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Old 05-06-2012, 11:12 AM   #1
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1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Hi everyone!

I am new to this forum Forgive me if I am posting this in the wrong place but I have a question about a 1977 Gibson Les Paul Standard and a 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9. I was wondering which one is best. I really enjoy playing Led Zeppelin songs and I'd like a guitar that could sound relatively close to Page's sound. Now I know that I can't get exactly his sound but I would like a good guitar to play Led Zep songs. I have a Marshall Class 5 amp and I use Monster cables. I also have the Ibanez turbo tube screamer pedal.

I've done some research on vintage Les Pauls but I am not sure if 1977 is a good year for Les Pauls. I also know that the 90's are sometimes referred to as the good wood years.

I am torn between a 1977 Les Paul Standard and a 1996 Les Paul R9. What are the key differences and which guitar would be best to play Led Zeppelin songs?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

either or would be fine...I would chose the '96 regardless as it has the long neck tenon.
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either or would be fine...I would chose the '96 regardless as it has the long neck tenon.
Thank you! I really love the '96 R9!
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Have you had the chance to play either of them? I would go that route instead of ordering something based off paper specs..

You might be missing out on a great player either way by going on our or a strangers opinion

You want that guitar in your hands - that's the only way I feel.

and Norlin era Les Pauls are great guitars..
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:27 AM   #5
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Have you had the chance to play either of them? I would go that route instead of ordering something based off paper specs..

You might be missing out on a great player either way by going on our or a strangers opinion

You want that guitar in your hands - that's the only way I feel.

and Norlin era Les Pauls are great guitars..
No, I have not had the chance to play either of them. I am in Canada and both guitars are in the US. I agree, playing them is the best way to decide. Just wish I could.

The '77 is in great shape. Its also less expensive than the '96 R9...such a tough decision!

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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

L & M usually have a decent selection of R9's in stock...you could go and test drive a couple if you live near enough to one of their shops.
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L & M usually have a decent selection of R9's in stock...you could go and test drive a couple if you live near enough to one of their shops.
True. I can do that. Thanks
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Personally I love the '70s standards, and customs even more. But an R9 is always hard to turn down.

If both in good shape they should both sound and feel great. If one grabs you more on looks I'd get that just so don't have second thoughts later.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

I've personally never played an R9 that I didn't like.

While quite a few of the 70's LP's I've played have been great, not all of them really felt right.

Without playing them first, I'd probably go for the R9.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

I'd go with the R9.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Lolz that having to pick between the Norlin section and the Historic/Reissue section you choose the vintage.

IMO - the biggest difference is the neck and whether the 77 has original t-tops
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Lolz that having to pick between the Norlin section and the Historic/Reissue section you choose the vintage.

IMO - the biggest difference is the neck and whether the 77 has original t-tops
Agreed. T-Tops + Kalamazoo = Win
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Thank you everyone for your help. I think that I'll get both just to be safe. I don't want to miss out lol Both guitars have return policies so I can always return one
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

77 Standard will sound brighter and more focused than R9. Probably will be much more heavier in weight and less resonant too cause of the denser mahogany and maple neck. Very different guitars really.

I would buy R9.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

I would take an R9 over a 1977 Les Paul in a heartbeat! I've owned a few built in the late 1970s, and while there are some good ones out there, I've never found one. From a re-sale perspective a 1996 R6 also wins. You've been given some good advice here, probably the best advice, would be to try out a similar guitar, if you don't have access to the one you're interested in. The R9s have a bigger neck than a 1970s Les Paul, and you should be certain that you'll be comfortable with the size of a larger neck profile. Best of luck in your search, for many of us here, the search never ends.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Ok so the 1977 is not a continuation (if you will) of the 1959 model? If I want a vintage sounding guitar for Led Zep songs I am better off with an R9. Correct?

Thank you all so much for your help! I am learning so much
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Ok so the 1977 is not a continuation (if you will) of the 1959 model? If I want a vintage sounding guitar for Led Zep songs I am better off with an R9. Correct?

Thank you all so much for your help! I am learning so much
Actually, the 77 Les Paul would give you the classic 1970's Led Zep sound since Page put in a T-top in 1972 when his bridge PAF died in Australia.

That if the 1977 still has the original pups.
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Actually, the 77 Les Paul would give you the classic 1970's Led Zep sound since Page put in a T-top in 1972 when his bridge PAF died in Australia.

That if the 1977 still has the original pups.
It is all original except for reissue knobs and Grover tuners (which I wanted anyway). I really want that vintage Led Zep sound.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

If postage / return costs aren't hideous then I would say order both and return the one you like least. No substitute for playing 'em to make a decision.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Oh - and post a comparison 'quick test' if you do ...
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It is all original except for reissue knobs and Grover tuners (which I wanted anyway). I really want that vintage Led Zep sound.
Then get the nawwwwlins!!!!
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

That's quite a cost variance. A '77 Standard in good shape should be around $1,800. Whereas a '96 R9 could pull easily pull $4k depending on the top.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

wrong section this should be in norlin years or the historic section.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

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If postage / return costs aren't hideous then I would say order both and return the one you like least. No substitute for playing 'em to make a decision.
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Oh - and post a comparison 'quick test' if you do ...
Yeah, I think that's my best option. I will definitely post pics as soon as I receive them. I will also post a comparison 'quick test'

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Then get the nawwwwlins!!!!
LOL I hear ya! Its definitely calling to me

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That's quite a cost variance. A '77 Standard in good shape should be around $1,800. Whereas a '96 R9 could pull easily pull $4k depending on the top.
Yes, I agree. There is about a 2K difference between the ones that I am looking at. However,I don't really understand why the value of the '77 is so low.

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wrong section this should be in norlin years or the historic section.
I apologize. I'll post in the right section next time.
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However,I don't really understand why the value of the '77 is so low.
It's because you don't know what you're going to get with a Norlin. Playability is all over the map. I highly recommend playing before buying.

Historics are more consistent in quality.
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It's because you don't know what you're going to get with a Norlin. Playability is all over the map. I highly recommend playing before buying.

Historics are more consistent in quality.

What he said
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A 77 Custom will be brighter than the R9, due to the ebony board and maple neck. It'll weigh a couple of pounds more, too. Norlins can go up to 13lbs, most R9's are in the 9-11lb bracket.
I would go with the R9.
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Everyone, thank you so much for your help! I have decided to purchase both. It will be easier to decide after I have played them. May even keep them both
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Re: 1977 Gisbon Les Paul Standard vs. 1996 Gibson Les Paul R9

Well here's my logic Jimmy Page played 1959 Les Paul so go for the R9.
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Everyone, thank you so much for your help! I have decided to purchase both. It will be easier to decide after I have played them. May even keep them both
That's the best decision because you can return them both. Good luck and have fun with them.
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