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Unread 05-02-2012, 11:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

that looks great! I love Tayden´s choise of British racing green for their chassis. Übercool!! Nice contrast with the understated, back to basics, black and white looks of the G12T-75

Unfortunately I´ll have to wait until next week to get the True Brit 25. Nobody is availabale at home to sign for it until next Wednesday...
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I'd love another cab with a True Brit in it but my living room would start to look like the set for Spinal Tap!

I did consider having two cabs when I had my amp built.
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

My intention with this combo is to use the bold low end and top end scream of the G12-75 to support the rich midrange and clarity of the True Brit. The Tayden is a little bit more efficient so that is good in my book. Also the tayden will work harder due to be rated only 25 watts so the midrange, if the Tru Brit is anything like the old Greenbacks, will kind of blossom when pushed. Let's see...
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

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A Tayden True Brit 25 is coming home to papa!!
Haha great!
of course please make a good review after 100hrs broke in period
I have my eye on their spendy G12 version but I spent recently $$ on the celestial gold...
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Damir,

100 hours! Blimey! I thought 15 or so would be enough...

I´m going to run some white, brown and pink noise followed by some 80 hz hum for few hours with the master, bass and mis knobs maxed out to see if I speed the whole process up a bit.

What do you think about the G12T-75 + Tayden Greenback thing combo?

If you listen to the G12T and True Brit clips here ( http://www.watfordvalves.com/soundfactory.asp ) you can hear how the Celestion has lots of bass and a shiny top with a really annoyingly understated and flat midrange while the Tayden is light in the bass and extreme high department whilst it certainly rocks in the high mids in the fashion of the Malcolm brothers or very early Clapton. Will they mesh well... ???

I´m hoping for a sonic epiphany.
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If you listen to the G12T and True Brit clips here ( Watford Valves :: Sound Factory - Listen to our speakers before you buy! ) you can hear how the Celestion has lots of bass and a shiny top with a really annoyingly understated and flat midrange while the Tayden is light in the bass and extreme high department whilst it certainly rocks in the high mids in the fashion of the Malcolm brothers or very early Clapton.
would you agree, that judging speakers of different watt/dB properties, through the amp pushing 5 james watts, would be a tricky business?

but I see what you mean listening to those clips....it's interesting to listen to true brit and greenback....
it's hard to predict two speakers in 2x12 combo. but those two of yours should be ok and interesting mix with jtm 45, g12T is not heavy bass like V30 and true brit should mellow high spike and enchance midds
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Yes! Listening to internet clips is always a compromise.BTW I find the V30 very annoying. Those low mids are really cringy. That's why I much, much prefer the Greenbacks
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Well guys I have been playing the G12T-75 / True Brit combo. Initial impresion...
WOW!!! Sweet, sweet, sweet!!!
It's amazing what swapping one speaker can do! The Tayden is exceptionallygood sounding right out the box. Beautiful high mids that make everything jangly, chimey and very, very 60's sounding indeed.
Funnily enough, the remaining G12T-75 is not at all unhappy next to his new room mate . The overpowering lows and the certainly sharp top of end have been significantly tamed and the slightly louder Tayden provides loads and loads of syrupy midrange.
A tidgy bit of the flabby bass and shiny top is still there though...

Does the Tayden sound good? ABSOLUTELY! GORGEOUS TONE!

Does it get along with the G12T-75? YES!

Is it a winning combo? Ermm... I don't know yet.

The combo is a significant improvement over the 2 x G12T-75s but a dangerous thought has popped in my brain... If the amp sounds fabulous through the Tayden, good together and just ok through the Celestion how long will I stand leaving it as it is? Taydens are great for us here in England and they cheaper than Celestions or anything made in the US.


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The combo is a significant improvement over the 2 x G12T-75s but a dangerous thought has popped in my brain... If the amp sounds fabulous through the Tayden, good together and just ok through the Celestion how long will I stand leaving it as it is?
I thought that a page and a half ago
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

For the time being, the G12T-75 and the Tayden True Brit 25 are both staying in the cab (no money for a second Tayden just now ) but let me tell you the new Tayden has made a HUGE difference. My JTM45 ish amp sounds creamier, sweeter, janglier and more alive now. Before it was a terrific amp somehow let down by the speakers but now it´s almost like having a new amp! My LP through it sounds like the fattest Tele on Earth.

The G12T-75 is likely to leave at one point but -for now- I am a happy camper.

I have learnt from this experience that Celestion G12T-75s, if broken in, aren´t bad speakers. They are no-nonsense (even impressive sounding under very concrete circumstances) speakers. I believe they are particularly good for certain genres of metal and rock music, especially with amps with a weaker low end such as JCM900 and similar. But for music in the style of anything made and recorded before 1979 this Celestion speaker is far from perfect. For blues / jazzy soul / vintage rock it´s IME not a clear winner. I wish it was but sadly it just isn´t...

Another lesson I have learnt is that there´s at least one British company in 2012 that produces well-built, toneful, inspirational, cool sounding and affordable guitar speakers. Well done, Tayden!! Keep up the good work!!


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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

This really isn't helping me in not wanting another cab with a true brit - thanks a lot!

I bet the ace and true brit together would sound... ...no not even going to think about it.
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I'm glad to hear that tayden delivered the fruits for you
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Yes! Can't wait for the speaker to break in...
Compared to Udo Piper's original 4 x 12 loaded with vintage Greenbacks, my combo sounds heavier on lows , not as 'honky' and with more highs. Still not a million miles away tonally, at all...

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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I can find things in them to like but overall not so much.
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I can find things in them to like but overall not so much.
yes... I see what you mean...

Some interesting videos that feature both G12T-7s and others:


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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

A cool video of a G12T-75 with a Hiwatt clone

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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I too have gone back to Greenbacks. Went back to my Heritage Greenbacks. They have more character. I was definitely sucked in to the bigger, tighter lows of the G12T75, but they sound flat and clinical compared to the Greenbacks.
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I too have gone back to Greenbacks. Went back to my Heritage Greenbacks. They have more character. I was definitely sucked in to the bigger, tighter lows of the G12T75, but they sound flat and clinical compared to the Greenbacks.
Correct!

I can see the appeal of the G12T-75 for certain types of music but the music that I love (blues, jazz, soul, 60s rock) thrives for sure in the frequencies that Greenbacks (and clones) tend to favour. Although I can't afford it yet, I can't wait to have a second Tayden True Brit. I think I like them, at least, as much as I love the Weber alnicos ( blue dog / silver bell ) that I have been using in the past too... Sure, the alnicos are sweet, detailed and rich -especially in the low and middle mids- but I love the bright, hendrixy 'Krangggg!' of the British made Tayden!
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Nice one, It's great that it worked out well for you. I'm glad I tried one in my setup
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Nice one, It's great that it worked out well for you. I'm glad I tried one in my setup
How would you describe the tone of the True Brit? Also did you do that comparision with G12T-75s?
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Just as I wanted to order my second Tayden, they seem to be unavailable! apparently more and more players in the UK and Europe are learning that Tayden speakers make an awful lot of sense) and the guys at the factory in Norfolk are struggling to keep up with demand. They'll be available in a week or two, though.
In the mean time I have reinstalled the two G12T-75s back together. They are not as sweet as the Taydens but certainly nor garbage as some people seem to think about them... I'll keep the T-75 loaded cab as an emergency cab but I'm anticipating that the new cab with the Taydens will blow the old one to smithereens.
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I like to think of them as a jack of all trades, master of none. It does everything pretty decently. They are definitely a workhorse speaker.
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Honestly, I like G12T-75s more than I like the G10 Vintage speakers I got for my Lead 12 Microstack. I've tried both speakers with my JTM1, JMP1, Lead 12 head, and JVM410 and I don't know if it's because it's a 4x12" instead of a 1x10", but it just sounds better.
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

Got my second True Brit. This second one sounds a bit thicker than the first one. Identical sonic ballpark but a bit more stout and robust whilst the first one 'sings' more with high mids galore! Nice combo though! I tend to stick a 57 in front of the first / brighter one as JTM-45s tend to be really thick sounding amps.
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Bass 0 / 10
Middle 8 / 10
Treble 7 / 10
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I have many cabs, and for doing the Page all treble with volume=bass, I find the GT75s are Superior to the V30s...


That said, my Marshall 1960Vintage cab with V30s is the best sounding cab I own! Even better then my scumback filled cab.
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

True jtm-45s cannot work too well with G12T-75s as both have too much low end. Thinner sounding amps might be fine though...
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Re: Celestion G12T-75... only good for metal / rock?

I've had a Marshall 4x12 with 75s for years . I rarely use it , simply because it only really opens up on big stages where it can be pushed - but then there's a really good classic rock crunch . For the average pub/small club gig where it can't push some air - no !
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