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Old 01-30-2012, 10:51 AM   #1
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how to spot a fake custom?

I called a local about a les paul for sale on CL. he didn't seem to know much about it...

there were a couple things that just don't smell right... the 'Gibson' name didn't look right... but that could just be me not knowing...

it had the custom diamond, and custom truss rod cover, but the hardware was silver and the fretboard was rosewood...

how can I, as a novice tell if it's real?

I don't want to insult the guy, it's a gorgeous guitar, but I don't want to pay for a real gibson and get a fake(if I pay for a fake and get it, that's fine )

here's the pic of the headstock:

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Old 01-30-2012, 11:10 AM   #2
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

the headstock doesn't look right. the TRC is too close to the nut, and no customs come with rosewood fretboards. Also, almost all fakes have wonky tone knobs that aren't parallel. I say almost because the occasional fakes have had more effort put into them to make them better aligned but they still have other obvious problems. Also, alot of the fakes don't have fret-edge bindings on the frets.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:12 AM   #3
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

It's fake. Save yourself the trouble kids...just figure that ALL the Gibson LP's on CL are fakes. You will be much better off.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:13 AM   #4
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

Yeah, it does look a little "off". Got any more pictures to post? Check to see if it has FEB. Doesn't the Custom Classic have a maple neck?
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:13 AM   #5
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

I see Rosewood. What Dino said.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:17 AM   #6
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I see Rosewood. What Dino said.
Agreed....Was wondering if Gibson darked the maple neck a tad for the black customs.

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Old 01-30-2012, 11:33 AM   #7
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it had the custom diamond, and custom truss rod cover, but the hardware was silver and the fretboard was rosewood...

Gibson does make legit Customs that have chrome hardware. I will let those who know more offer opinions on this particular guitar but just wanted to let you know that chrome hardware is not a sign of a fake.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:45 AM   #8
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

ok, here's I link to all of the pics...

https://plus.google.com/photos/10978...81737473246001

the knobs definitely are not parallel... I drew lines with paint and they are a little off..

all that said, he doesn't want real gibson money for it either...
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

Oh yeah...

No headstock wings...



No FEB... EDIT(although it may be from a refret)

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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

most of the fake Customs have rosewood fretboard
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Superfake! Steer clear!
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

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Oh yeah...

No headstock wings...


No FEB...
? what is FEB? and what do you mean wings?

I told you... I'm a N00b

the only gibson's I've been around is my grandfathers '47 acoustic, and a friend's from highschool ('75 custom)

I'm looking for my first LP, but I'll be going with an epi or similar due to budget... and this one is still slightly out of budget, and no way of knowing who really made it
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:57 AM   #13
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stay away from Craigs List it can be dangerous
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thanks for all the input! I really appreciate the help...

I've bought and sold a lot on CL, never had issues... but also never had to worry about something being a fake either... generally small items or cars is what I've bought and sold...
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

So fake.
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

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all that said, he doesn't want real gibson money for it either...
That is a dead giveaway right there.
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thanks for all the input! I really appreciate the help...

I've bought and sold a lot on CL, never had issues... but also never had to worry about something being a fake either... generally small items or cars is what I've bought and sold...
don't buy any Gibson Les Paul's on CL
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

Also, see that sticker on the control cavity? To me that is the biggest giveaway as I have never once seen a real Gibson with one of those.
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There are some bad people out there who will cheat you
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There are some bad people out there who will cheat you
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

The distance between the tailpiece and the bridge is also off.
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

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? what is FEB? and what do you mean wings?
"Fret-End Binding" -- also called "nibs". All Gibsons with bound necks have nibs, unless they've been refretted.

This one is fake, not just the lack of nibs, the rosie fretboard, the "Custom" diamond headstock inlay is too small, no wings on the headstock, the wonky shape of both the upper bout and the cutaway, knobs, and the headstock looks long past the D & G tuners.

You'll find a lot of good info on spotting fakes in this thread started by member djwilbanks. Good stuff there.

Also, check out Gibson's tips:

Gibson Guitar Music News: How to Spot a Fake, Gibson Leads Industry Fight Against Counterfeit Goods
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

MyGear | 2010 GIBSON LES PAUL COPY! NEAR MINT!, Item #32382
They aren't above using the same serial number on multiple guitars either. Having a serial that checks out doesn't always mean that it's from Gibson.
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That is a dead giveaway right there.
I know... but I was already smelling that something was off before he told me the price...


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MyGear | 2010 GIBSON LES PAUL COPY! NEAR MINT!, Item #32382
They aren't above using the same serial number on multiple guitars either. Having a serial that checks out doesn't always mean that it's from Gibson.
Run that serial number through the converter and it tells you that it's a 2005 I don't know how accurate it is..

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Production Number: 259

Google the serial number and get this...

http://www.google.ca/#pq=gibson+seri...w=1536&bih=706
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

if the deal seems to good to be true, then walk away because it will be to good to be true
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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

It may or may not be a real Les Paul but if something is nagging you now and just doesn't sit right will only be amplified once you hand over the cash and potentially paid (what I can only assume for a Custom) over $1K. There are PLENTY of other Les Paul Customs that have documentation or can be proven to be real.

Now, if you find out it's fake and you can get it for a few hundred bucks, I'd say go for it.

Just my opinion, take it as you will!

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Re: how to spot a fake custom?

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Run that serial number through the converter and it tells you that it's a 2005 I don't know how accurate it is..

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Production Number: 259

Google the serial number and get this...

Google

That just tells you that you have a legit Serial Number. Not a legit Guitar.
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Now, if you find out it's fake and you can get it for a few hundred bucks, I'd say go for it.

Just my opinion, take it as you will!

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yea, if I could have gotten it real cheap, maybe... but he still wanted 750... and that's more than I could pay right now in good conscious
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