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Old 11-12-2011, 06:24 PM   #1
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Who cranks their amp anymore

I'm just wondering some guys on here thought I was lying when I said I run my jcm 900 full throttle. Am I a 70's dinosaur or what ? I just thought it was kind of odd.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:27 PM   #2
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I didn't think you were lying, I just don't see how you can hear anything. At all.

When I "crank" my much-lower-wattage amps, my ears hurt, like someone's sticking a dull pencil into both of them and tapping it with a mallet. How can that be enjoyable, and how can it not result in permanent damage?
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:27 PM   #3
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

Id expect somebody to max out a jcm800 or something like that, but not a jcm 900 (due to the master volumes and ability to get gain at lower levels).

I guess it is kind of odd then, but if you can crank it up, do it! (tubes amps cranked are hard to beat imo).

Edit: I agree with river: I keep the master low on my blues junior and crank the preamp and if I sit on my bed around the corner I still feel deaf and my ears hurt after,
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:27 PM   #4
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

Huh??? Could you speak up?

I've been playing mine cranked all day.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:30 PM   #5
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Id expect somebody to max out a jcm800 or something like that, but not a jcm 900 (due to the master volumes and ability to get gain at lower levels).

I guess it is kind of odd then, but if you can crank it up, do it! (tubes amps cranked are hard to beat imo).
Heck no. My 40w DSL sounds fine at low volumes, but soooooo much better when pushing those power tubes. Marshall's LOVE to be cranked!
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:30 PM   #6
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Huh??? Could you speak up?

I've been playing mine cranked all day.
Exactly.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:32 PM   #7
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I cranked a Peavey Bandit once just for fun. My ears were ringing the whole 20 minute drive home. Kind of scary.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:33 PM   #8
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Huh??? Could you speak up?

I've been playing mine cranked all day.



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Heck no. My 40w DSL sounds fine at low volumes, but soooooo much better when pushing those power tubes. Marshall's LOVE to be cranked!
I know that, but the op said full throttle- I know you want to crank the ouput tubes a little bt ive never heard of a jcm 900 having to be cranked all the way to have enough gain or sound better (I have heard that jcm 800s get alot of their gain from the power amp and sound way better cranked though).
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:34 PM   #9
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Huh??? Could you speak up?

I've been playing mine cranked all day.


BTW, I'm talking pain while playing. I accept that in my fingies, not my ears.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:36 PM   #10
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I didn't call you a liar. I was just sceptical about your claim that you regularly play it cranked until 4am in a residential zone. Our other guitarist has had the cops called on him with a 5w amp cranked.. let alone 100w.

As I said before (if it's true) you must have the best neighbours on this planet.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:37 PM   #11
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I know that, but the op said full throttle- I know you want to crank the ouput tubes a little bt ive never heard of a jcm 900 having to be cranked all the way to have enough gain or sound better (I have heard that jcm 800s get alot of their gain from the power amp and sound way better cranked though).
Yeah, full throttle is a bit excessive unless out of doors. Just another way to express manhood?
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:38 PM   #12
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Nothing smells like a fully cranked Marshall in the morning
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:46 PM   #13
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I've rarely seen the need to crank any 100 watt amp full throttle. Most tube amps have a sweet spot on the volume where everything is cooking nicely and the real tone of the amp is coming through. That's usually pretty loud. Anything louder IMO goes through a PA anyway.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:00 PM   #14
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I don't even crank my 5 watt Blackstar often. On the rare occasion that I play with a drummer, I turn it up just loud enough to hear it with the drums. My 60 watt that is, not the 5 watt amp.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:04 PM   #15
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Marshall's LOVE to be cranked!
Hence my saying: Marshalls move air, Fenders generate tone.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but both of my amps sound great without being cranked. It's been proven that humans prefer any pleasing sound louder (up to the threshold of pain, that is), so of course they sound "better" louder. But I don't hear the "tone" changing. It gets sweet before it gets loud.

Maybe that's why I don't spend money on Marshalls.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:06 PM   #16
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I can't handle it anymore. If I played out with a full band though....

Last drummer I played with had an electronic kit through a PA, which I was thankful for.

I just ordered another 5 watt amp on Friday. I might buy an L-pad attenuator to go with it.
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

F#$%%in eh! I was starting to wonder about you guys. I crank it every chance I get (lol crank it) Ok jcm 900s get high gain at low volumes but they get good tone at high volumes. If you are worried about your hearing use earplugs. Don't be dumb.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:06 PM   #18
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I just got a 2-watt VOX (L'il Night Train) and I expect I will be able to crank that but there is no way I would ever crank my 20-watt Hughes & Kettner.
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

i usually play my marshall vm 50 watter at 7 or 8
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F#$%%in eh! I was starting to wonder about you guys. I crank it every chance I get (lol crank it) Ok jcm 900s get high gain at low volumes but they get good tone at high volumes. If you are worried about your hearing use earplugs. Don't be dumb.
Even if the tone is better at extremely high volumes, what difference would it make when earplugs are muffling your hearing?
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:24 PM   #21
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If you are worried about your hearing use earplugs. Don't be dumb.
EXACTLY! I have a 100 watt JMP and it needs to be cranked. I use earplugs. No biggie.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:30 PM   #22
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I didn't call you a liar. I was just sceptical about your claim that you regularly play it cranked until 4am in a residential zone. Our other guitarist has had the cops called on him with a 5w amp cranked.. let alone 100w.

As I said before (if it's true) you must have the best neighbours on this planet.
4 hours to go till the wife gets home and marshall cranky time. I am pretty lucky I guess . really though what do the cops do?
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:35 PM   #23
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

Crank - yes
Dime - no

When I can, I turn it up. I have a couple Marshall(ish) 50W heads that definitely open up and get very responsive beyond a certain point. About 75% on the master vol for one and about 60% on the other. Dirt pedals sound buzzy to me and don't bark and growl like a hot Marshall.

I've got a little 5W class A that's fun full open. I just doesn't humble you like the bigger ones though.
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Crank - yes
Dime - no, can't get away with that often

When I can, I turn it up. I have a couple Marshall(ish) 50W heads that definitely open up and get very responsive beyond a certain point. About 75% on the master vol for one and about 60% on the other. Dirt pedals sound buzzy to me and don't bark and growl like a hot Marshall.

I've got a little 5W class A that's fun full open. It just doesn't humble you like the bigger ones though.
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

I have cranked amps indoors for recording purposes. I put the amp in a booth or separate room and mic it, then crank the crap out of it. The recordings sound can pretty sweet. The odd time I've been on big outdoor stages that could handle volumes but still, I would rather be in the mix, so I don't crank it. I actually have amp baffles that I play live & jam with. The sound spreads all over and it's smoother, certainly less directional. I hate going to clubs to have a cranked stack facing me haha...I want people going home humming my originals...not half deaf wondering why they go to live rock shows.

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Even if the tone is better at extremely high volumes, what difference would it make when earplugs are muffling your hearing?
Earplugs attenuate highs and general volume, but they cannot add distortion.
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Elderly individuals prefer attenuation.
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Elderly individuals prefer attenuation.


Nice try, grasshopper.

We can actually tolerate higher volumes than you young whipper-snappers, because we lost half of our hearing in our youth. If you want to lose half of yours, have a happy. You'll regret it.
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Back atcha, fella........who said I's a youngan? And its too late anyhow.
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... because we lost half of our hearing in our youth. If you want to lose half of yours, have a happy. You'll regret it.
I would like to keep my hearing, and thus a lower wattage amp with a quieter speaker or an attenuated amp will be my next purchase.
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