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Old 09-10-2014, 01:32 AM   #1
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Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

This has slipped under the radar for many people overseas.

For those who don't know, Scotland is about to hold a referendum on whether to leave the UK and become an independent country.

At the moment, opinion polls are showing 51% for and 49% against.

If the yes vote wins, the 300+ year union of Scotland & England will end, and may even mean the end of the Union Jack flag.




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Scottish independence referendum, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If Scotland votes for independence: the key questions answered | Politics | The Guardian
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Old 09-10-2014, 01:37 AM   #2
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

I'm hoping it passes.

I'll betcha William Wallace is too.

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Old 09-10-2014, 01:45 AM   #3
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Took you lot long enough to notice.
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I'm hoping it passes.

Have you actually looked into the ramifications of the 'Yes' side winning?
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Took you lot long enough to notice.

What's the Scottish version of a Plastic Paddy? I expect a lot of them to come crawling out of the woodwork.........
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Have you actually looked into the ramifications of the 'Yes' side winning?
Like a possible mortgage meltdown, currency adoption, and other market issues? Yep.

We Scots are a tough bunch, been waiting for this for centuries.
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

Will Scotland relinquish their paper towel division to England if they secede?
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

Good for them! I lost track of Wales and just what are those buggers up to?
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

I myself would love for Scotland to stay in the union, but who could blame them for wanting to be in charge of their own destiny and break the shackles of Westminster.

The other posters on here are right, the ramifications of Scotland leaving the union are huge.
The political landscape of the British Isles will change forever regardless if Scotland secedes or not.

I wish them all the best....ya bastids.
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"Mr. Hadrian, tear down this wall."..........
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Good for them! I lost track of Wales and just what are those buggers up to?
They're still showing an unhealthy interest in sheep.
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Who gets the north sea oil?
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

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Like a possible mortgage meltdown, currency adoption, and other market issues? Yep.

There are significantly more issues than those.



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We Scots are a tough bunch, been waiting for this for centuries.

You're Scottish? What, exactly, is your connection to Scotland?

If you were Scots you wouldn't be claiming that the Scots have been waiting for this for centuries because they haven't. Some have, others haven't.

And Scotland prospered under the Union in a way in which it wouldn't have had it not been part of the United Kingdom.
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Good for them! I lost track of Wales and just what are those buggers up to?

They're still doing what Taffs do, shagging sheep.





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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

I been following this but was afraid to bring it up because, well...
never mind...
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I myself would love for Scotland to stay in the union, but who could blame them for wanting to be in charge of their own destiny and break the shackles of Westminster.
But they plan to stay in the EU which means they will be ruled from Brussels. That part of it makes no sense to me, none whatsoever.
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

Colchar, I take it that the Scots would still recognize the House of Windsor as the rightful royalty of Scotland and England? Or would they opt for the Stuarts?
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Who gets the north sea oil?

Scotland would get a percentage of whatever is left but how it will be divided has yet to be determined. If divided geographically based on the physical location of the oil Scotland would get about 90% of it. If divided by population they would only get 9%. So the number will fall somewhere between those two.

Traditionally, international agreements tend to be worked out based on the physical location of the resource but, as with so much else in this situation, there is no way to know how, exactly, things will work out and how the oil will be divided.
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Colchar, I take it that the Scots would still recognize the House of Windsor as the rightful royalty of Scotland and England? Or would they opt for the Stuarts?

They have said they plan to retain the monarchy as it is.
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

I think Scotland -and the rest of the UK- would be better off as part of the UK but then again, they were a different nation not that long ago. They chose to join and now they could choose to leave. In fact, Scotland nationalism is more justified than other European nationalistic sentiment on the grounds shared above.
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How about The *** for a new name! stands for the Former UK
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

I honestly believe (as a Scotsman living in England) that the risk is too great for too little reward.

Leavingt he Union will mean Scotland taking on it's share of the UK national debt, and having to fund an entirely new military infrastructure.
Many of the huge multinational companies with prescence in Scotland intend to relocate many of their resources, potentioal leading to widescale unemployment.
Scottish Oil reserves are microscopic in comparison to Norway the country it seeks to emulate, and the intention to divert amassive amount of the oile revenue from these reserves directly to England and other parts of Europe means that Tax revenue could be severely reduced if not properly policed.


I'm not sure what the Yes voters expect to happen. Scotland already has 100% free healthcare, free education right the way up to University level etc.... The best case scenario for scotland is that ntohing changes. But the risk is, if one side of the economic analysis is correct then Scotland risks losing all of the benefits they currently enjoy.

It saddens me to think that there are so many morons jumping onto the yes bandwagon out of resentment bred into them by things like the "historical epic" Bravheart that they risk destroying the futures of future generations becasue they are too poorly educated to propetrly weigh up the risks.

I'll be claiming my second passport in 2016 if the yes vote goes through, giving me dual nationality. Then I'm going to move to Eyemoputh (which is still in commuting distance for my job) so I can walk away from my debts in "THe UK".

There will be an awfuil lot of Debt ridden Scots do it the opposite way round,t hat's going to make things worse.

There's this perception that "Whitehall" is leeching from the Scottish people. Scotland get more money from England than it sends to England, having looked at all of the figures I can get hold of I cant for the life of me see the books balancing properly if they split.

Sadly all of the economic sources available to the layaman are firmly associated with one side of the other meaning the voting public are more often than voting based on personal bias and the words of Mel Gibson rather than voting based on actual data. You CAN'T make an informed decision that way.
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I honestly believe (as a Scotsdman living in England) that the risk is too great for too little reward.

Leavingt he Union will mean Scotland taking on it's share of the UK national debt, and having to fund an entirely new military infrastructure.
Many of the huge multinational companies with prescence in Scotland intend to relocate many of their resources, potentioal leading to widescale unemployment.
Scottish Oil reserves are microscopic in comparison to Norway the country it seeks to emulate, and the intention to divert amassive amount of the oile revenue from these reserves directly to England and other parts of Europe means that Tax revenue could be severely reduced if not properly policed.


I'm not sure what the Yes voters expect to happen. Scotland already has 100% free healthcare, free education right the way up to University level etc.... The best case scenario for scotland is that ntohing changes. But the risk is, if one side of the economic analysis is correct then Scotland risks losing all of the benefits they currently enjoy.

It saddens me to think that there are so many morons jumping onto the yes bandwagon out of resentment bred into them by things like the "historical epic" Bravheart that they risk destroying the futures of future generations becasue they are too poorly educated to propetrly weigh up the risks.

I'll be claiming my second passport in 2016 if the yes vote goes through, giving me dual nationality. Then I'm going to move to Eyemoputh (which is still in commuting distance for my job) so I can walk away from my debts in "THe UK".

There will be an awfuil lot of Debt ridden Scots do it the opposite way round,t hat's going to make things worse.

There's this perception that "Whitehall" is leeching from the Scottish people. Scotland get more money from England than it sends to England, having looked at all of the figures I can get hold of I cant for the life of me see the books balancing properly if they split.

Sadly all of the economic sources available to the layaman are firmly associated with one side of the other meaning the voting public are more often than voting based on personal bias and the words of Mel Gibson rather than voting based on actual data. You CAN'T make an informed decision that way.
Great post. I too believe it will be a NO vote on those financial grounds alone, But I'm just wondering if the first minister Alex Salmond has played a blinder here knowing that the NO vote will happen!.
The government has promised a swathe of self governing offers to make Scotland stay in the union, It'll be Devo-Max but still tied to the coat tails of Westminster.
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What's the Scottish version of a Plastic Paddy? I expect a lot of them to come crawling out of the woodwork.........

You didn't just dis the greatest Scottish invention after the breakfast sausage did you?

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I been following this but was afraid to bring it up because, well...
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Are the internal politics of another country on the Verboten list also?
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

An interesting view on the whole issue:

Labour Pains, Labour of Love |

It's a long article, but very well written, albeit from the point of view of 'Yes' being the best option.
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Are the internal politics of another country on the Verboten list also?
It depends on how the thread will continue.....
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Re: Scotland voting on whether to leave the United Kingdom

Will an independent Scotland continue to use the Pound, or the Euro?

Either way, no control of the currency will make independence a tough row to hoe.

I see this as equivalent to the US south leaving the United States.
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