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Old 11-10-2015, 05:51 AM   #1
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Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

Hi guys,

I'm not sure if anyone on here can help but my Dad's owned and old Les Paul for years. We think its either a 58 or 59 but we aren't sure As I was the only one who actually plays I was interested to know a little more about the guitar.

There isn't a serial no on the back of the head stock unfortunately and I was wondering if there was any other way to identify what year the guitar might be?

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Old 11-10-2015, 06:15 AM   #2
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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

The only way to find out is by uploading loads of out of focus pictures and letting the forum argue about it and call you a liar. If you are not a liar we begrudgingly apologize
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:16 AM   #3
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The only way to find out is by uploading loads of out of focus pictures and letting the forum argue about it and call you a liar. If you are not a liar we begrudgingly apologize
Ha ha that's funny. I'll grab some pics tonight when I'm back from work. Hopefully you guys might be able to help. We shall see.

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My question to you Paul would be what makes you think its a 58 or a 59? When exactly did your dad buy it? Are there any indications of a neck or headstock repair?
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My question to you Paul would be what makes you think its a 58 or a 59? When exactly did your dad buy it? Are there any indications of a neck or headstock repair?
It's definitely an old one with what feels like a 58 neck and it has grovers on the head stock so they were obviously changed at some point. I'm not sure but I don't think its the original neck either.

It's hard to know really as you only have info that people have told you. My dad bought it around 94-95 from a guy who owned it. He dealt in guitars but this was his own one for many years. Unfortunately its in need of some work to it the bridge is jacked up so high as through the years the wood has worn away underneath where it sits on one side. It plays but not very well.

I'll post some pics later tonight anyway. I'd be keen to know what you all think.

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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

Perhaps you could tell us when your dad bought the guitar? You've been a member here 5 years and know a lot about the VOS/historic stuff. Give us some more background detail ie what is the case like, is there a little bump where the headstock meets the neck and so on...........
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It's definitely an old one with what feels like a 58 neck and it has grovers on the head stock so they were obviously changed at some point. I'm not sure but I don't think its the original neck either.

It's hard to know really as you only have info that people have told you. My dad bought it around 94-95 from a guy who owned it. He dealt in guitars but this was his own one for many years. Unfortunately its in need of some work to it the bridge is jacked up so high as through the years the wood has worn away underneath where it sits on one side. It plays but not very well.

I'll post some pics later tonight anyway. I'd be keen to know what you all think.

Thanks again

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Is it a Standard we are talking about?
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Is it a Standard we are talking about?
It is a standard yes, sorry I meant to put that in that in the title.
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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

This is sort of like the early stages of foreplay.

We're sort of messing around on the edges here, when in actual fact we just want to make a bee line for her knickers.





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Old 11-10-2015, 02:29 PM   #11
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This is sort of like the early stages of foreplay.

We're sort of messing around on the edges here, when in actual fact we just want to make a bee line for her knickers.





Ha ha I was trying to create a build up here. Just uploading some pics sorry my internet connection is really bad tonight its taking forever.

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Old 11-10-2015, 02:55 PM   #12
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Ok here you go guys, some pics for you all to have a look at. Let me know your thoughts.










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Old 11-10-2015, 03:30 PM   #15
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Ok here you go guys, some pics for you all to have a look at. Let me know your thoughts.
16 1/2 fret neck joint?
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Old 11-10-2015, 03:37 PM   #17
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16 1/2 fret neck joint?
I'm not sure. Is that something I can measure?
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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

I wouldn't worry about measuring anything, it doesn't look like a '50s LP from those photos.
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I wouldn't worry about measuring anything, it doesn't look like a '50s LP from those photos.
Really? Interesting so what year do you think it could be from?
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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

IMO - It's not a Gibson.

Neck joint off.
Logo is wonky
Lower horn doesn't look like it has the correct angle. i.e., the mouth is too "open".
Body carve doesn't look like from the 50s.

Hope I'm wrong.
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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

Yep, Gibson Logo is all wrong. The Heel looks unusual to me as well as a number of other things.

Please take a an accurate pic of the Cavity with the Back Plate off. That would be interesting to see. Thanks.

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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

Cool looking guitar I've nothing much to add beyond the comments already made- there's lots I don't like, and some details I do- cavity shots would be interesting as noted.
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Yep, Gibson Logo is all wrong. The Heel looks unusual to me as well as a number of other things.

Please take a an accurate pic of the Cavity with the Back Plate off. That would be interesting to see. Thanks.

Which back plate do you mean? Pickup switch? or pots?
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Which back plate do you mean? Pickup switch? or pots?
I'd do both but the main one is the Plate under the Pots.

You'd also take pics of the underneath of the PU's & the PU routs.

It all adds to the information re helping to identify your Guitar.

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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

Pots. They usually have a date stamp you can use to guess the age of the instrument (or at least the age of the pots). It would also be great if you could pull one of the pickups (if you're comfortable doing that) and flip it over to see what they are.

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re: Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

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I'm not sure. Is that something I can measure?
What he means is, the neck joint appears to be set between the 16th and 17th frets, on the base side (the side with the pickup selector switch).

In any event, there are a lot of iffy things about this guitar. And more detailed pics are needed. Specifically of the control (volume/tone) and even the pickup cavities, in order to make any further judgments. Btw, is the binding in the cutaway thick or thin?
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Right ok here ya go guys. Not much going on inside I'm afraid. The neck pickup has nothing on the back, the bridge pickup has "Patent Applied For" as you'd expect right? No serial no's or anything. I couldn't get the the bridge pickup out fully as the wire connecting to the pots is pretty tight.

I should probably mention the pickup covers were not on when I got the guitar originally my dad ended up putting them back on. The neck pickup was a zebra PAF and the bridge was a white humbucker of some sort I reckon this was replaced at some point.








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