Phaez Amps [merged]

[bufbills]

Originally Posted by matmont1305

I've got a 65 watt Cali made H75 I'd trade ya, but the shipping would probably kill the deal.

Matt, The shipping would be crazy. I love the H75s. I ilke the BM75 but I keep finding myself using the cab with the H75/G12H30.

[logen99999]

Hey guys, i have a specific question for you Phaez owners. i recently played a 65 amps London pro and was absolutely blown away by it. to my ears it was better sounding, feeling, responding then a Marshall JMP that my friend borrowed me. problem with the 65 amps london pro is that it's about 1800$

I was wondering if anyone here owned both a phaez and a 65 amps london, and if so would you say the quality is comparable? which phaez model would best compare to the amp. obviously no amp will perfectly mimic the 65 amps london pro but which phaez would you guys say is comparable? i am leaning towards the Sibly or the JTM/jericho since both the london and the JTM/Sibly are based on 60s marshall amps.

[JMV]

Gosh...I have no idea how they would compare. The fit and finish is definitely top notch on the 65 Amps. Not to say it's not on Phaez, but they're appealing to different markets in that regard.

Now for tone? All I can say is that the one 65 Amp I've played absolutely blew me away. It was stellar. I've had much the same experience with Phaez/Armstrong.

As for tone vs. dollar value? I'll give every bit of the edge to Phaez on that.

[V2]

Originally Posted by logen99999

Hey guys, i have a specific question for you Phaez owners. i recently played a 65 amps London pro and was absolutely blown away by it. to my ears it was better sounding, feeling, responding then a Marshall JMP that my friend borrowed me. problem with the 65 amps london pro is that it's about 1800$

I was wondering if anyone here owned both a phaez and a 65 amps london, and if so would you say the quality is comparable? which phaez model would best compare to the amp. obviously no amp will perfectly mimic the 65 amps london pro but which phaez would you guys say is comparable? i am leaning towards the Sibly or the JTM/jericho since both the london and the JTM/Sibly are based on 60s marshall amps.

If you were blown away by the 65, take a deep breath and go get one. Getting a phaez in the future wouldn't cost that much, so YOU could give people the results of your comparison!

[redking]

Can't do a straight up comparison because I only own one of the 2 amps in question. I think there is a ton of value in Phaez amps, but a 65 London pro is in a whole different league. It's got all the best components money can buy, including (hand wound I believe) Mercury Magnetics transformers, etc.

If Randy were to build you an amp with all of the same components that Dan Boul uses, it would probably cost you near the same amount as the 65.

Don't buy a Phaez thinking you are getting a 65 or a Two Rock for a better price - you will be disappointed if that is what you want.

If you dig getting excellent value for your dollar get a Phaez.

Originally Posted by logen99999

Hey guys, i have a specific question for you Phaez owners. i recently played a 65 amps London pro and was absolutely blown away by it. to my ears it was better sounding, feeling, responding then a Marshall JMP that my friend borrowed me. problem with the 65 amps london pro is that it's about 1800$

I was wondering if anyone here owned both a phaez and a 65 amps london, and if so would you say the quality is comparable? which phaez model would best compare to the amp. obviously no amp will perfectly mimic the 65 amps london pro but which phaez would you guys say is comparable? i am leaning towards the Sibly or the JTM/jericho since both the london and the JTM/Sibly are based on 60s marshall amps.

[onioner]

Cool thing about 65 is that all their amps are really distinctive, at least each I've gotten to play has been. I don't think there's really anything that sounds the same from any other amp maker. I'd say that if you really want an amp like the 65, save for it. If you just want an awesome amp, go for the Phaez.

[matmont1305]

Same response as everyone else, get what your heart desires.

The only boutique amp I've played is a Soldano, and it was a killer amp. But out of all the mass produced stuff I've played in guitar shops/mates houses etc. the Phaez has it all over them, at an equal or better price.

I suppose it comes down to how high you set your standards.

[kingedb]

Originally Posted by logen99999

Hey guys, i have a specific question for you Phaez owners. i recently played a 65 amps London pro and was absolutely blown away by it. to my ears it was better sounding, feeling, responding then a Marshall JMP that my friend borrowed me. problem with the 65 amps london pro is that it's about 1800$

I was wondering if anyone here owned both a phaez and a 65 amps london, and if so would you say the quality is comparable? which phaez model would best compare to the amp. obviously no amp will perfectly mimic the 65 amps london pro but which phaez would you guys say is comparable? i am leaning towards the Sibly or the JTM/jericho since both the london and the JTM/Sibly are based on 60s marshall amps.

Email Randy. He'll recommend the amp you're looking for. As mentioned it won't be the same. I do think you'll be satisfied though.

[Batman]

Originally Posted by kingedb

Email Randy. He'll recommend the amp you're looking for. As mentioned it won't be the same. I do think you'll be satisfied though.

+1

IMO, the great thing about my Phaez Daisycutter is the tone for dollar ratio (if there is such a thing) I can get a ton of Marshallesque tones out of it but it really does have its own sound. I have yet to find another amp for the same price that offers the complexity of tone this little amp provides.

Email Randy or PM him on this forum and tell him exactly what you are looking for in your amp.

[phaezamp]

Originally Posted by logen99999

Hey guys, i have a specific question for you Phaez owners. i recently played a 65 amps London pro and was absolutely blown away by it. to my ears it was better sounding, feeling, responding then a Marshall JMP that my friend borrowed me. problem with the 65 amps london pro is that it's about 1800$

I was wondering if anyone here owned both a phaez and a 65 amps london, and if so would you say the quality is comparable? which phaez model would best compare to the amp. obviously no amp will perfectly mimic the 65 amps london pro but which phaez would you guys say is comparable? i am leaning towards the Sibly or the JTM/jericho since both the london and the JTM/Sibly are based on 60s marshall amps.

$1850 is not a lot for a "lifetime" amp.
A london pro is actually a simple amp, and low gain. You can get a lot of overdrive but it'll be pretty loud as you are relying on solely the EL84's. I'm doubtful about the cascading of the EF86 channel into the 12AX7 channel, rarely that works because a high gain preamp is far different from 2 stand-alone preamps in series. I did a couple 2 channel EF86 and single 12AX7 amps - the ORION and the PROWLER.

I am sure the 65 is a very good amp! I doubt you'd be disappointed.
I am also sure that during a taste test between London Pro and one of my 18 watters, many would choose mine.

[logen99999]

Originally Posted by phaezamp

$1850 is not a lot for a "lifetime" amp.
A london pro is actually a simple amp, and low gain. You can get a lot of overdrive but it'll be pretty loud as you are relying on solely the EL84's. I'm doubtful about the cascading of the EF86 channel into the 12AX7 channel, rarely that works because a high gain preamp is far different from 2 stand-alone preamps in series. I did a couple 2 channel EF86 and single 12AX7 amps - the ORION and the PROWLER.

I am sure the 65 is a very good amp! I doubt you'd be disappointed.
I am also sure that during a taste test between London Pro and one of my 18 watters, many would choose mine.

thanks for the response.

BUT, with all due respect, how sure can you be if you have never played a London Pro?

[logen99999]

Originally Posted by Batman

Email Randy or PM him on this forum and tell him exactly what you are looking for in your amp.

once i am ready to buy, i definitely will do that.

At this point I feel like i want to take a month or two and scout around for a used London Pro for just over a grand if possible. if i cant find it in that price range i will order a phaez.

[phaezamp]

Originally Posted by logen99999

thanks for the response.

BUT, with all due respect, how sure can you be if you have never played a London Pro?

The London Pro is a very good amp, there is no doubt about it. But I know what a single EF86 pre or a single 12AX7 pre is capable of, regardless of what parts they are using. And it ain't enough for me, nor many other guys. There will be no tones in the JTM or Blackface camp, because there is no tonestack in either channel. I am also not a fan of power-scaling - I tune my preamps critically, and the voltages are critical. Power scaling starts reducing the power supply voltage which in turn reduces the preamp voltages which would result in something other than I intended.
I doubt the London Pro uses MercMag iron btw. But good stuff nonetheless, either Heyboer or Magnetic Components, both companies I use. MercMag ain't worth it anyways IMO.

I am not knocking 65, they make great amps! Their prices are quite fair. But they are NOT in another league sonically.

[redking]

Originally Posted by logen99999

once i am ready to buy, i definitely will do that.

At this point I feel like i want to take a month or two and scout around for a used London Pro for just over a grand if possible. if i cant find it in that price range i will order a phaez.

If I recall, the London Pro is a combo, so factor that in to the cost too. My Phaez rig cost me around $1,500 including the custom matching 2 x 12 cabinet from Voltage Cabs (another MLP vendor in Canada)

[iamjoe]

Speaker question,

Snowdog is in a 2x12 cabinet. I really want to try out the Scumback M75. SO if I order one, should I order a 16 or 8 ohm version. I will pair it up eventually with another speaker, the funds arent there to buy a pair.
How will changing the speaker impedance affect my amp? I though about ordering a 16 ohm version than another 16 ohm, connecting them in parallel and using the 8 ohm output of my amp. Same can be said if I use two 8 ohm speakers, I would just use the 4 ohm output.
So what is the difference between using the 4 the 8 or the 16 ohm outputs.

Thanks fellas

[logen99999]

Originally Posted by phaezamp

The London Pro is a very good amp, there is no doubt about it. But I know what a single EF86 pre or a single 12AX7 pre is capable of, regardless of what parts they are using. And it ain't enough for me, nor many other guys. There will be no tones in the JTM or Blackface camp, because there is no tonestack in either channel. I am also not a fan of power-scaling - I tune my preamps critically, and the voltages are critical. Power scaling starts reducing the power supply voltage which in turn reduces the preamp voltages which would result in something other than I intended.
I doubt the London Pro uses MercMag iron btw. But good stuff nonetheless, either Heyboer or Magnetic Components, both companies I use. MercMag ain't worth it anyways IMO.

I am not knocking 65, they make great amps! Their prices are quite fair. But they are NOT in another league sonically.

interesting stuff. thanks for the responses

one final question. Your site lists amp prices based on the head unite alone, no cab included (aside from the juggernaut). About how much would i have to add to the base price of each amp to have it ship to me with a head cab? would around 250$ be an good ballpark? The head cab would be the most basic/affordable design of course.

[phaezamp]

Originally Posted by logen99999

interesting stuff. thanks for the responses

one final question. Your site lists amp prices based on the head unite alone, no cab included (aside from the juggernaut). About how much would i have to add to the base price of each amp to have it ship to me with a head cab? would around 250$ be an good ballpark? The head cab would be the most basic/affordable design of course.

$250 max, AlexB could do something killer for less than that.

[wrc73]

Originally Posted by phaezamp

The London Pro is a very good amp, there is no doubt about it. But I know what a single EF86 pre or a single 12AX7 pre is capable of, regardless of what parts they are using. And it ain't enough for me, nor many other guys. There will be no tones in the JTM or Blackface camp, because there is no tonestack in either channel. I am also not a fan of power-scaling - I tune my preamps critically, and the voltages are critical. Power scaling starts reducing the power supply voltage which in turn reduces the preamp voltages which would result in something other than I intended.
I doubt the London Pro uses MercMag iron btw. But good stuff nonetheless, either Heyboer or Magnetic Components, both companies I use. MercMag ain't worth it anyways IMO.

I am not knocking 65, they make great amps! Their prices are quite fair. But they are NOT in another league sonically.

I'm pretty sure that the red line amps are using Magnetic Components transformers.

[JammerDean]

I have compared my Jaguar with 65 Amps Producer through the same speaker cabinet and using the same guitar. To my ears the Jag knocked the Producer away in cleans (the Hot Cat channel on the Jag), matched the crunch tones easily using the HRM channel on Mod pos 1 and killed the Producer in higher gain tones (HRM Channel mod 2). Similar tube setup in both heads, but the Producer is rated at 28 watts and the Jag at 50 watts.

The Jag had better touch sensitivity in the clean channel, but not quite as sensitive as the producer on the dirty side, however way more gain and compression, much earlier on. The Jag is definitely louder, but not by a lot. My cab has 2 x 102db spl Eminence Tonkerlites, so both heads were ear splitting loud.

I had to give this one to the Jaguar, and so did the owner of the Producer. Oh yes, and at less than 1/3 the cost of the producer.

[wrc73]

Originally Posted by JammerDean

I have compared my Jaguar with 65 Amps Producer through the same speaker cabinet and using the same guitar. To my ears the Jag knocked the Producer away in cleans (the Hot Cat channel on the Jag), matched the crunch tones easily using the HRM channel on Mod pos 1 and killed the Producer in higher gain tones (HRM Channel mod 2). Similar tube setup in both heads, but the Producer is rated at 28 watts and the Jag at 50 watts.

The Jag had better touch sensitivity in the clean channel, but not quite as sensitive as the producer on the dirty side, however way more gain and compression, much earlier on. The Jag is definitely louder, but not by a lot. My cab has 2 x 102db spl Eminence Tonkerlites, so both heads were ear splitting loud.

I had to give this one to the Jaguar, and so did the owner of the Producer. Oh yes, and at less than 1/3 the cost of the producer.

Damn, if info like this gets out Randy won't be able to keep up.

[DrakeZero]

Asheville arrived safe and sound and wow it sizzles. Sounds better then the JCA100HDM that I picked up. Guess that'll be going up for sale soon.

No back panel came with it, but I can always fix that later. Also to finally answer for all you strat users thinking about the asheville........it is good!

SRV on steroids would be the simplest terms for me lol.Should have ordered this model a long time ago.

[bluesymetalhead]

Anyone on the fence about a Phaez can come check out my Phaez Duophonic on Thursday (7/12) if they're around the Worcester, MA area. Playing the Black Sheep Tavern in sterling MA with my band Let It Bleed "a dirty Stones jam"!! It'll be my first gig with my Phaez and Sourmash cab, it's gonna rock so hard!! Come say hey and have a beer and hear an awesome boutique amp live and loud!!!

[singlecut]

Originally Posted by DrakeZero

Asheville arrived safe and sound and wow it sizzles. Sounds better then the JCA100HDM that I picked up. Guess that'll be going up for sale soon.

No back panel came with it, but I can always fix that later. Also to finally answer for all you strat users thinking about the asheville........it is good!

SRV on steroids would be the simplest terms for me lol.Should have ordered this model a long time ago.

having been able to play the 1st 1 made i can tell you it's a great amp

[logen99999]

Originally Posted by redking

If I recall, the London Pro is a combo, so factor that in to the cost too. My Phaez rig cost me around $1,500 including the custom matching 2 x 12 cabinet from Voltage Cabs (another MLP vendor in Canada)

it's actually sold in both a combo and head

[onioner]

Originally Posted by DrakeZero

Asheville arrived safe and sound and wow it sizzles. ...Should have ordered this model a long time ago.

Still getting to know mine. Today I opened up the master, to just past six, then dialed back the gain to what passes for 'clean'. Hit it with a clean boost, and... yup. That was some good stuff. Ridiculous harmonics and highly controllable feedback.

Not sure I have the right speaker pairing though. Got a couple of Weber Greenback clones, one w/ the 55hz cone, the other standard 75. I really like this cab with the Corona, but I thought it would be great with the Asheville too. Maybe not. Gonna try a couple of their Derek Trucks ten inchers. I'm curious about them anyways. I'll see.

[DrakeZero]

Originally Posted by onioner

Still getting to know mine. Today I opened up the master, to just past six, then dialed back the gain to what passes for 'clean'. Hit it with a clean boost, and... yup. That was some good stuff. Ridiculous harmonics and highly controllable feedback.

Not sure I have the right speaker pairing though. Got a couple of Weber Greenback clones, one w/ the 55hz cone, the other standard 75. I really like this cab with the Corona, but I thought it would be great with the Asheville too. Maybe not. Gonna try a couple of their Derek Trucks ten inchers. I'm curious about them anyways. I'll see.

I run a 4x12 with WGS Invaders and Liberators. Sounds killer through that.

[redking]

Originally Posted by wrc73

Damn, if info like this gets out Randy won't be able to keep up.

Yeah... damn - I'm already considering ordering a SIBLY - as if I need more reason to purchase!!

[G Man]

PSA: Phaez Daisycutter on Hartford, CT CL

Phaez Daisycutter hand wired amp head

[logen99999]

Question for you phaez owners. I am in contact with a MLP member who is selling his Lightning Cutter. daisycutter + matchless lighting. he states the amp is a 30 watter with 2 el84s. is this accurate? i feel he might be mistaken since i believe i've seen another lightning cutter somewhere on here which was only 18 watts, plus is i dont believe it's even possible to make a 30 watt amp with only 2 el84s, that's assuming this amp is a class A amp. my circuit knowledge tapers off here, what do you guys think?

thanks

[redking]

Originally Posted by logen99999

Question for you phaez owners. I am in contact with a MLP member who is selling his Lightning Cutter. daisycutter + matchless lighting. he states the amp is a 30 watter with 2 el84s. is this accurate? i feel he might be mistaken since i believe i've seen another lightning cutter somewhere on here which was only 18 watts, plus is i dont believe it's even possible to make a 30 watt amp with only 2 el84s, that's assuming this amp is a class A amp. my circuit knowledge tapers off here, what do you guys think?

thanks

If it's Rosco, he's definitely not misleading you in any way...he's just forgetting because he doesn't have Rich constantly reminding him what is in his amp anymore...

I think 2 EL84's should get you around 18 watts, and 4 EL84's should get you around 36 watts, but I'm not the definitive source for this info... I think Rosco's Lightning Cutter is 4 x EL84 if I remember when he got it correctly because I was looking at the same amp and he beat me to it.

If it's not Rosco, my apologies to the Mustachioed Minstrel... but he does tend to forget what he's got under the hood from time to time because he's too busy playing tasty licks and watching the Bruins...