Gotta ask: 15 watt head with 4 x 12 cab ?

[Davio]

I'm seeing all these lower wattage amp heads and many great reviews. I'm simply wondering how well a 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 (or a blues junior) will drive and sound through a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cab. Not for gigging, but recording and somewhat spirited playing in the home studio. Anyone tried this with these amps (or others of similar wattage) ?

Also, I can't find out whether or not the Super Champ hybrid is class A or B or AB ? Anybody ?

[12watt]

Super champ will be class AB. Most non single ended (push pull) amps are.

Amp will sound much bigger through 4×12. More bass too.

[dmraco]

I have seen a 1W amp drive a 4x12 well. I routinely play my MESA mini in 10W thru a 4x12. Not issues at all.

+1 on the super champ being AB

[qpHalcy0n]

Seconded.

Orange AD15 through a 4x12 sounds pretty huge and gets the cones moving well.

[studio1087]

I play a VOX Night Train (15 watts) through a Marshall 4 x12 and sometimes a play my Jet City Pico Valve (5 watts) through the 4 x 12.

It sounds really full and crisp and warm. It's very nice.

[eaglewolf]

My 1W Marshall JTM sounds awesome through my 2X12, keeping much of the characteristics of the 35W JTM-based amp I have at much lower volumes. I would expect it to sound even better with a 4X12, or at least bigger.

I think the more important question would be if the speakers in your 1960A are well matched to your 15W Super Champ. If so, I think you are in for a real treat!

David

[alligatorbling]

i push my 4x12s with a daisycutter 14, sounds great!

before i had the DC i pushed the 4x12s with a vox ac4tv ... 4 watts is a lot bigger sounding though 4x12s.

[Bubbletonic]

Marshall Class 5 being 5 watts but Class A is very loud through my 4x12, not tear your arms off loud like a 100 tube watts by any means but more than loud enough.

[cooljuk]

I've pushed a Marshall 4X12 with 4 G1275s (not their most efficient speaker) with a 2.5W amp and it was loud enough to play with a full rock band. 5W worked too, just with a little more headroom.

[BillB1960]

.5W through a 4X12 Marshall cab with Greenbacks.

Zvex Nano Head Amp - YouTube

Zvex Nano Head Amp - YouTube

[Drew224]

If I were to get another low watt amp, it'd be a head I was running into a 4x12.

[Davio]

Thanks for the input, guys ! So I am thinking that I just may go with the tube hybrid Super Champ x2 head instead of the all solid state Mustang V head (both are sub $300)... unless somebody / something convinces me that the Mustang V is the way to go.

My 1960A cabinet has G12T-75 speakers that are pretty efficient (97db with 1 watt at one meter). So theoretically 15 true watts should push to nearly 109 db, which is PDL (pretty damn loud).

[Davio]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

i push my 4x12s with a daisycutter 14, sounds great!

before i had the DC i pushed the 4x12s with a vox ac4tv ... 4 watts is a lot bigger sounding though 4x12s.

So after I read this, I've been soaking up Phaez threads, Youtube demos and website. Wow!

In particular, I saw "The WINONA is a 2 channel 18W EL84 amp. The Daisycutter is the first channel. Either Fender Blackface or Matchless Lightning/Trainwreck Rocket Circuit as a Second Channel. EF86 pentode could also be the second channel. CHASSIS ONLY". Is this a desirable amp ?

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by Davio

So after I read this, I've been soaking up Phaez threads, Youtube demos and website. Wow!

In particular, I saw "The WINONA is a 2 channel 18W EL84 amp. The Daisycutter is the first channel. Either Fender Blackface or Matchless Lightning/Trainwreck Rocket Circuit as a Second Channel. EF86 pentode could also be the second channel. CHASSIS ONLY". Is this a desirable amp ?

any phaez is a desirable amp lol

people laugh at the hype and buzz that phaez amps have created, but once you hear one in person, you will compare everything else to it.

the gain i get out of my daisycutter 14 is that sound, the sound i have always wanted.

[Syrus]

BLOODY HELL.


Always the same questions.


Every time.


Where's the sticky on amp power when you need it?


Amp power in Watt, says something about clean headroom, before it distorts.
Speaker sensitivity is the factor of how much dB's it will produce.


10x Watt's 2x percieved volume.


A 1W head will be only be half as loud as a 10W head.
A 10W head will be only be half as loud a a 100W head.
And so on.


Then there's tube amps who's power rating is based on a RMS clean power signal, when they distort the power output rises, like almost to 150% of the clean power in W RMS.

A 100W Marshall head on 10 is producing around 150W full tilt.

[Davio]

Originally Posted by Syrus

BLOODY HELL.


Always the same questions.


Every time.


Where's the sticky on amp power when you need it?


Amp power in Watt, says something about clean headroom, before it distorts.
Speaker sensitivity is the factor of how much dB's it will produce.


10x Watt's 2x percieved volume.


A 1W head will be only be half as loud as a 10W head.
A 10W head will be only be half as loud a a 100W head.
And so on.


Then there's tube amps who's power rating is based on a RMS clean power signal, when they distort the power output rises, like almost to 150% of the clean power in W RMS.

A 100W Marshall head on 10 is producing around 150W full tilt.

Bloody Hell is right. Nobody asked even one question to prompt the twit drivel (and flawed) spew of yours. Stay off my threads.

[Syrus]

Originally Posted by Davio

Bloody Hell is right. Nobody asked even one question to prompt the twit drivel (and flawed) spew of yours. Stay off my threads.

I'm seeing all these lower wattage amp heads and many great reviews. I'm simply wondering how well a 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 (or a blues junior) will drive and sound through a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cab. Not for gigging, but recording and somewhat spirited playing in the home studio. Anyone tried this with these amps (or others of similar wattage) ?

Also, I can't find out whether or not the Super Champ hybrid is class A or B or AB ? Anybody ?


Tell me. How is this not a question?

It appears that you don't even know what I'm getting at and you can't even seem to use google.

AB Push-Pull
Phase inverter 12AX7 and a Pre-amp 12AX7
With Silicon based Diode rectification.


Flawed, why yes you are.
Time to grow a pair.

If you don't want stupid answers, then I'd suggest stop posting stupid questions.
If you knew all that crap, why'd you post such a trivial question.
What is this? Harmony Central?!

[Drew224]

I'm pretty sure the Super Champ is AB.

[Davio]

Originally Posted by Syrus

I'm seeing all these lower wattage amp heads and many great reviews. I'm simply wondering how well a 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 (or a blues junior) will drive and sound through a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cab. Not for gigging, but recording and somewhat spirited playing in the home studio. Anyone tried this with these amps (or others of similar wattage) ?

Also, I can't find out whether or not the Super Champ hybrid is class A or B or AB ? Anybody ?


Tell me. How is this not a question? ***THAT IS ONE (1) QUESTION. ONE THAT ALREADY GOT ANSWERED.***

It appears that you don't even know what I'm getting at and you can't even seem to use google.

AB Push-Pull *** ANSWERED QUESTION ***
Phase inverter 12AX7 and a Pre-amp 12AX7 *** NOT ASKED ***
With Silicon based Diode rectification. *** NOT ASKED ***


Flawed, why yes you are.
Time to grow a pair.

If you don't want stupid answers, then I'd suggest stop posting stupid questions.
If you knew all that crap, why'd you post such a trivial question.
What is this? Harmony Central?!

I asked a question and you gave it (late) plus lots more not asked for trivia. You started it with a complaint about where's your sticky, etc. etc. Just don't over-inconvenience yourself AND then complain about it.

[axslinger]

I read a review of the little Z-Vex Nano amp and they demo'd it through a 4x12. They said it rocked and pushed it quite nicely.

[BillB1960]

Originally Posted by axslinger

I read a review of the little Z-Vex Nano amp and they demo'd it through a 4x12. They said it rocked and pushed it quite nicely.

I don't have a 4x12 cab but my Zvex Nano head pushes a 2x10 and a 1x12 quite well.

[TOMMYTHUNDERS]

i've hooked my ht-5 up to a 4x12 and it sounds pretty awesome.

[Deftone]

What the point of having a forum if you can't ask questions? Even if they've been asked before, there's always room for more discussion.

If you don't like what you're reading, move on. There's no reason to sh!t on someone's thread just because you don't like it.

[Syrus]

Originally Posted by Deftone

What the point of having a forum if you can't ask questions? Even if they've been asked before, there's always room for more discussion.

If you don't like what you're reading, move on. There's no reason to sh!t on someone's thread just because you don't like it.

Dear Deftone,

It diminishes the quality of the forum greatly

You want discussion? Here's one for you!

How'd you feel seeing the same questions repeated infinite times, but formulated differently every time?

But yeah, you're right.
Spamming forums is the way to go baby!

Oh, how rude of me. How could I've be so stupid?!?
Can't even begin to argue with such strong motivators like that.

I agree, where would this forum be without you guys
All those serious topics. What a total waste of time.

Also,
That SEARCH button, total waste of space and function.

Now I see.


My sincere apologies,

Syrus

[nicolasrivera]

Syrus, we are all guilty of posting stupid question as you like to call them, you are as guilty as any one.... you are relatively new here and i have been here longer to have see your question posted over and over again...

Tilting an Amp Head 90 degrees. Safe?

TS9/808 Question

Are there any 7/8 String players here?

Please remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people afraid to ask them!



Cheers..

[Lowdown]

Originally Posted by Davio

I'm seeing all these lower wattage amp heads and many great reviews. I'm simply wondering how well a 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 (or a blues junior) will drive and sound through a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cab. Not for gigging, but recording and somewhat spirited playing in the home studio. Anyone tried this with these amps (or others of similar wattage) ?

Also, I can't find out whether or not the Super Champ hybrid is class A or B or AB ? Anybody ?

[nicolasrivera]

Originally Posted by Davio

I'm simply wondering how well a 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 (or a blues junior) will drive and sound through a Marshall 1960A 4x12 cab.

I have the pro junior and i put it into my 4X10 1965A Cab and it just sounds so incredible and beautiful!!! The pure sound of tubes drives to the MAX!

[Syrus]

Originally Posted by nicolasrivera

Syrus, we are all guilty of posting stupid question as you like to call them, you are as guilty as any one.... you are relatively new here and i have been here longer to have see your question posted over and over again...

Tilting an Amp Head 90 degrees. Safe? Misfunctioning of heaters / Killing filaments, our Röntgen tubes/valves are oil cooled for this matter.

TS9/808 Question Tubescreamer Propaganda and mindless marketing. Hyping a pedal doesn't make it good, only valuable.

Are there any 7/8 String players here? 6 strings and no more mentality...CHECK! Oh, wait there's a cool guy from NY. Thank you : )

Please remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people afraid to ask them!



Cheers..

Have you actually red one of my threads?

So being here longer gives you what exactly?

Almost like on youtube, when somebody pops a FIRST! comment.
Do you want a medal?

I actually use my 4x12 with a 1 Watt twin 12AX7 head. Long before Marshall for example did it. Maybe I should Email them. Actually, I recall a French Boutique amp builder friend of mine making a Plexi with only a 12AX/AU7 output stage in the beginning of the Nineties.

This is also a question.
Gotta ask: 15 watt head with 4 x 12 cab ?

Which I kindly answered, Watts don't mean loud.
Simple.
But some can't comprehend that.
They don't understand, see it as a threat and rage.

Then again, I'm trying to explain simple physics to a person who can't even use google.



Cheers

[nicolasrivera]

Originally Posted by Syrus

Have you actually red one of my threads?

So being here longer gives you what exactly?

Almost like on youtube, when somebody pops a FIRST! comment.
Do you want a medal?

I actually use my 4x12 with a 1 Watt twin 12AX7 head. Long before Marshall for example did it. Maybe I should Email them. Actually, I recall a French Boutique amp builder friend of mine making a Plexi with only a 12AX/AU7 output stage in the beginning of the Nineties.

This is also a question.
Gotta ask: 15 watt head with 4 x 12 cab ?

Which I kindly answered, Watts don't mean loud.
Simple.
But some can't comprehend that.
They don't understand, see it as a threat and rage.

Then again, I'm trying to explain simple physics to a person who can't even use google.



Cheers

Its not about that, but your remark about asking stupid questions that you have asked too and then say you can't stand stupid questions!!

Do you get it?? maybe you can goole it!

Peace.

[Syrus]

Originally Posted by nicolasrivera

Its not about that, but your remark about asking stupid questions that you have asked too and then say you can't stand stupid questions!!

Do you get it?? maybe you can goole it!

Peace.

There is actually a hidden logic behind my questions.

It appears to me that you didn't read my next to the link remarks.

Filaments need to heat the valve/tube even or it will crack the glass losing the vacuum.

Look, I'm not even using the word burn as this implicates to react with oxygen.
Which of course couldn't happen inside a valve/tube. Groovy huh.

The others, I'll leave them to you. Maybe you can see my logic, maybe not.

Yes, why thank you. I will surely try this goole you speak of.
PROTIP: If you want to insult, do it proper.

I'm not here to piss on other threads, but please, that was just exciting and funny.

Now, shall I post your useless threads or is that not needed?

He asks will a 15W drive a 4x12? Which could mean a few things.
Not enough watts, speakers too big, etc.
See? Logic.


Now I'm gonna run out, cry in a corner, do a line of coke & tequila, play with my Marshall wall of sound for a while and sleep. In that order. I think.
Advice?
Will this affect my tone?