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Old 08-30-2011, 12:28 PM   #1
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Unhappy I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

I have a 1980 Gibson Les Paul Custom.

To be honest about this, after all of the recent woes of Gibson, and the issue over ebony...sure...the value will skyrocket, but at the same time I think it's an even bigger magnet for theft...illegal, or legal. I'd really hate to take that guitar across state lines right now, either.

I think until this dies down, that guitar ain't leavin' the house. I don't like it...I bought the guitar to play it, not to have it as a bedroom queen...but I don't see a lot of other options.

Either way...in light of all of this recent business with Gibson...are you still dragging out your Customs, your R9's, vintage guitars, or your Pauls...or are you keeping them at home? And if you are taking them out, are you exercising any additional precautions?
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:37 PM   #2
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

Haha, my Custom is over here in England. If Gibson are told not to ship their guitars internationally or have to close/move then I have a Gibson with an ebony board from the last year of production.

I'm obviously going to play mine out because of the laws over here but I won't take it to America while that Lacey Act thing is still there. I'm willing to bet the border agency people will piunce on anything pretty quick.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:49 PM   #3
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

I don't want to be paranoid. However, if you google this issue there are lots of instances where vintage instruments were confiscated due to incomplete "paper" work for ivory, endangered woods, etc. Our guitars pale in comparison to pianos, accordions, and violins!

A couple of years ago, I was going to bring my guitar to Vancouver for the week. This is just a fairly new LP. I was warned to better get some kind of paper work showing legal use of ebony. Now, WTF, I just bought the guitar and I did not make it, nor do I know where the ebony fret board came from! No correct paper work; the guitar will be confiscated.

I understand, that you and I can face loosing our guitars that we legally and in good faith bought from GC or other large retailer...unfortunately in this instance, there's a paper trail from Gibson to retailers to buyers. Buying from individuals might be harder to trace unless the Feds raid your home...not funny.

Maybe I'm getting paranoid?

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Old 08-30-2011, 12:49 PM   #4
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

i don't see the value skyrocketing honestly.

sorry to piss in your cornflakes but...

and seeing as i'm not planing any international trips, this wouldn't effect me in any way shape or form.

much ado about nothing actually.

if there was something, there would have been charges from the last time.

yet there isn't.

the bad part is, the employees that lost a days pay. is all.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:53 PM   #5
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

I will keep playing my Custom out of the house, though I never have it out of my sight unless it's cased and chained to the handle of my 4x12.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:58 PM   #6
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

They'll take my Rosie (R6) out of my cold dead hands!!!!
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:05 PM   #7
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:13 PM   #8
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

I've heard that the Feds will eventually return the guitar to it's owner.....somewhat customized.











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Awesome!
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Old 08-30-2011, 03:11 PM   #10
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

apparently i have been living in another dimension as i do not know about the issue with gibson and ebony. i binged and googled, and didnt come up with anything either. can somebody help me out?
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:52 PM   #12
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

This isn't affecting anything in my life except my diet: I'm going through popcorn like there's no tomorrow.
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:02 PM   #13
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

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This isn't affecting anything in my life except my diet: I'm going through popcorn like there's no tomorrow.
River, I don't imagine you drag that R8 of yours out to watering holes much, do you?

EDIT: I have no intentions of dragging this out to a bar. With Gibson in the news like this, this is an easy target that I don't think will be easily replaced (especially with an ebony fretboard)



I still, however, wanted a Les Paul with some bling on it...now, the only other Gibson Les Paul I own is a Studio model. I've long asserted that putting bling on these is like putting lipstick on a pig!

Well, here's a pig with some lipstick on it...





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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

All this crap is retarded....I can't believe it....if any of this were to ever happen you'd think they (Feds) would legislate to "Buy Back" the guitar from you at market value rather than just take it away.
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River, I don't imagine you drag that R8 of yours out to watering holes much, do you?
Well, no, I don't. You have me there.

But on my goggie's grave, its value before or after the "summer of wood" is not the reason. It has more knobs and switches than I can operate under pressure.

Same with my '92 Standard, which I value more highly and is probably equally tempting for a gig-attending kidnapper. My giggers are the '60 MM (w/Braz board ) and Epi Junior. Where I go out, the latter with its Bigsby will probably attract more thieves than anything else I own. Philistines.
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

if i had one i would just keep it somewhere safe and play a diff guitar until this blows over
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:30 PM   #17
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This isn't affecting anything in my life except my diet: I'm going through popcorn like there's no tomorrow.
No kiddin' Riv! With me, it is those Circus Peanuts! Am I one of the few that feels this is all fear mongering media ploy?

Guys - I carry a gun too. So far, no local law enforcement or fed has tailed me yet.
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Re: I'm retiring my Custom...at least for now.

Your guitar will always be a target for theft, ban on ebony or no ban. Simply because of what is written on that headstock.

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Old 08-30-2011, 09:55 PM   #19
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you got people in the USA starving, addicted to afghani opium now controlled by US military forces, hurricanes, floods, pestilence ,disease, global warming and the difference in making an imported piece of wood legal or illegal is nothing but a saw mark. Thats the issue "sawn", ebony is not legally exported from India. They can ship timber whole but not sawn from my own comprehension.

Had a similar problem when I wanted to buy some wood from australia thats been around in some bog for 5000 years..They had to cut it up cus they couldnt ship an unsawn timber..Do freeking what?..I could have bought a guitar body blank but I couldnt buy the piece of wood and cut my own blank. Stupid people are everywhere and they dont even know they are dumbasses. Just another typical BS by the US govt to take the real issues of this country and bastardize them with insignificant crap just like this. You think the US govt really gives a crap where the wood came from? No, all they see is GIBSON USA and dollar signs.

If the govt ran Gibson they would be buying Gibson copies from China
If Gibson ran the Govt then we would own China
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so, they will confiscate our guitars and glue them back together in the shape of trees? you'd think the government has bigger fish to fry

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May these tree-hugging hippies burn in hell!
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Unnecessary paranoia, you have a better chance of being hit by lightning, twice.
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All this crap is retarded....I can't believe it....if any of this were to ever happen you'd think they (Feds) would legislate to "Buy Back" the guitar from you at market value rather than just take it away.
But the fear that "this is illegal and i the money i spent on it is at risk of being lost completely" is probably part of the effect of the law.

There would be no reason to risk buying a guitar you know is illegal. All of this is retarded tho. Once it has already been made into a guitar just let it be!

It's like drugs, they should try to stop it at the source, but if they catch a user it should be no big deal with no punishment.
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Double posting...

If you're worried about it being a target of theft... wouldn't you want to bring it with you everywhere you go?? Most of the posts I've read about people having their gear stolen have been stolen from their houses or studios.
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Just as I am about to buy a Gibson for my gigging axe this happens....

Now I don't know about shelling out for another Gibson or even playing out with mine for some time.

Wow, thanks for protecting me Federal Government, I know I'll sleep safe tonight!
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Just as I am about to buy a Gibson for my gigging axe this happens....

Now I don't know about shelling out for another Gibson or even playing out with mine for some time.


(You seriously wouldn't based on these threads? )
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Double posting...

If you're worried about it being a target of theft... wouldn't you want to bring it with you everywhere you go?? Most of the posts I've read about people having their gear stolen have been stolen from their houses or studios.
No. Out of sight, out of mind. I can't fuss about it all the time....to be honest I just want people to forget I have one in the first place.

Anyway...if I went with your logic...I actually have guitars which I suspect will be even MORE valuable than that Custom over time. The difference with them: They're not in the headlines right now.

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Just as I am about to buy a Gibson for my gigging axe this happens....

Now I don't know about shelling out for another Gibson or even playing out with mine for some time.

Wow, thanks for protecting me Federal Government, I know I'll sleep safe tonight!
Screw it: There's a good chance I might get into another Gibson simply because I don't think the brand's going to be quite the same after this fiasco. I've got my eyes on an SG.

As for the Studio, or the SG (If I get it)...there's a world of difference between getting guitars taken or stolen that are worth less than 1500 dollars vs. guitars that are worth over 4 thousand dollars...and rising...

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LPJones:

I had a guitar taken away from me. It was returned after about a month, but I really, really don't want to go through that.

Right now, the Custom's just too easy of a target to spot. In person the top is...I dunno...it's definitely something you can immediately identify as old, and it doesn't sound quite like anything else I own.
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Anyway...if I went with your logic...I actually have guitars which I suspect will be even MORE valuable than that Custom over time. The difference with them: They're not in the headlines right now.
Yeah, and I know to which ones you're referring.
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Seeing as I don't gig--no problem leaving my guitars at home.
Unless I go to jam or something.
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hey guys,

the sky isn't really falling.

but the rent is too damn high.



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