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Unread 05-01-2012, 02:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

hey guys. my stock 6l6s in my tweaker crapped out so i bought some el34s, stuck them in and it does not sound great. very muddy when you crank it. and somehow my guitar actually sounds out of tune.

what are some recommendations for tubes for this amp? my preference is for cleaner tones since i can always boost it with a pedal. at this point i'm leaning back to 6l6s. was wondering what other tubes or tube brands you guys use to get good tones in the tweaker.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Did you adjust the bias if needed?!
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

its cathode based and self biasing, so no.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

It probably sounds crappy because your amp has a output transformer designed for 6L6's.

You can't just put any ol' tubes in an amp.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Like filling diesel into a regular motor .
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

I'd like to add, you can put KT66's in your amp, since your tweaked runs off 6L6's.

I never really cared for 6L6's myself. Give the KT66's a try. They're much more colorful.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

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my stock 6l6s in my tweaker crapped out so i bought some el34s, stuck them in
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

the amp is designed to run different tubes. there are plenty of people that put el34s in it.

but yeah i'll probably buy n ew 6l6s and go with that.
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the amp is designed to run different tubes. there are plenty of people that put el34s in it.

but yeah i'll probably buy n ew 6l6s and go with that.
We're talking about the Egnator Tweaker 40, correct?

Yes, it's designed to be able to handle different tubes, damage wise. The plate voltage of the amp is not meant for EL34's. Putting different tubes in that amp won't hurt the amp for awhile, but the Output Tranny isn't designed for EL34's, so it's not going to sound like it should. It will need to be modded to sound proper with EL34's.

I've owned around 30 different amps in my life, including the Egnator tweaker 40. It's a good amp, but it's designed to use 6L6(6550, KT66 as well) type tubes.

Btw, what brand tubes are you using?
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Questions are better asked before than after.
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We're talking about the Egnator Tweaker 40, correct?

Yes, it's designed to be able to handle different tubes, damage wise. The plate voltage of the amp is not meant for EL34's. Putting different tubes in that amp won't hurt the amp for awhile, but the Output Tranny isn't designed for EL34's, so it's not going to sound like it should. It will need to be modded to sound proper with EL34's.

I've owned around 30 different amps in my life, including the Egnator tweaker 40. It's a good amp, but it's designed to use 6L6(6550, KT66 as well) type tubes.

Btw, what brand tubes are you using?
they are JJ el34s.

what you're saying makes sense. also it's the 15 watt tweaker, not the 40.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

The 15 watt tweaker comes with 6V6 tubes not 6L6...
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

my mistake, i confused them.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

I'm taking it you also confused El34's for EL84's?
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

I'm running a pair of matched JJ 6V6's in my Tweaker and it sounds absolutely incredible. You can use any octel tube in the Tweaker, but if you liked the sound before, put some 6V6's in it.
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I'm taking it you also confused El34's for EL84's?
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Wow.
Where did RH1 go?

Am I going to have to deal with this myself?
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

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they are JJ el34s.

what you're saying makes sense. also it's the 15 watt tweaker, not the 40.
Okay, now things are coming together much more.

Your amp runs 6V6's. Essentially the 6L6's younger brother. You would want to run EL84's if you wanted a sound similar to EL34's. You can safely run the EL84's as they don't change the load of the Output Tranny like 6L6's to El34's do.

If you want to run the bigger tubes, you'll need the "88 mod" done to your amp. You can do more research on that mod via google if you'd like, as I don't know too much about it.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

I've had the best tones from a good set of 6V6 tubes. I had EL34's for a while but finally pulled them and put in some JJ 6V6 GTs. This I like.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

How would this amp take EL84's?
It has octal sockets for the power tubes.

Anyhow, EL34s are good for some circuits but not others.
I generally find that amps designed for 2x6V6GT's don't sound very good with
substitutions.
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How would this amp take EL84's?
It has octal sockets for the power tubes.

Anyhow, EL34s are good for some circuits but not others.
I generally find that amps designed for 2x6V6GT's don't sound very good with
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An octal adaptor would let you use the EL84's.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Why not just get a good set of 6v6's ? I'm guessing its cathode bias so if they say you can run el34's you probably won't damage the OT. But they aren't going to sound like el34's because you aren't getting 450vdc+ on the plates or the resistance at the OT so they aren't running in their curve.
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

Here's a great article about modding a 15 watt Tweaker, using a variety of tubes.

Egnater Tweaker with EL34 mod! - 12fret.com : The Twelfth Fret Guitarists' Pro Shop, Repair Shop and Lessons., Toronto Ontario Serving Musicians Worldwide since 1977
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but yeah i'll probably buy n ew 6l6s and go with that.
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you would be well advised to read that.

and once again, every time i come in this thread.....
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Re: tweaker tube swap, put el34s in and it sounds mehh

I tried EL34's for a while and eventually went to 6V6 before I sold my Tweaker. I recently grabbed another one used that came with 5881's. I have to say I really really like these tubes in there! Great chimey cleans and awesome crunch when needed. Regardless of tubes though the best thing I ever did was pair it with a Scumback H75. I never liked the stock G12 and when I got the 2nd Tweaker I grabbed an empty 1x12 and put a Scumback in it. Those speakers are fantastic.
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i did read it, i decided to try to experiment. in this case the tone wasn't that great from the el34s, so i'm asking for better recommendations before i keep spending money on tubes. what's wrong with that?
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i did read it, i decided to try to experiment. in this case the tone wasn't that great from the el34s, so i'm asking for better recommendations before i keep spending money on tubes. what's wrong with that?
Dude. Why didn't it sound great with EL34s? Can you answer this question? Because I really don't think you're getting it.
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Dude. Why didn't it sound great with EL34s? Can you answer this question? Because I really don't think you're getting it.
you're insinuating that it didn't sound great because the amp was designed for 6v6 tubes. that doesn't mean it will sound worst with other tubes, in some cases it may sound better, or just different. in this case i was experimenting with el34s.

the author of this article used el34s, so do many people, they like their results.
Egnater Tweaker with EL34 mod! - 12fret.com : The Twelfth Fret Guitarists' Pro Shop, Repair Shop and Lessons., Toronto Ontario Serving Musicians Worldwide since 1977

just because an amp came stock with some tubes doesn't mean it wont work with others.

also tone down the jerky attitude, otherwise dont comment at all.
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