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Old 01-31-2012, 01:19 PM   #1
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Recording a Rock Band

I am going to produce/record a band this weekend....well, I mean we're starting to track this weekend. I'm pretty excited because the band is very good, we've got a great room to record in, and I'm bringing out all of my "big guns" equipment.
That band is pretty heavy rock...similar to perhaps Breaking Benjamin or Theory of a Dead Man.
Anyway, if the band doesn't mind I think it might be fun and educational if I do a sort of recording diary thread....what do you think? Anybody interested?
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Definitely interested!

I just did a few REALLY basic recordings of the latest incarnation of the band I used to be in this weekend. They weren't really interested in doing anything more than sticking a mic in the middle of the room and recording each song in one take. The positioning of the equipment was limiting as well, so they didn't turn out too well. I just gave them the raw recordings, and that's all they were interested in, but I'm going to see if I can play with some filtering and stuff to make them sound better. It'll just be some blind experimenting though.

I'm hoping to get the chance to go back and do some real recordings with them in a couple weeks. I'm torn though, because I'm really interested in doing it for the experience, but at the same time, I don't want to just offer my services for free. I did the recordings this weekend for free (other than the $10 the drummer has owed me for forever and the guitar stand that I never took with me when I left). I want to offer to do one song the right way for free, but then charge for any song after that, but then I know that they'll just want the free one and nothing more...
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Old 01-31-2012, 04:21 PM   #3
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Sounds cool Freddy. I have a project on the go as well would be kind of neat to share whats going on. Is it OK if we post clips in this thread?


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I'd be absolutely interested! Looking forward to it!!
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:11 PM   #5
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Sounds cool Freddy. I have a project on the go as well would be kind of neat to share whats going on. Is it OK if we post clips in this thread?


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You know we all want that recording diary thread...
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Freddy, I'd certainly subscribe that thread. Hell yeah.
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Please do!
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Sounds cool! I will subscribe!
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Great I'll try to get a clip up tonight. Nothing with vox yet been working on guitars the past few nights. Drums are down on most as well as bass and guitar. Still have a long way to go.
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

So many times on this forum (usually in Luthier's Corner) people have commented on how clean, tidy and organized my shop is. Well for the past couple of days I have been checking and testing every piece of audio recording equipment that I'm going to use to record the band this weekend. The band's name is "Crutch" BTW.
Anyway, this is one time where my shop looks like a tornado came through
So I just took my camera and did a walk around filming everything that is on the bench and being tested.
This vid style is actually inspired by that awesome Neil Young's Studio vid that Nicolas posted.

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So many times on this forum (usually in Luthier's Corner) people have commented on how clean, tidy and organized my shop is. Well for the past couple of days I have been checking and testing every piece of audio recording equipment that I'm going to use to record the band this weekend. The band's name is "Crutch" BTW.
Anyway, this is one time where my shop looks like a tornado came through
So I just took my camera and did a walk around filming everything that is on the bench and being tested.
This vid style is actually inspired by that awesome Neil Young's Studio vid that Nicolas posted.

Producing the band "Crutch" Part 1 - YouTube
great thread
looks like the band is in for a treat.
waiting for updates
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Freddy that place is a palace compared to mine. Good luck with the tracking.
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

So Freddy, what is the story with the Origin stuff? I assume you are involved with it since I see your email on the website. Is there a pricelist for any of this stuff?... I am a sucker for a compressor.

Looks like you are going to have a fun weekend with the Crutch fellas. I am envious.
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So Freddy, what is the story with the Origin stuff? I assume you are involved with it since I see your email on the website. Is there a pricelist for any of this stuff?... I am a sucker for a compressor.

Looks like you are going to have a fun weekend with the Crutch fellas. I am envious.
The Origin stuff is all handbuilt by me. When I started building this stuff my mission statement was to build the best gear I could, money no object. I sell some of it here and there, but unless I can move into production mode I'm afraid it's very time consuming for me to do. But for example I've been selling the compressors (OA-2B) for just a bit more than $3000.

And yeah, I'm a sucker for a compressor too. I think I could record and mix an entire project with no EQ if I had to, but I have to have compression.

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The Origin stuff is all handbuilt by me. When I started building this stuff my mission statment was to build the best gear I could, money no object. I sell some of it here and there, but unless I can move into production mode I'm afraid it's very time consuming for me to do. But for example I've been selling the compressors (OA-2B) for just a bit more than $3000.
Looking forward to hearing some of the gear in action.
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Damn I'd love one of your compressors or that 8 channel pre!! So sweet!
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Man, this is gonna be great. This should really help me too, cause the band I play with is doing the RPM challenge this month. Write and record an album in February. I look forward to using some of the info I'll undoubtedly get from this thread! Thank you for taking the time to do this Freddy.
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Well, we had a marathon session yesterday. We cut beds for the entire album. 12 songs. The room sounded spectacular, and the band was really ON. Holy moly did that drummer lay down the law, he was just on fire and intensely heavy...at the end of the day the area around the kit looked like beavers had attacked a forest! wood chips everywhere.
I'll post some pics and vid clips soon, I didn't get too much with my own camera because I was too busy with the recording process. But there was a photographer there and she took some video footage as well so I'll have to wait until they get that material to me.
But I can say one thing for sure, I think the one crucial element technically in the drum kit recording will be the room mic. The drums just sounded like canons in there....I used my Origin G7 large diaphragm tube mic in omni mode about 10-12 feet away from the kit. When the drummer first wacked the snare everyone was like "Holy Sh*t!!!" So that visceral element actually drove the vibe and performances to a higher level.
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What are you using for headphones for the band? Amps for reference tracks or DI's

Did you work with clicks or just go for feel?
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What are you using for headphones for the band? Amps for reference tracks or DI's

Did you work with clicks or just go for feel?

5 sets of AKG K240 cans.
the guitars and bass amps were isolated and miked. But the musicians were all in the same room with the drummer. I also took a DI off each one for possible reamping.

Edit...forgot to answer you question about clicks. No clicks!
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Nice! Very cool so your doing a live type recording with some overdubs. Awesome! I recorded band the same way when I had my studio. No clicks! If the drummer and band is good you won't notice. I bet you won't even need the DIs.

I'm curious what amps you used? Will that be in one of your updates?
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Is that Jason Segel on guitar?!?

Cool video! Can't wait to hear the finished product(s)!

I'd love to see an overall schematic of the setup. I'm guessing since the heads were there, and you said that the speakers were isolated for guitars, that you just run a long speaker cable out to a separate room or area, mic the speaker, and run that mic all the way back to where you're recording? Is the singer in an isolation booth as well?

How did the band react to monitoring solely on headphones? The only time I've done that with a band, it was a little strange at first.
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My band will be recording guitar parts soon, so I'm very interested on your technique. We are using Sonar Producer.
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I love this thread. Thank you, Freddy!
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

fantastic thread!!!

a pic of a friendīs recording room . See what you think...



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Re: Recording a Rock Band

That room sounds good even with just the camera mic. I bet you got some big drums out of there.

Can you speak to how you find the position where the drum set should be in the room? Ive heard of takin the snare and hitting it in different places until Its most pleasing. I would want a place where the sound has room to spread out and not be smacked back at the drummer.

Did you spend a lot of time with the drummer on tuning and things like drum heads?
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I'd love to see an overall schematic of the setup. I'm guessing since the heads were there, and you said that the speakers were isolated for guitars, that you just run a long speaker cable out to a separate room or area, mic the speaker, and run that mic all the way back to where you're recording? Is the singer in an isolation booth as well?
Correct. Long heavy gauge speaker cables out to the cabs. The singer was in a room that was like an entrance room to Rehearsal Hall 3. That room had all the walls carpeted so it was nice for a tight, low reflection vocal recording.
The wardrobe closet that the Laney 4X12 cab was in was roughly 12'X 10' and was filled with costumes so the reflections in there were pretty low as well.
Rehearsal Hall2 was just a big empty room (but smaller than RH3) and it had a nice quality that I liked for the lead guitar.




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How did the band react to monitoring solely on headphones? The only time I've done that with a band, it was a little strange at first.
We spent the time to get everyone comfortable with their headphone mixes, they seemed to have no problems once it was dialed in.



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fantastic thread!!!

a pic of a friendīs recording room . See what you think...
Looks very cozy!

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That room sounds good even with just the camera mic. I bet you got some big drums out of there.

Can you speak to how you find the position where the drum set should be in the room? Ive heard of takin the snare and hitting it in different places until Its most pleasing. I would want a place where the sound has room to spread out and not be smacked back at the drummer.
In that room we ended up with the kit at about 1 third of the way in of the dimension of the room. I have used this room a lot before so I had already found the sweet spot.
I did however move the room mic (Origin G7 in omni) all around until I found it's sweet spot.
You may have noticed that one wall is entirely mirrors from floor to ceiling and there are also heavy black velvet drapes in front. I used those to tune the room a bit.
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Yes, his snare sounded fantastic right out of the gate, but we worked on the kick tuning a lot, I had him tune the heads a lot higher than he had them.
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Re: Recording a Rock Band

Freddy, I really like your stance on rock album production - I feel the same way. There are some modern rock bands I like, but I really dislike the production - real clean and perfect. To me that should be for pop only, with rock production it should be like you're there in the studio, raw and real.

Great videos, thanks for doing these
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