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Old 04-05-2012, 02:15 AM   #1
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Just got a Custom with Richlite???

I just bought a brand new Les Paul Custom with I thought an Ebony board and after I got it home it just didnt look right . I was just a tad curious about the fretboard because of all I have been reading. I called the dealer, who called Gibson and they said the board was Richlite. What the heck is that??
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Re: Just got a Custom with Richlite???

There's nothing wrong with Richlite on a $500 MIM Martin acoustic, but on a Les Paul Custom it just seems so so inappropriate.
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There's nothing wrong with Richlite on a $500 MIM Martin acoustic, but on a Les Paul Custom it just seems so so inappropriate.
There is no ebony - so what do you propose? Most people are having aneurisms because they are putting maple on it.
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There's nothing wrong with Richlite on a $500 MIM Martin acoustic, but on a Les Paul Custom it just seems so so inappropriate.
Doesn't Richlite cost more to produce than ebony?
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The guitar is total trash. Please send it to me for disposal.

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Doesn't Richlite cost more to produce than ebony?
It costs nothing to produce ebony. It grows on trees.
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It costs nothing to produce ebony. It grows on trees.
Yeah, here's some branches fresh from the tree. They even grow with the fret-slots exactly where they need to be for good intonation. How 'bout that?

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Old 04-05-2012, 04:45 AM   #8
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Re: Just got a Custom with Richlite???

Also, from another thread on this topic:

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With all due respect, DanL, but you should do your homework before making statements like this. Let's go to the source of the woods, Luthiers Mercantile International:

A Premium West African Ebony fingerboard costs $26.15 in single quantities (Ebony Fingerboard - Information and Pricing at LMI)

Where's your $500-$1000 Ebony?

If you look further, you'll see that Indian Rosewood is $10.40 and Rock Maple is $15.60 in single quantities. By processing the Maple to obtain Baked Maple, Gibson incurs an additional cost which puts it closer to and likely more expensive than Ebony. How about Richlite? It costs $12/sq.ft. in 1/4" (6mm) thickness (Richlite Products: Richlite FSC Cost). A LP fingerboard is about 36 sq.in., which amounts to about $3 worth of Richlite. I'm guessing it's more expensive to mold the material into fingerboards than into sheets, but perhaps that adds $1 or so.

The bulk of the tonewood cost in a Les Paul comes from the Mahogany back ($135.10), Mahogany neck ($79.95), and the Maple top ($138.45 for AA to $201.75 for AAAA Figured). Clearly the fingerboard cost "savings" you refer to are small at best! Going to Richlite results in a $22 savings on a LP Custom (no Maple top) with an approximate total tonewood cost of $215.

The labor cost is actually the largest overall, far exceeding any tonewood costs. It makes the whole fingerboard cost argument look silly, doesn't it?
The price difference between Richlite and ebony would appear to be less than 1% of the cost of the guitar.
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Richlite looks great, sounds great, will last a lifetime and that is all that matters.
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Re: Just got a Custom with Richlite???

I wouldn't be scared of it, though I wish they'd drop the price a bit.

Whatever...maybe in a couple years when they start back up with the ebony, these will be within reach for my broke ass on the used market!
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I wouldn't be scared of it, though I wish they'd drop the price a bit.

Whatever...maybe in a couple years when they start back up with the ebony, these will be within reach for my broke ass on the used market!
I wouldn't be so sure?

If that does happen, then Richlite-equipped Custom will somehow become "rare gems" (or, at least that's what dealers will say), thus driving up prices.
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Re: Just got a Custom with Richlite???

I played a Martin 12-string a few weeks back that had a Richlite board, and it was outstanding. When you consider that any tonal issues would be much more problematic on an acoustic guitar, the fact that it sounds good in that context makes me think it'll be fine for these Gibsons. I do wish that they'd give it a new model name or identifier, rather than just call it a Custom.

Here's the Martin I played. It was a fine instrument, and had a great tone, one of the nicest 12-string tones I've heard, deep and throaty :

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I wouldn't be so sure?

If that does happen, then Richlite-equipped Custom will somehow become "rare gems" (or, at least that's what dealers will say), thus driving up prices.
Oh no, I mean far enough down the road that they're all sold out and are just weird used guitars from Gibson's Dark Ages that are poo-pooed for not being vintage correct, not necessessarily 30 years down the road when something like a 1pc backed LPC with a fast, rock-solid 3pc maple neck sells for 3k nowdadays.

...know what I mean?
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I played a Martin 12-string a few weeks back that had a Richlite board, and it was outstanding. When you consider that any tonal issues would be much more problematic on an acoustic guitar, the fact that it sounds good in that context makes me think it'll be fine for these Gibsons. I do wish that they'd give it a new model name or identifier, rather than just call it a Custom.

Here's the Martin I played. It was a fine instrument, and had a great tone, one of the nicest 12-string tones I've heard, deep and throaty :

Oh look, a member with hands on experience talking facts! Careful, Thump, or more members may try this.
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There is no ebony - so what do you propose? Most people are having aneurisms because they are putting maple on it.
BS , there is plenty of Ebony available.
Gibson is just reserving it for their Historic builds at this time and force feeding everyone else who buys the Gibson USA models to accept their other forms of material they choose to experiment with at this time.
Until they fire the losers in their purchasing department who screwed up everything and got themselves in a legal dispute with the government , they are in a bind.
So they figured out the historical correct buyers will want the Ebony and Rosewood on their Historic guitars and keep the price inflated for more profits for them and people will pay for it.
Meanwhile on their Gibson USA guitars that also leaves the door open for other materials they can start using and make more profit again.
It's a win-win situation for Gibson.
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Yeah, here's some branches fresh from the tree. They even grow with the fret-slots exactly where they need to be for good intonation. How 'bout that?

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BS , there is plenty of Ebony available.
Gibson is just reserving it for their Historic builds at this time and force feeding everyone else who buys the Gibson USA models to accept their other forms of material they choose to experiment with at this time.
Les Paul Customs are not made by USA, they are made by the custom shop.
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I'm not positive this was/could be directed at me, but I used to work at a Martin dealer and remember when they started introducing Richlite as a FB material. Over a period of about a year comparing very similar models (same size, body/neck woods, bracing etc.) with Richlite and Ebony boards I found the ones with Richlite usually sounded thinner and more pronounced in the upper-mids. I also noticed after comparing various examples there seemed to be a lot less "depth" in the low end. Not necessarily a bad thing, some players may dig this. PERSONALLY, FROM EXPERIENCE I prefer the feel and tone of Ebony.
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There is no ebony - so what do you propose? Most people are having aneurisms because they are putting maple on it.
I would propose a fretboard made of actual wood.
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Re: Just got a Custom with Richlite???

Traditionalist could always find some used Customs with ebony, ABR-1 and all that sweet stuff.
Forums like this caused many problems to newbies and others making cults and guitar churches. Beware whom you're gonna obey.
Customs should have ebony fingerboards. At least for a reason we all used to listen about those famous guitars.
Maybe ebony is not important for the sound, but hey, dozen of other parts are not, too. But still they form Gibson Les Paul.
Or else someday they wish they would be as rare as LP Artist or Recording.
The time will show.
I am still gonna keep mine ABR/rosewood/mahogany combo.
And if I am lucky enough I will grab some ebony, too.
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Les Paul Customs are not made by USA, they are made by the custom shop.

Then if we are talking about a Historic Custom 57 or 68 and not having the traditional Ebony fretboard then Gibson is totally misleading everyone.
How can it be Historically correct design if they never used Maple or plywood rosewood fretboards in the first place ?
If we are talking about the Classic Custom LP then that's a different ball game all together.
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No Historics are Historically correct anyways.
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over 20 posts in this thread and no one asked OP for pics of his new custom! tsk, tsk...
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No Historics are Historically correct anyways.
Not perfect no , but at least they started out using the correct wood when they started Historic Division line of guitars.
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yep, we need pics!
then we can argue about the pics
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Cork sniffers, the lot of ya!

Why can't you just let the man play his guitar in peace?
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Cork sniffers, the lot of ya!

Why can't you just let the man play his guitar in peace?
Because he's obviously in confusion about his Richlite fretboard material and needs a cork sniffers advise.
Or the truth that Gibson just shafted someone who bought a Historic guitar with a non historical correct fretboard wood installed on it for the inflated coin they just got from him on that purchase.
If it is a 57 or 68 Historic RI , i would take it back and get a Historic with the correct fretboard wood (ebony) or spend a lot less and get a Gibson USA model and save the coin for something else.
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There is no ebony -
I'm calling bull**** twice.

1) Why did you think it was an ebony fingerboard? Did you ask? Did you look at it before you handed over that much money? Have you been under a rock for the past half-year?

2) No ebony? - please.
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Surely this isn't a custom shop "custom" with richlite?!

Can the OP show us pics of what he actually bought? Maybe it's a USA guitar like the classic custom. They use baked maple on those, perhaps they started using richlite too?..
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