"Over The Pond Guy" PAFs - Page 11

AllmanJoy77 · 02-23-2009, 06:45 PM

Im going to have to agree with Liam on the second to the left in OTP2

BOBBO · 02-23-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BOBBO

Please try and pick out the " Over the Pond Guy " PAF screw from the picture here !!! There are 5 REAL PAF screws in the picture and 1 OTP screw ...

OTP1

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Originally Posted by BOBBO

Here is another angle so people can see the screw heads better !!! For the sake of keeping things organized ... The first pic will be referred to as OTP1 and this pic will be OTP2 ...

OTP2

Should I make this challenge it's own thread with a POLL ???

BOBBO · 02-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Take the " Over the Pond Guy " Challenge !!!

Take the " Over the Pond Guy " Challenge !!!

Take the " Over the Pond Guy " Challenge !!!

1958BURST · 02-25-2009, 11:56 AM

Bob
Just got my first set of double black OTPs dialed in my personal vintage player, I have to say, they really are all that people have been raving about. Well built, great sustain and superb note clarity, an excellent choice for a PAF replica. My hat's off to the OTP team for making truly a superior alternative for the tone connoisseur.
Regards,
Scott

BOBBO · 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1958BURST

Bob
Just got my first set of double black OTPs dialed in my personal vintage player, I have to say, they really are all that people have been raving about. Well built, great sustain and superb note clarity, an excellent choice for a PAF replica. My hat's off to the OTP team for making truly a superior alternative for the tone connoisseur.
Regards,
Scott

I'm really glad your digging them Scott !!! Coming from you , That's like the Good Housekeeping seal of approval !!! ... Here is a shot of the awsome set of OTP double blacks that I sent to Scott !!! How about a shot of them in your shop guitar ???

Liam · 02-25-2009, 06:09 PM

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Well built, great sustain and superb note clarity, an excellent choice for a PAF replica.

Mmmm... Note clarity... That's what I really liked about them. (Homer Simpson moment!)

What with all this Seymour Duncan stuff about "you can't hand wind humbuckers", let's talk winding techniques on OTP...

(Going to have to qualify that with the fact that if you keep watching, it becomes clear that you can handwind humbuckers if you're careful, but "scatter" winding them is probably going to lead to trouble with the ends of the bobbins.)

Bobbo, do you know what he uses? It'd be interesting to hear about it, as they sound pretty amazing to me. Is Mr Duncan wrong about whether they can be hand wound and still sound good?

Nugget · 02-26-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam

Mmmm... Note clarity... That's what I really liked about them. (Homer Simpson moment!)

What with all this Seymour Duncan stuff about "you can't hand wind humbuckers", let's talk winding techniques on OTP...

(Going to have to qualify that with the fact that if you keep watching, it becomes clear that you can handwind humbuckers if you're careful, but "scatter" winding them is probably going to lead to trouble with the ends of the bobbins.)

Bobbo, do you know what he uses? It'd be interesting to hear about it, as they sound pretty amazing to me. Is Mr Duncan wrong about whether they can be hand wound and still sound good?

It's not economical to have teams of people handwinding humbuckers and this is the reason big companies come out with absurd statements like this.
In the same way, individual winders come up with statements like this when the truth is that they can't handwind a good humbucker to save their lives.

Sgt.Pepper · 02-26-2009, 02:58 AM

The thing is that Seymour Duncan is actually a really fussy guy who imposes really high standards on his own work. Part of this is wanting a humbucker to be as absolutely quiet as possible, and I remember when he used to offer a service to measure the coils of old humbuckers and remove windings till they were identical in measurement. I'm sure his statement about machine winding humbuckers has everything to do with completely quiet operation by getting the two coils as similar to each other as possible, especially when you consider that some of the older machines, like his Leesonas make quite random scatter patterns, closer to hand winding compared to modern winders.
FWIW even though a multitude of boutique winders have emerged recently, I think Mr. Duncan is not only a nice guy but makes a superb product, although I would be more inclined to buy the ones he has more of a hand in such as the Antiquities, or Duncan Custom Shop pickups.

Nigel Tufnel's tech · 02-26-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper

I'm sure his statement about machine winding humbuckers has everything to do with completely quiet operation by getting the two coils as similar to each other as possible,

That is what i took away from seeing the video after he said hand wound pickups that he has rewound came in with different coil readings, So like Sgt said i also presume he likes to get them evenly matched. Also he Say's hand-wound humbuckers result in bobbin flare, but as we know a skilled winder will produce a coil without this happening. At no point does he say anything about the resulting sound been better of worse.

Liam · 02-26-2009, 04:28 PM

Whenever someone tells me something can't be done, alarm bells start ringing in my head. I've spent time doing stuff that can't be done when I was younger, and now I'm well into middle age I have to check myself before I make statements like that, even if I'm working on things I've been doing over 20 years.

Nigel Tufnel's tech · 02-27-2009, 06:18 AM

One thing i did learn from the Seymour clip is the exsistance of these.

BOBBO · 03-02-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel's tech

One thing i did learn from the Seymour clip is the exsistance of these.

OK i'll bite .. What the heck are those ???

Sgt.Pepper · 03-02-2009, 03:49 PM

Well, it clearly says on them "Azonic Wisker Disk" but I don't think we should tell you what they're used for before you reveal the OTP screw.

Nigel Tufnel's tech · 03-02-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper

Well, it clearly says on them "Azonic Wisker Disk" but I don't think we should tell you what they're used for before you reveal the OTP screw.

BOBBO · 03-04-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper

Well, it clearly says on them "Azonic Wisker Disk" but I don't think we should tell you what they're used for before you reveal the OTP screw.

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Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel's tech

OK ... The cat is out of the bag in the OTP screw thread ... Now what the heck is a whisker disc ... I was just gonna Google it ... but ...

Sgt.Pepper · 03-04-2009, 06:22 PM

Cute cat. OK, a whisker disc fits round the neck of follically challenged felines so they don't get stuck in too small holes!

Oh! you meant wisker disc? Well that fits on the top of a spool of wire so the strands help the wire come off the spool more smoothly right to the end.

BOBBO · 03-04-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper

Cute cat. OK, a whisker disc fits round the neck of follically challenged felines so they don't get stuck in too small holes!

Oh! you meant wisker disc? Well that fits on the top of a spool of wire so the strands help the wire come off the spool more smoothly right to the end.

Are you sure that's what it's for ??? Nigel said it was for slicing into lil bitesize bits for kitty's !!!

Nigel Tufnel's tech · 03-05-2009, 05:54 AM

No your both wrong, it's used to help you creat this.

...otpg uses them to keep "Snozwangers" and "Vermicious knids" from eating his Oompa Loompa's.

BOBBO · 03-05-2009, 10:51 AM

Nugget · 03-05-2009, 12:45 PM

Now, I didn't tell you this but those stamps haven't been franked. Send them back to the pond guy and he can use them again.

59gibson · 03-07-2009, 03:33 PM

Thanks BOBO,

They've been in my R-9 for a week and I cannot be happier. They are outsatanding PAFs clones.
I've owned several PAFs guitars over the years and these are as good as they get. They have the smoothness,
clarity, great low end(with no mudd) and clear highs that are not harsh. The neck pup gets a great "hollow"
woody tone and will growl when pushed. The bridge gets just enough highs (great harmonics) and screams
without being harsh. The middle postion gets a great jangle, like vintage Bloomfield

Plus they look awesome

Thanks again. Here's a pic.

V!N · 03-07-2009, 07:06 PM

All historic accuracy put aside, is there anybody who can tell from their own experience how these compare with Timbuckers ?

BOBBO · 03-08-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V!N

All historic accuracy put aside, is there anybody who can tell from their own experience how these compare with Timbuckers ?

I've never played Timbuckers but hear they are good pups ... OTPG PAF's are a pretty rare breed , I don't know if you'll find many people who've had his PAF's and a set of Tim's , I'm sure lots of pickup guys wind great PAF sounding pickups but OTPG goes to extremes to duplicate the details associated with a PAF and since nobody else is doing that , Really there is nobody to compare him to !!!

BOBBO · 03-12-2009, 05:46 PM

V!N · 03-12-2009, 11:20 PM

With all these new owners of OTPG PAFs, will there be any new recordings available ?

Mr 59gibson, your pickup height adjustment screws barely look long enough in that pic.
Is the sweet spot on these really that far away from the strings ?

59gibson · 03-13-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by V!N

With all these new owners of OTPG PAFs, will there be any new recordings available ?

Mr 59gibson, your pickup height adjustment screws barely look long enough in that pic.
Is the sweet spot on these really that far away from the strings ?

V!N,

I think it's just the pic. Actually they're NOT far away from the strings at all. I did lower the adjustment screws to be flush with the top of each hole in order to RAISE the pups up to the max.

V!N · 03-13-2009, 10:16 AM

My perception must be on a holiday. In that pic, it still looks to me like the bobbins aren't peeking over the edge of the M69's.

So it's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.

Killer guitar by the way ! I like the cracked 69'er, was this intentional aging ?

59gibson · 03-13-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by V!N

Killer guitar by the way ! I like the cracked 69'er, was this intentional aging ?

Thanks

Nope, not intentional aging. Just me being clumsy when I changed pups. That front ring is pretty fragile, I guess I squeezed too hard and it snapped. Lucky the screw keeps it in place.

Liam · 03-14-2009, 08:57 AM

A little over 3 months after trying a borrowed set (eternally grateful, mate!) this morning the postman brought me my very own pair of OTPG PAFs. They look great:

I've had these rings for a while now, and was saving them for a special occasion. Today feels like a special occasion.

This pair of pickups measure a little higher on the meter than the last pair I tried, 8.30 k ohm on the bridge and 7.67 k ohm on the neck. (Last pair were 7.95 / 7.56). This pair are also zebras, but since they've got covers on no-one will ever know except you lot, me and the OTP Guy.

They will be in a guitar by the end of the weekend. I can't wait to see what they sound like.

Liam

BOBBO · 03-15-2009, 08:41 AM

02-23-2009, 06:45 PM	#301 (permalink)
AllmanJoy77 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 580 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs Im going to have to agree with Liam on the second to the left in OTP2 __________________ ___________________________________________

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1958BURST Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 326 Thanks: 12 Thanked 87 Times in 6 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs *Bob* Just got my first set of double black OTPs dialed in my personal vintage player, I have to say, they really are all that people have been raving about. Well built, great sustain and superb note clarity, an excellent choice for a PAF replica. My hat's off to the OTP team for making truly a superior alternative for the tone connoisseur. *Regards,* *Scott*

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Sgt.Pepper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 949 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs The thing is that Seymour Duncan is actually a really fussy guy who imposes really high standards on his own work. Part of this is wanting a humbucker to be as absolutely quiet as possible, and I remember when he used to offer a service to measure the coils of old humbuckers and remove windings till they were identical in measurement. I'm sure his statement about machine winding humbuckers has everything to do with completely quiet operation by getting the two coils as similar to each other as possible, especially when you consider that some of the older machines, like his Leesonas make quite random scatter patterns, closer to hand winding compared to modern winders. FWIW even though a multitude of boutique winders have emerged recently, I think Mr. Duncan is not only a nice guy but makes a superb product, although I would be more inclined to buy the ones he has more of a hand in such as the Antiquities, or Duncan Custom Shop pickups.

02-26-2009, 04:28 PM	#310 (permalink)
Liam V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Preston, Lancashire, United Kingdom Posts: 5,183 Thanks: 87 Thanked 105 Times in 24 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs Whenever someone tells me something can't be done, alarm bells start ringing in my head. I've spent time doing stuff that can't be done when I was younger, and now I'm well into middle age I have to check myself before I make statements like that, even if I'm working on things I've been doing over 20 years.

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Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: In good old England Posts: 3,294 Thanks: 6 Thanked 100 Times in 27 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs One thing i did learn from the Seymour clip is the exsistance of these. __________________ Nigel is always one louder than you.

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Sgt.Pepper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 949 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs Well, it clearly says on them "Azonic Wisker Disk" but I don't think we should tell you what they're used for before you reveal the OTP screw.

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Sgt.Pepper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 949 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs Cute cat. OK, a whisker disc fits round the neck of follically challenged felines so they don't get stuck in too small holes! Oh! you meant wisker disc? Well that fits on the top of a spool of wire so the strands help the wire come off the spool more smoothly right to the end.

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Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: In good old England Posts: 3,294 Thanks: 6 Thanked 100 Times in 27 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs No your both wrong, it's used to help you creat this. ...otpg uses them to keep "Snozwangers" and "Vermicious knids" from eating his Oompa Loompa's. __________________ Nigel is always one louder than you.

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59gibson Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 706 Thanks: 1 Thanked 26 Times in 7 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs Thanks BOBO, They've been in my R-9 for a week and I cannot be happier. They are outsatanding PAFs clones. I've owned several PAFs guitars over the years and these are as good as they get. They have the smoothness, clarity, great low end(with no mudd) and clear highs that are not harsh. The neck pup gets a great "hollow" woody tone and will growl when pushed. The bridge gets just enough highs (great harmonics) and screams without being harsh. The middle postion gets a great jangle, like vintage Bloomfield Plus they look awesome Thanks again. Here's a pic.

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V!N Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Working on De-Railroad Posts: 4,084 Thanks: 79 Thanked 113 Times in 25 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs All historic accuracy put aside, is there anybody who can tell from their own experience how these compare with Timbuckers ? __________________ I've been driving all night, my hands wet on the wheel.

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V!N Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Working on De-Railroad Posts: 4,084 Thanks: 79 Thanked 113 Times in 25 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs With all these new owners of OTPG PAFs, will there be any new recordings available ? Mr 59gibson, your pickup height adjustment screws barely look long enough in that pic. Is the sweet spot on these really that far away from the strings ? __________________ I've been driving all night, my hands wet on the wheel.

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V!N Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Working on De-Railroad Posts: 4,084 Thanks: 79 Thanked 113 Times in 25 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs My perception must be on a holiday. In that pic, it still looks to me like the bobbins aren't peeking over the edge of the M69's. So it's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one. Killer guitar by the way ! I like the cracked 69'er, was this intentional aging ? __________________ I've been driving all night, my hands wet on the wheel.

03-14-2009, 08:57 AM	#329 (permalink)
Liam V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Preston, Lancashire, United Kingdom Posts: 5,183 Thanks: 87 Thanked 105 Times in 24 Posts	Re: "Over The Pond Guy" PAFs A little over 3 months after trying a borrowed set (eternally grateful, mate!) this morning the postman brought me my very own pair of OTPG PAFs. They look great: I've had these rings for a while now, and was saving them for a special occasion. Today feels like a special occasion. This pair of pickups measure a little higher on the meter than the last pair I tried, 8.30 k ohm on the bridge and 7.67 k ohm on the neck. (Last pair were 7.95 / 7.56). This pair are also zebras, but since they've got covers on no-one will ever know except you lot, me and the OTP Guy. They will be in a guitar by the end of the weekend. I can't wait to see what they sound like. Liam

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