Skatterbrane Pickups [merged]

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Well I CAN put raw covers on my Standard set, but it would cost you another $100, thus you get my Raw set. Does that make sense? The standard nickel covers (that are shiny) are MUCH different than the shiny nickel covers on my R-K I-Q set! The Standard set has modern, common and inexpensive covers. The Raw set have repro PAF covers and the R-K set have shiny PAF repro covers. It would not make sense to put the expensive Raw covers on my Standard set, because then they would not be my standard set anymore.

I know other guys have a building block approach, I just separate models differently.

Other winders offer normal raw nickel covers at the same price as their others.

Sorry if I was unclear.

[overdriver]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

So the choice on the top of my site is confusing? What is confusing about "contact and payment" and then you see all my product and you click add to cart for each one? On the other guys site, it seems you order Humbucker and then have to explain to him what you want later? or before?

Hey you asked ya don't want my imput fine bye. I wouldn't ever want your product any way. Sorry to be a bother. Good luck!

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by overdriver

You really feel a dollar upcharge to flip a mag or two is called for and 50$ to reverse wind.?

That dollar is nothing to me or a buyer, but it serves as a cue to what they want without ever having to email me. I have already had people pay $50 for a reverse wind. Even though I completely disagree that its effect is any different than a flipped magnet. I know there is a controversay on this, but I side on whatever of the three ways you choose to reverse polarity, the sonic result is the same.

I charge a LOT if you order an individual pickup as well, you are much better off ordering a set, and selling the one you do not want to keep.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by overdriver

Hey you asked ya don't want my imput fine bye. I wouldn't ever want your product any way. Sorry to be a bother. Good luck!

I am asking because it does not make sense to me. If I order something, I do not want to have to send a bunch of instructions on what I want. If you order from me, I can fill your order without either of us ever communicating.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by PINKBITS

Other winders offer normal raw nickel covers at the same price as their others.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Yes, and I know that their plated or raw covers are of the same quality, whether it be of the lower quality or the higher quality. I COULD get a lower quality raw cover I guess. But really ANY nickel cover will age with use. I do NOT offer chrome covers.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by overdriver

Hey you asked ya don't want my imput fine bye. I wouldn't ever want your product any way. Sorry to be a bother. Good luck!

It seems it is you who has lost his cool. I tend to do that with people by trying to get to the bottom of things. I frustrate people.

[SKATTERBRANE]

If it were I buying my pickups, I would either order the Standard set or the Mar-T I-V set. Who cares if there is a PAF or PAT NO sticker? I mean you never see it. What are you going to do, pull your pickups out every time you show someone your Les Paul? Do you think they will be impressed with your PAF sticker? And if you PLAY your Les Paul the Standard cover will self age, just not as quickly as the raw cover. The original PAFs did not have a raw cover (except for the earliest ones, which had a brushed finish to accept paint, and that idea was abandoned.)

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

heres my 2 cents on boosting sales....

run a special discounting them wicked cheap and let the pups speak for themselves...

times are hard... most common folks done even have 200 bucks for a set of pups, and if they do they saved for a while to get it....

figure up what your selling now... how much it cost to wind them, how much time you have, and how much you will make back... then think about how many more you will sell, and how having a word of mouth thing going because you sold more for less

How about the many, many customer who have already paid? And the many who came back to buy more, because they speak for themselves? The problem is not with the pickups (it may be with the crappy website). Can't a $300 set speak for themselves as well as a $200 set?

If it is simply the PRICE then explain other VERY successful winders who charge up to double what I do. And if the pickups DO NOT sound good, then even if they are free, they are too much.

[PINKBITS]

Again I understand but I want my covers to have that dull look immediately.

That's what I like .

At the end of the day it is what your prospective client wants that is important, nothing else.

If you are unable to provide them with what they want they will go elsewhere.

[SKATTERBRANE]

My goal is not to sell 3000 pickup sets for $200, it is to sell 2000 pickup sets for $300.

If I could sell ONE pickup for $2,000,000 I would.

I KNOW what it costs me to make a set, pay for Ebay, advertising, shipping etc, I am working for slave labor as it is, I might as well pay a 12 year old Chinese girl to make them with the cheapest materials and sell them for $80 a set, because that is what most people REALLY want.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by PINKBITS

Again I understand but I want my covers to have that dull look immediately.

That's what I like .

At the end of the day it is what your prospective client wants that is important, nothing else.

If you are unable to provide them with what they want they will go elsewhere.

I will look into getting cheaper raw covers. Hey I have an idea, buy mine without covers and see how much even the cheapest raw covers cost you retail! I do not understand anyone who wants a pickup to be authentic to have raw covers, Les Pauls were never equiped with raw covers. They were nickel plated. Raw is NOT vintage correct.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Here is a place that sells cheapo Chinese covers:

You can see their "bare" covers are actually cheaper, but they are not the same high quality covers I use:

Mojo Pickup Parts » Vintage Musical Supply Parts for Amplifiers & Guitars Cover

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

My goal is not to sell 3000 pickup sets for $200, it is to sell 2000 pickup sets for $300.

If I could sell ONE pickup for $2,000,000 I would.

I KNOW what it costs me to make a set, pay for Ebay, advertising, shipping etc, I am working for slave labor as it is, I might as well pay a 12 year old Chinese girl to make them with the cheapest materials and sell them for $80 a set, because that is what most people REALLY want.

No.

I personally want my pickups to be made to be made by someone sitting on Jimi Pages toilet, potted in Jimi Hendrix vomit and get them for free .

I have not been able to find anyone offering this as yet but I live in hope

[SKATTERBRANE]

Well for me anyway, the forum is not a place to market my product. 90% or more of my business is from people who have never heard of this place and about 50% of my sales are International. They "chance" upon me on the internet, searching on Google.

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

I will look into getting cheaper raw covers. Hey I have an idea, buy mine without covers and see how much even the cheapest raw covers cost you retail! I do not understand anyone who wants a pickup to be authentic to have raw covers, Les Pauls were never equiped with raw covers. They were nickel plated. Raw is NOT vintage correct.

Not everyone wants vintage correct.

[#1guitarman]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Ah, I understand, but HOT is not PAF territory. I am not interested in making pickups for modern tone or metal. I am into the blues, and classic rock territory. Even jazz! But never 80s hair band stuff or metal. I can't make what I do not dig.

Bro. Just a lil hint @ marketing here....It dosent make a rats ass what YOU dig...you are a manufacturer...you are supposed to supply what THE PUBLIC WANTS...W.B. sells the piss outta his Habanaros...uh, HOT humbuckers...seymore dosent sell only paf clones or Pearly gates 'buckers...he sells a ton of hotter wind 'buckers...ya see, if your gonna compete, ya gotta compete all across the board...hell if I only Plumbed what I wanted to, I'd only do water coolers and then I'd be outta business once everyone got thier cooler up and running, but no...I bite the bullet, and do service, rough plumbing...hell we do it all, most of it sucks but it does pay the bills, very well, I might add, and the phone never stops ringing...give them what thay want, grasshopper, and they will drive you crazy!!!...If you study this forum, you'll find ALOT of people are into Metal, Hard Rock, and even Classic Rock. A LOT of guys here want HOTTER pickups...they want that Grungy metal snarl...something they cant get from a 7.4 alnico-V 'bucker...so they hunt down the hotties and that's where they spend thier $$...Just My Humble Opinion..I am by no means a marketing Genius, But, I did come up with the idea of Jonesy flippin his T-Shirts on here, and he sold a buttload of 'em, and I have been in business, profitably, for sometime now, with no end in site...I give 'em what they want...some people dont know what they want, and it's up to us, as professionals, to make suggestions, ya can't tell a guy that wants to bang out Death Metal, that he can get the bite and snarl outta a 7.3-7.8 'bucker, he wont buy it, but ya can tell him ya can wind him up a set of 12's and he'll shit hisself when he plugs it in....those he'll pay for...Think about it, Bro. you dont buy hot pickups because ya dont like 'em...They dont buy paf clones because they dont like 'em, Personnaly, I love a good paf tone...I dont want anything hotter than 8.0-8.5 in my axe, but thats just me....And this is just MHO...to be taken with the proverbial "grain of salt"...
Peace

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by #1guitarman

Bro. Just a lil hint @ marketing here....It dosent make a rats ass what YOU dig...you are a manufacturer...you are supposed to supply what THE PUBLIC WANTS...W.B. sells the piss outta his Habanaros...uh, HOT humbuckers...seymore dosent sell only paf clones or Pearly gates 'buckers...he sells a ton of hotter wind 'buckers...ya see, if your gonna compete, ya gotta compete all across the board...hell if I only Plumbed what I wanted to, I'd only do water coolers and then I'd be outta business once everyone got thier cooler up and running, but no...I bite the bullet, and do service, rough plumbing...hell we do it all, most of it sucks but it does pay the bills, very well, I might add, and the phone never stops ringing...give them what thay want, grasshopper, and they will drive you crazy!!!...If you study this forum, you'll find ALOT of people are into Metal, Hard Rock, and even Classic Rock. A LOT of guys here want HOTTER pickups...they want that Grungy metal snarl...something they cant get from a 7.4 alnico-V 'bucker...so they hunt down the hotties and that's where they spend thier $$...Just My Humble Opinion..I am by no means a marketing Genius, But, I did come up with the idea of Jonesy flippin his T-Shirts on here, and he sold a buttload of 'em, and I have been in business, profitably, for sometime now, with no end in site...I give 'em what they want...some people dont know what they want, and it's up to us, as professionals, to make suggestions, ya can't tell a guy that wants to bang out Death Metal, that he can get the bite and snarl outta a 7.3-7.8 'bucker, he wont buy it, but ya can tell him ya can wind him up a set of 12's and he'll shit hisself when he plugs it in....those he'll pay for...Think about it, Bro. you dont buy hot pickups because ya dont like 'em...They dont buy paf clones because they dont like 'em, Personnaly, I love a good paf tone...I dont want anything hotter than 8.0-8.5 in my axe, but thats just me....And this is just MHO...to be taken with the proverbial "grain of salt"...
Peace

I appreciate this, but tell me If I HATE metal and to me it is anti-tone, then how will I know if I make a good metal pickup or not when to me they ALL sound like shit? I cannot make something I do not appreciate or understand.

[EEF13]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

I appreciate this, but tell me If I HATE metal and to me it is anti-tone, then how will I know if I make a good metal pickup or not when to me they ALL sound like shit? I cannot make something I do not appreciate or understand.

You have a good point. I am all for variety of pickups, but if you don't know what makes a good metal sounding pickup and you sell a couple and it doesn't get good reviews, it could screw up your whole business.

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by overdriver

A disscount LOL have to be aleast 60% off IMO ;no thanks not for me when I can get these J S Moore Pickups - Home

Plenty of choice with this guy.

[PINKBITS]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

I appreciate this, but tell me If I HATE metal and to me it is anti-tone, then how will I know if I make a good metal pickup or not when to me they ALL sound like shit? I cannot make something I do not appreciate or understand.

Just wind something really hot that sounds like shit to you

No offense intended again but IMO whilst ever you persue the same lines you are, nothing will change.

Do it as a hobby and something you can make a few bucks on the side with and be happy with that.

[180gROC]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

If I could sell ONE pickup for $2,000,000 I would.

What if the buyer wanted it wound a bit hot?

[SKATTERBRANE]

Well I have changed the headers to a couple of my navigation buttons, and I cleaned up and organized the model descriptions on the "products and payment" page. This is partially due to overdriver and other's comment that my product description is confusing. THANKS.

As far as I am concerned get the cheapest metal pickup you can, it is all in the pedals and effects, they do not even require tube amps but transitor amps with a lot of effects built in anyway. Sorry, I can't make something I do not believe in or understand.

It is like mixing kool aid with a $300 dollar bottle of wine for your wine cooler recipe. Wine coolers (metal tone) do not require a fine $300 bottle of wine.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by 180gROC

What if the buyer wanted it wound a bit hot?

Well, I would try and maybe try a few times until he got what he wanted for that payoff. But I would have no idea if it sounded good until he told me, so I would be working blind so to speak.

[180gROC]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Well, I would try and maybe try a few times until he got what he wanted for that payoff. But I would have no idea if it sounded good until he told me, so I would be working blind so to speak.

I was afraid that's what you would say.

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

As far as I am concerned get the cheapest metal pickup you can, it is all in the pedals and effects, they do not even require tube amps but transitor amps with a lot of effects built in anyway. Sorry, I can't make something I do not believe in or understand.

It is like mixing kool aid with a $300 dollar bottle of wine for your wine cooler recipe. Wine coolers (metal tone) do not require a fine $300 bottle of wine.

I can respect that you have opinions, however low, of how metal players should get their tone. I can't agree though.

You can't claim not to understand something and then try to offer a believable definition of it.

[SKATTERBRANE]

How many people know I offer P90s now? Boles and Bling have made clips for me in the backstage and on this section and I have mentioned it on my business classifieds.

[alligatorbling]

i know you dont want to wind x amount for less and make x amount...

but i think if you ran a speical for the working man youd be suprised how much you sold...


alot of americans make less than 30k a year, some make 20k or less

400 bucks, even 200 bucks... is a lot of money in these times... people are charging more and money is becoming harder to come by...

yes 300 dollar pickups can speak for themselvs, but not to the poor man lmao

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Well, I would try and maybe try a few times until he got what he wanted for that payoff. But I would have no idea if it sounded good until he told me, so I would be working blind so to speak.

and let me say they are AWEOMSE

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by 180gROC

I was afraid that's what you would say.

I can respect that you have opinions, however low, of how metal players should get their tone. I can't agree though.

You can't claim not to understand something and then try to offer a believable definition of it.

I do not think I did offer a believable explaination! I admit I have no idea what would constitute a "good" metal tone. It is only from my standpoint that I offer any explaination at all. The fact is I do not care anything about metal, so I can never claim to make a good metal pickup. But for $2MIL I would try. Just so if I were successful, I would not have to do it again!

[SKATTERBRANE]

180gROC I would NEVER expect someone who appreciates metal to agree with what I suggest. I am only putting that forth because that is all it means to me. Would you want ME to wind you a metal pickup? Would you want Rambler to make you a Muscle car? (they made a few) I would not trust me to make a metal pickup!

[SKATTERBRANE]

I am not out to win over the Suhr, Lace, Motherbucker etc customer, I am out to win over the Lindy, Holmes, Lollar, BN, customer. I will probably have to go back to a day job. Once I do this, I will not have time to mess with this anymore.