long way in them. I'll definitely be checking one out...even though the DRRI and the Super Sonic 22 don't do much for me.
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man, I wish fender would reissue a bandmaster or bassman head!!! either '65 or '68. some of us don't use combos!!!!
They didn't for now but they did a DRRI Blackface head.
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Ok, except you hahahah, just yanking your chain

That said, respectfully, I do not understand your point of view. One can't HEAR the circuit method. I could understand if you meant that the PCB Fender stuff doesn't use as good quality caps etc, that's feasible. But, the actual method itself is transparent. I have heard some say HW's more "pure" (whatever that means) of a circuit than PCB, which is totally untrue. The computer's we are all using do millions of calculations a second and "talk" to it's peripherals through a PCB with no problems.

Yes, there is ease of maintenance with the old models, but frankly, I've gigged both styles of amps and had small, but constant things that needed to be done on my HW amps. Never a thing with HARD gigged solid state stuff.
It's in the feel more than the aural sound... I feel there is better dynamics and touch responsiveness in handwired amps.
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Re: 68 Fender Princeton, Deluxe, Twin- reissue

I think they look awesome, but original silverface amps can be had for pretty cheap.... so I don't see the point in all honesty....

It's a bit like what Gibson did reissuing the L6-S..... cool guitar, but why bother when you can get an original for the same $$$ or less.
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I like the Silverface look of these amps but for the same or less money I rather have a vintage SF amp. My '72 Twin is hard to beat for good tone.
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This has different features than an original BF or SF amp.
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Have you seen they are from "vintage modified" serie?
the deluxe has special features like the "fritz mod" which wasn't called like this before ;-)
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I don't really dig the silver face look but the deluxe reverb's features are quite cool.
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I was looking at these, they could be just what I'm looking for, but they're retailing here at >£900, according to the Anderton's/GAK websites. There's an original 68 on eBay for £650, so they may need to adjust the pricing to get people on board. I understand they may not be cheap to produce, but if you can get the original hand wired one for less, why get the new one. I do like the features though.
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Different strokes and all of that. An original SF will (unless you are a very lucky little boy or girl) in all likelihood need service, and many will need some major re-wire/modification to bring them to original condition. This will add some $$$'s to the purchase price. When you are done, you will have an amp that will last another 40 years without fuss. Everything on one of these things can be fixed !!!! EVERYTHING!!!!

A reissue (I have a DRRI, sounds awesome) will sound great out of the box (once you put some decent glass in it, but that is just my opinion), will sound great for a long time and has a warranty. No fuss, no service, just a good amplifier. Were it me, I would do the original if I had the wherewithal to do so. Either way, I believe these (RI and Original) are the best amps out there (speaking of the PRRI and DRRI only). My two-cents..
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I was looking at these, they could be just what I'm looking for, but they're retailing here at >£900, according to the Anderton's/GAK websites. There's an original 68 on eBay for £650, so they may need to adjust the pricing to get people on board. I understand they may not be cheap to produce, but if you can get the original hand wired one for less, why get the new one. I do like the features though.
Because the new one has different features. That's why I felt they should have given it different 'custom-y' cosmetics to help differentiate from buying an actual SF.

My choice is still an original SF or BF one...partly because I have some experience building.fixing amps so I can do the maintenance/mods, but also I prefer the sound/feel of the handwired originals or kit builds to the DRRIs. But who knows, this new DR version may have just a great inherent voice/feel out of the box that's unique t its format. I'm still eager to give one a try.

Plus, cosmetically, it's reminiscent of a late-'67 SF I used to own years back.....

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