WB or WCRs?

Goldtop75 · 01-22-2009, 01:14 AM

I'm trying to decide between a set of WB ********* pups and the WCR American Steele set. I'm looking for a sweet vintage neck pup, and a hot (rock and metal-able) bridge pup. I know both set probably can do the job well. But what's the difference between the 2? Anyone can tell me? Or does anyone have first hand experience of any of these 2 sets?

Technically, I'm looking for something that handles nice sweet tones in the neck, where I can comfortably play old Santana, Gary Moore, Peter Green stuff without much tweaking, and high gain stuff like AlterBridge and Evanescence for the bridge with a metal pedal or a high gain distortion pedal.

Suggestions?

5F6-A · 01-22-2009, 03:02 AM

the ********* is a killer combo for what you describe. Alos you could ask for your own combination. My cool Overtones neck and hot ******** team works like a charm. Just tell Will.

Jim Wagnwer winds some mean pickups too.

nwobhm · 01-22-2009, 01:14 PM

I had the ********* set, good for what you described.What's the Overtone?

Goldtop75 · 01-23-2009, 08:32 AM

I note more support for the WBs over the WCRs here. Is it the cost factor?

***Led Zep Fan*** · 01-23-2009, 08:42 AM

I love my WCRs, I think it's because Jim from WCR doesn't post here all the time that he's not supported in the same way. WB has a lot of backers promoting his stuff here.

***b-squared*** · 01-23-2009, 10:59 AM

I've tried several WB sets, and haven't tried any WCRs, so I cannot compare.

I can say that the WBs are outstanding pickups, and worth every penny.

BB

Goldtop75 · 01-23-2009, 12:14 PM

To Hell with both sets... (literally) After listening to a lot of clips, i've ordered the heaven & Hell set from WB. THAT'S what I've been looking for. Heheheh...

Thanks Guys...

EEF13 · 01-23-2009, 01:43 PM

i hear those are pretty hot

uOpt · 01-23-2009, 03:07 PM

Not enough people have tested both in the same guitar. It's a crapshot.

My experience so far is a nod towards WCR. I like the Crossroads better than the PG **** set. The crossroads has some sparkle in there that most other pickups are missing. It might be just a difference in potting, if the WCR is potted at all, but that's what I hear.

***b-squared*** · 01-23-2009, 03:12 PM

That's funny...my **** Greens absolutely scream, growl, and cry. They are some of the best pickups I've ever tried.

BB

uOpt · 01-23-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

That's funny...my **** Greens absolutely scream, growl, and cry. They are some of the best pickups I've ever tried.

That's why it's a matter of taste I suppose

Fixxxer · 01-23-2009, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

That's funny...my **** Greens absolutely scream, growl, and cry. They are some of the best pickups I've ever tried.

BB

Dude, it rhymes.... put a beat boxer on it and you gotz yourself a rap career....

captcoolaid · 01-23-2009, 07:55 PM

WCR and WB

NAMM 2009

captcoolaid · 01-23-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uOpt

Not enough people have tested both in the same guitar. It's a crapshot.

My experience so far is a nod towards WCR. I like the Crossroads better than the PG **** set.

where did you get the PG****'s. you bought them from Greg? what number set did you have? I was under the impression that there was a limited number of sets made with the 67 wire. less than 50?

Goldtop75 · 01-23-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EEF13

i hear those are pretty hot

Yep... My initial complaint was that neither the Godwood or the ********* bridges gave me that modern feel I wanted. Then I heard the clips on the H&H set... "Ch-Ching!!!"

5F6-A · 01-24-2009, 01:31 AM

if you like modern, I think you are right....

diceman · 01-24-2009, 01:34 AM

Let us know how you like the H&H when they arrive! I really like my ********* set in my R8.

Goldtop75 · 01-24-2009, 04:47 AM

Will do... I'm only concerned, will they mud up in an LP? Will they be more suited in an HH bolt on?

uOpt · 01-26-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captcoolaid

where did you get the PG****'s. you bought them from Greg? what number set did you have? I was under the impression that there was a limited number of sets made with the 67 wire. less than 50?

Yeah, I got one of those when they came up on TGP.

Why?

SonicBoom · 01-26-2009, 08:38 PM

Check with Jeff (Weldaar) on this board. He's tried almost every pup known to man. Most of the tone samples in the pup tone sticky are from him.

greenalbatross · 01-28-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uOpt

Not enough people have tested both in the same guitar. It's a crapshot.

My experience so far is a nod towards WCR. I like the Crossroads better than the PG **** set. The crossroads has some sparkle in there that most other pickups are missing. It might be just a difference in potting, if the WCR is potted at all, but that's what I hear.

I have a set of WCR Green/Moore and 2 sets of the WB**** PG Set. I've tried both sets in my Tokai and the WBs sound far more balanced in that guitar. The WCRs were too hot and too low end heavy. In my Burny SG, the WCRs sound magical, whereas the WBs are heaven in my Tokai Love Rock. I wouldn't swap out either set in either guitar.

5F6-A · 01-29-2009, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenalbatross

I have a set of WCR Green/Moore and 2 sets of the WB**** PG Set. I've tried both sets in my Tokai and the WBs sound far more balanced in that guitar. The WCRs were too hot and too low end heavy. In my Burny SG, the WCRs sound magical, whereas the WBs are heaven in my Tokai Love Rock. I wouldn't swap out either set in either guitar.

I think you are right... I always found Wagner's Greenie specs a tad too hot. But the SG obviously enjoyed the extra meat...

GYang · 01-29-2009, 08:38 AM

In general WCR pickups of similar type sounds a bit more pleasant and wider to my ears. We talk nuances what might be matter of taste, but somehow WCR offer classier sounds in several of my LPs and I definitelly opt for it.
Only pickup manufacturer that might compare 100% favorably to WCR is Bare Knuckle (Mule and Darkburst are simply pure magic from bith campus).
IMFHO Wagner's price is grounded by fact that guy makes best among the best pickups.

***Led Zep Fan*** · 01-29-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GYang

IMFHO Wagner's price is grounded by fact that guy makes best among the best pickups.

Agreed.

greenalbatross · 01-29-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5F6-A

I think you are right... I always found Wagner's Greenie specs a tad too hot. But the SG obviously enjoyed the extra meat...

Dead on 5F6-A! My SG definitely needed the extra meat.

5F6-A · 01-29-2009, 01:25 PM

they usually do

Goldtop75 · 01-29-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GYang

In general WCR pickups of similar type sounds a bit more pleasant and wider to my ears. We talk nuances what might be matter of taste, but somehow WCR offer classier sounds in several of my LPs and I definitelly opt for it.

Yes, based on sound clips, I'd prefer the WCR Crossroads to the WB ********* neck pup. The WCR seems to be a tad sweeter, while the WB seems to be a little more in your face. Were I strictly going for a pure vintage tone, I'd go for WCRs, but the WB H&H set seems to be the one I'm looking for. I'm thinking rolling down on the volume knob on my

would do the trick for more vintage like stuff. heh.

01-22-2009, 01:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
Goldtop75 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,601 Thanks: 83 Thanked 54 Times in 26 Posts	WB or WCRs? I'm trying to decide between a set of WB ********* pups and the WCR American Steele set. I'm looking for a sweet vintage neck pup, and a hot (rock and metal-able) bridge pup. I know both set probably can do the job well. But what's the difference between the 2? Anyone can tell me? Or does anyone have first hand experience of any of these 2 sets? Technically, I'm looking for something that handles nice sweet tones in the neck, where I can comfortably play old Santana, Gary Moore, Peter Green stuff without much tweaking, and high gain stuff like AlterBridge and Evanescence for the bridge with a metal pedal or a high gain distortion pedal. Suggestions? Last edited by Goldtop75; 01-22-2009 at 02:11 AM.

01-22-2009, 03:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
5F6-A Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sir Titus Salt's Land Posts: 8,008 Thanks: 396 Thanked 504 Times in 119 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? the ******* is a killer combo for what you describe. Alos you could ask for your own combination. My cool Overtones neck and hot ****** team works like a charm. Just tell Will. Jim Wagnwer winds some mean pickups too. __________________ “The function of prayer is not to influence God, but rather to change the nature of the one who prays.” Sören Kierkegaard

01-22-2009, 01:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
nwobhm VintageOriginalSpec Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Coast Posts: 3,192 Thanks: 217 Thanked 46 Times in 20 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? I had the ********* set, good for what you described.What's the Overtone?

01-23-2009, 08:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
Goldtop75 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,601 Thanks: 83 Thanked 54 Times in 26 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? I note more support for the WBs over the WCRs here. Is it the cost factor?

01-23-2009, 08:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
*Led Zep Fan* MLP Anchorman Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 20,062 Thanks: 468 Thanked 817 Times in 320 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? I love my WCRs, I think it's because Jim from WCR doesn't post here all the time that he's not supported in the same way. WB has a lot of backers promoting his stuff here. __________________

Today
Les Paul	Sponsored Links __________________ This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members. Register your free account today and become a member on Les Paul Forums

01-23-2009, 10:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
*b-squared* MLP Pacific NW! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northwest WA Posts: 20,720 Thanks: 633 Thanked 713 Times in 104 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? I've tried several WB sets, and haven't tried any WCRs, so I cannot compare. I can say that the WBs are outstanding pickups, and worth every penny. BB __________________ Life's too short to deal with bad tone!

01-23-2009, 12:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Goldtop75 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,601 Thanks: 83 Thanked 54 Times in 26 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? To Hell with both sets... (literally) After listening to a lot of clips, i've ordered the heaven & Hell set from WB. THAT'S what I've been looking for. Heheheh... Thanks Guys...

01-23-2009, 01:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
EEF13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Panama City, Panama Posts: 8,409 Thanks: 307 Thanked 656 Times in 260 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? i hear those are pretty hot

01-23-2009, 03:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
uOpt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 739 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? Not enough people have tested both in the same guitar. It's a crapshot. My experience so far is a nod towards WCR. I like the Crossroads better than the PG **** set. The crossroads has some sparkle in there that most other pickups are missing. It might be just a difference in potting, if the WCR is potted at all, but that's what I hear.

01-23-2009, 03:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
*b-squared* MLP Pacific NW! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northwest WA Posts: 20,720 Thanks: 633 Thanked 713 Times in 104 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? That's funny...my **** Greens absolutely scream, growl, and cry. They are some of the best pickups I've ever tried. BB __________________ Life's too short to deal with bad tone!

01-23-2009, 07:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
captcoolaid Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nor Cal Beotch Posts: 11,163 Thanks: 374 Thanked 513 Times in 119 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? WCR and WB NAMM 2009 __________________ http://mhd-pickups.com/ Luthier pricing available. Or visit my youtube page http://www.youtube.com/user/MHDPickups?feature=mhum#p/f http://soundcloud.com/mhd-pickups/madhousedesigns-gameybluesmp3 DC DOES NOT EQUAL OUTPUT. Dc is a resistance value and that is all. It WILL NOT tell you what it will sound like, it WILL NOT make you sound like another player.

01-24-2009, 01:31 AM	#16 (permalink)
5F6-A Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sir Titus Salt's Land Posts: 8,008 Thanks: 396 Thanked 504 Times in 119 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? if you like modern, I think you are right.... __________________ “The function of prayer is not to influence God, but rather to change the nature of the one who prays.” Sören Kierkegaard

01-24-2009, 01:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 29,930 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 419 Times in 83 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? Let us know how you like the H&H when they arrive! I really like my ********* set in my R8.

01-24-2009, 04:47 AM	#18 (permalink)
Goldtop75 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,601 Thanks: 83 Thanked 54 Times in 26 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? Will do... I'm only concerned, will they mud up in an LP? Will they be more suited in an HH bolt on?

01-26-2009, 08:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
SonicBoom Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 373 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? Check with Jeff (Weldaar) on this board. He's tried almost every pup known to man. Most of the tone samples in the pup tone sticky are from him. __________________ Turn on, plug in, crank up, and rock out! '79 Cherry Sunburst Custom '01 Dickey Betts Goldie - 80 of 114 '00 Chandler Lectraslide '70 Marshall 1959 Super Lead '00 Marshall 1987x 4x12 - JBL D120s '64 Vibroverb - JBL D130F '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnico '77 Peavey Deuce (120W of pain - great for melting stubborn ear wax)

01-29-2009, 08:38 AM	#23 (permalink)
GYang Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? In general WCR pickups of similar type sounds a bit more pleasant and wider to my ears. We talk nuances what might be matter of taste, but somehow WCR offer classier sounds in several of my LPs and I definitelly opt for it. Only pickup manufacturer that might compare 100% favorably to WCR is Bare Knuckle (Mule and Darkburst are simply pure magic from bith campus). IMFHO Wagner's price is grounded by fact that guy makes best among the best pickups.

01-29-2009, 01:25 PM	#26 (permalink)
5F6-A Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sir Titus Salt's Land Posts: 8,008 Thanks: 396 Thanked 504 Times in 119 Posts	Re: WB or WCRs? they usually do __________________ “The function of prayer is not to influence God, but rather to change the nature of the one who prays.” Sören Kierkegaard

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode