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Old 01-11-2017, 04:15 AM   #1
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Help needed '62 SG

I have a chance to buy '62 SG. Haven't seen the guitar in person yet. There is something in the pics that tell me run away. I'm not an expert with SG's so please have a look.

Also both pups have clearly been off and pup covers doesn't have virgin joints. There seems to be plugged holes in the upper horn, cloud have been overspayed after plugging?








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Old 01-11-2017, 04:43 AM   #2
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Neck joint looks legit for those years. Headstock and harness as well.
Covers have been off 100%, curious to know if these are still original PAF's.
Tuners might ( I say might as I cant really see it well ) been replaced.
Otherwise the guitar looks 'fine' too me.

what do the pot codes say?
And what makes you think you should run away from it?
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:06 AM   #3
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Tuners are single line/double ring so those are period correct at least. Hard to tell if PAF's are original or not. In a worst case scenario covers off means rewound.

I tend to be careful with vintage gear. Those little color variations near headstock and neck heel joint bothers me a bit.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:10 AM   #4
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Color could be many reasons, but really hard to tell if you can't see the guitar yourself.
The guitar overall looks to be period correct, but best would be to see it of course.
Looks like she has been played extensively for years and then stored away for decades
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Old 01-20-2017, 03:44 AM   #5
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

The tuners have probably been replaced by replicas. That is because the original tuning keys would have "rotted" even with a case queen. (I know because I have an SG Standard I bought in Nov. '61.) So it is normal if the tuners are not original. Without a serial number, can't say more.
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Re: Help needed '62 SG


Tuners could definitely be repros..kinda new looking.

This probably had Grovers on it at one time. Odd how the headstock face isn't shown..as the washers leave circular dents..
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Old 01-20-2017, 03:31 PM   #7
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

How about a full frontal shot??
I know it will have nothing to do with dating it. I just want to see it!!
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Didn't pull the trigger yet. Back of the neck is re-sprayed with clear lacquer.

Couple front shots:






Below is my '63 SG and I'm wondering if I should swap this one to '62. IMO '63 has nicer color but PAF's are gone, neck heel has been repaired and tuners are changed.

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Re: Help needed '62 SG

I'll be darned..looks to me to be SLIGHT Grover Dents..when pic is blown up, I swear I see the ring around the Kluson bushing:


So TOTALLY possible these could be the original keys, wisely saved when the Grovers were installed..
then when re-installed, would be much cleaner and not match the age of the guitar..they are damn clean.
Would love to see two things, the peg head hole with the tuner removed, (to see if reamed), and a tuner close up, and the underside of one would confirm if repro or not..

When looking at them online, it's too easy to get burned, so I always ask to see the underside of the tuners...to see the PAT# of the Kluson.

If it had the PAT#, then damn, those are almost new looking, so if not repros, era correct replacements..OR new double ring keys put on is another possibility.
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:33 AM   #10
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There seems to be plugged holes in the upper horn, cloud have been overspayed after plugging?
Strap button moved a couple times?


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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Looks pretty good to me, all relative to the price of course. It's not pristine, price should reflect that. But if it plays good and the price is alright...
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

My one-owner SG Standard is either a 61 or 62. (it seems to have a 62 serial number, but I bought it new in late November, 1961.) I came new with Kluson tuners and plastic tuning keys just like the guitar being discussed here. From personal experience I now that those tuning keys deteriorate, shrink, become brittle, and break after several decades.For this reason, I had to replace the original tuners with identical, aged tuners in 2009. My point here is that it is going to be next to impossible to find a guitar of this age and model with original tuners.

Also these early SG Standards were (and are) notorious for neck breakage. So it is difficult to find one without a history of neck repair.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:00 AM   #13
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Thanks for comments.

Negotiations are currently on hold. If seller will meet my offer I'll go check the guitar.
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

I bought that very same guitar in Lincoln, Nebraska 1966 at Dietz Music, down town for $250.00 with the original? Case. It was yellow inside. It was in very good condition at that time.

Somebody stole that guitar from my mother's house while i was overseas.
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I bought that very same guitar in Lincoln, Nebraska 1966 at Dietz Music, down town for $250.00 with the original? Case. It was yellow inside. It was in very good condition at that time.

Somebody stole that guitar from my mother's house while i was overseas.
This is getting interesting...I'm definitely walking away this guitar.

PM me if you think I can help you.
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Well not the exact herem but ibw exactly kije the ibe in the photo.
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Looks pretty good to me, all relative to the price of course. It's not pristine, price should reflect that. But if it plays good and the price is alright...
What 58burst said.
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

What a 62 SG Standard was bought or sold for in 1966 is totally irrelevant. Back then this model guitar was absolutely hated because of the horrible trem. I tried to trade mine in for something else back then, and the store wouldn't give me one thin dime for it! But then in 2006, I had my rather mint one pro appraised for $22k. Now it has dropped to the $10K to $15K range.
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Patience was the word...She is all mine now.

Once again many thanks for your advises.

Back of the headstock didn't had any marks of Grovers. D tuner had little shims because inner rings are touching headstock.

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Re: Help needed '62 SG

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The tuners have probably been replaced by replicas. That is because the original tuning keys would have "rotted" even with a case queen. (I know because I have an SG Standard I bought in Nov. '61.) So it is normal if the tuners are not original. Without a serial number, can't say more.
Not necessarily, my tuners are all intact and original, and she wasn't a case queen. the D tuner is a bit 'tight' to turn but that's the only issue with any of them.





2nd week '62 btw...

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Re: Help needed '62 SG

Same here on my early '61.



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Re: Help needed '62 SG

I like the '62, looks like a player. Someone loved that thing!
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

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Patience was the word...She is all mine now.

Once again many thanks for your advises.

Back of the headstock didn't had any marks of Grovers. D tuner had little shims because inner rings are touching headstock.

There it is!

Can you post a sunlight pic of the headstock?

This pic looked to have small rings around the Kluson bushing..if it was Grovered, it was well undone.

Even if so, the original tuners on it now and it looks killer!
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Can you post a sunlight pic of the headstock?
here we go

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here we go

Looks like conversion bushings... Still seeing a faint ring around them.

Slightly larger diameter, thicker lip, more squared off looking...Compare to these:


VERY well done..a complete non issue in my book..I would have not even blinked if the Grovers were still there!


Anytime you have to get a magnifier and micrometer out..it's a GOOD resto!!
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Re: Help needed '62 SG

I don't know about the pups, as I just don't know when Gibson changed them from PAFs. But I do know that this guitar looks genuine for a late 62 , which the serial number shows it is. Those 61 and 62 SGs are notoriously prone to neck problems at the heel and the headstock. So the quality of the repair should be of more concern than the fact that a repair was needed. Also, a well played SG of this era may have worn off on the back of the neck over the last 55 years, so as to need a respray. I've seen some like this, with the finish worn "clean off" of the neck back.
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