My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" - Page 5

SKATTERBRANE · 03-21-2012, 04:58 PM

Yes, please do!

mdubya · 03-21-2012, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skatterbrane

yes, please do!

+1.

bill m · 03-21-2012, 06:26 PM

Ok. First I would like to start off saying that this was very difficult and I had to do a lot of close listening. I downloaded all the clips and first listened through my studio headphones and got my first impressions. Second, I burnt a dvd and listened on my HK home theater system. Third, I loaded all clips into my video software and separated all the bridge pickups, the neck pickups, and the in between positions. So, I then listened to all the bridges together, then the necks, and finally the mid positions. I did this over the last few days in small increments as not to get fatigued. Now I have come to my final top 5 picks which were chosen not only on individual pickup sounds, but on total sound ( would I like this SET in my guitar) and here are my choices from first to last.

#12

#7

#15

#5

#1

bill m · 03-21-2012, 06:27 PM

I forgot to add, that I voted #12 in the pole itself

cooljuk · 03-21-2012, 06:41 PM

Should I vote on my favorites or post my written notes?

I'm finding it hard to vote as I think the different sets would have their strengths in different situations.

SKATTERBRANE · 03-21-2012, 07:18 PM

Notes! Notes!

bill m · 03-21-2012, 07:38 PM

I voted, but also let everyone know how I came to my conclusion. I voted by pickup sets, not by individual pickups. I would be proud to own any of the sets in this shootout

mdubya · 03-21-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooljuk

Should I vote on my favorites or post my written notes?

I'm finding it hard to vote as I think the different sets would have their strengths in different situations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Notes! Notes!

Both!

bill m · 03-21-2012, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooljuk

Should I vote on my favorites or post my written notes?

I'm finding it hard to vote as I think the different sets would have their strengths in different situations.

If I were you I would vote and post your written notes, but I would also list your favorites in order. I think jamman needs definitive votes to be able to tally up this poll. My 2c

fuelie · 03-21-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill m

I think jamman needs definitive votes to be able to tally up this poll. My 2c

That's what I was thinking.... It seems not too many are voting. I'm not sure what's going on but I thought people would be all over this thread.

Lowdown · 03-21-2012, 08:43 PM

Wow!
That was a lot of work,just listening and choosing,let alone all the trouble you went to to do this for us,Jeff.
Gotta hand it to you,mate,you did an absolutely outstanding job.

OK,here's mine,favourite to least and I must add,I too chose by the set,not individually:

1. Vid #9
2. #16
3. #4
4. #5
5. #13

Thanx again

cooljuk · 03-21-2012, 08:45 PM

ok, I'll list a few of my top choices (ones that I think would fit me/my guitars well) along with my notes. ...tomorrowish.

jamman · 03-21-2012, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAG7890

Nico & Jamman.................I am feeling the love!

Sorry guys, I have not finished my listening.....................best post I can come up with today.

I know you can do better than that

so i'll be waiting .......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam

Great job, and a really good bit of playing, and a really worthwhile exercise. I will vote when I've litened to them all on decent headphones.

However, a comment on the recording. Notice how the backing track fades down as the guitar starts playing, and then comes back up when it stops? That's the video camera's automatic level control taking the recording level down as the sound pressure level in the room goes up. Effectively reducing the dynamic range to make the recording clearer. Which is good for things to sound nice, but bad in that all the pickups sound like they've got a bit more attack and a bit more bloom than they have in real life.

I can guess just how much work you put into this, so I really don't want to seem like I'm putting it down. All the pickups definitely get a fair run for their money, and an unbiased shot at people finding out what they are like.

Thanks for doing this - I'll do my best to get them all listened to.

Liam

Thanks for the very kind words, Liam . Lt. Kojak also asked about this problem . I checked the camera and there was no way to turn that function off. I agree , it would have been much better without it . Everyone's input is wanted and needed . And yes , the amount of work that went into this was even more than I had invisioned .

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill m

I've done all of my listening and have decided my top 5 picks. If it is appropriate I'd like to post them?

Of course you can post them . It's all good .

jamman · 03-21-2012, 09:04 PM

Hey LowDown , thanks for the kind words . I'm glad i don't have to pick

just 1 .

There is no rush to vote , as it's only Wensday ......

If people vote that's great . I think they need so time to take it all in . Next Friday and Saturday should tell us more . Imo .

Lowdown · 03-21-2012, 09:16 PM

Mate,it was/is very very hard and also a little disconcerting,considering as I have a set of Shep's Tributes on their way to me.

What if I didn't even pick them

I'm going back to the studio and crank it again through the speakers down there.
I've listened so far,to them through my studio system,computer speakers and headphones...I'm quite aware that what's been pressed and what these are like in the flesh are 2 completely different things...but I think they ALL truly hold up well.

There is NO BAD/WORST. They are ALL GOOD.

But alas...there can be only 1

* #9 was the Shep's,right. Huh?

jiveturkey1 · 03-21-2012, 10:08 PM

Thanks for the time and effort you spent!!

Hector Arcadius · 03-22-2012, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowdown

Mate,it was/is very very hard and also a little disconcerting,considering as I have a set of Shep's Tributes on their way to me.

What if I didn't even pick them

You got nervous for that? Imagine how the winders in here feel that it's quite possible that they don't get to pick their own pickups...!

(just messing with you boys! Truly, there is no such a thing as a bad pair of pickups in this company.

)

Lowdown · 03-22-2012, 01:31 AM

stiff cheddar.

The one thing this will show,is just how diverse everyones definition of their ideal tone is.

RAG7890 · 03-22-2012, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowdown

stiff cheddar.

The one thing this will show,is just how diverse everyones definition of their ideal tone is.

+ 1

Agree, as I have said many times before, there is a big difference in Vintage PAF tones vs. Modern PAF tones................& many in between.

What one person likes another will not & so on.

My 2c FWIW.

bill m · 03-22-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hector Arcadius

You got nervous for that? Imagine how the winders in here feel that it's quite possible that they don't get to pick their own pickups...!

I voted honestly as I picked the best sounding vids, to me, with no regard to possibly picking my own. I could care less about where my pickups rank as I've even stated this to jamman long before the shootout. I care more about how my pickups compare tonally to the others, and from the sound of all of the vids, all of the pickups in this shootout compare very well to each other. Everyone should be proud.

geetarfreek82 · 03-22-2012, 02:14 PM

Heck, I joined this forum (finally, after lurking for years) just because I wanted to participate in this shootout! And I wanted to participate in this shootout as a shopper! I can't wait for the reveal!

freefrog · 03-22-2012, 03:48 PM

I vote for Jamman.

Then, those which "talk" to me at the first notes are the...

*

*

*

(Chronological order)

EDIT: I had mentioned three numbers but finally, I don't want to bias the poll by claiming my choice. Hence the nice little *** above.

I prefer the mentioned PU's... on this amp, through this cable, on this guitar with these pots and strings, played with this pick by this player. My humble choice could be different if one of these parms changed.

Thx - thx - thx to have posted that, Jamman!!!

bill m · 03-22-2012, 05:36 PM

Freefrog, By all means vote your choices.

I'm glad to see people vote with the poll. I like to see the pretty colored lines.

jamman · 03-22-2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetarfreek82

Heck, I joined this forum (finally, after lurking for years) just because I wanted to participate in this shootout! And I wanted to participate in this shootout as a shopper! I can't wait for the reveal!

Welcome to the forum . Everyone is welcome here. Imo , this is the LP forum to be at . Have fun .

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefrog

I vote for Jamman.

Then, those which "talk" to me at the first notes are the...

*

*

*

(Chronological order)

EDIT: I had mentioned three numbers but finally, I don't want to bias the poll by claiming my choice. Hence the nice little *** above.

I prefer the mentioned PU's... on this amp, through this cable, on this guitar with these pots and strings, played with this pick by this player. My humble choice could be different if one of these parms changed.

Thx - thx - thx to have posted that, Jamman!!!

WoW

I'm not often at a loss for a words, but I'm speechless . Thanks for the very kind words . I to like the colors , vote for the 1 you like the most. It's all good .

Rigidarm · 03-22-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowdown

stiff cheddar.

The one thing this will show,is just how diverse everyones definition of their ideal tone is.

Sure seems to be shaping up that way. I am surprised by all of the points of view. Sure makes it more fun. Can't just post a comment without THANKING JAMMAN AGAIN, really from the heart.

Mouse · 03-22-2012, 11:46 PM

#16
#11
really hard to decide but those seems to have nice attack.

Goldtop75 · 03-23-2012, 04:49 AM

Love #4... What is it?

JCarno · 03-23-2012, 06:18 AM

Favorite First:
1. 11
2. 3
3. 8

cochrane · 03-23-2012, 06:36 AM

What a nice thing to have done for everyone, kudos.

(Anyone ever done this for P90s?)

RAG7890 · 03-23-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cochrane

What a nice thing to have done for everyone, kudos.

(Anyone ever done this for P90s?)

................not that I am aware of but Jamman did tell me he wanted to follow this test up with another for about 20 x P90 sets.

...........

.............nah, I am just playing with his mind again.

View Poll Results: Vote for the one you like the Most. 1st is best, down to last & is not you cup of tea
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Next choice	5	20.83%
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

03-21-2012, 04:58 PM	#121 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Yes, please do!

03-21-2012, 06:26 PM	#123 (permalink)
bill m Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 677 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Ok. First I would like to start off saying that this was very difficult and I had to do a lot of close listening. I downloaded all the clips and first listened through my studio headphones and got my first impressions. Second, I burnt a dvd and listened on my HK home theater system. Third, I loaded all clips into my video software and separated all the bridge pickups, the neck pickups, and the in between positions. So, I then listened to all the bridges together, then the necks, and finally the mid positions. I did this over the last few days in small increments as not to get fatigued. Now I have come to my final top 5 picks which were chosen not only on individual pickup sounds, but on total sound ( would I like this SET in my guitar) and here are my choices from first to last. #12 #7 #15 #5 #1 5F6-A, Frails, mdubya and 2 others like this. __________________ Bill Megela www.electriccitypickups.com Vintage Tone at its Best http://www.youtube.com/user/ElectricCityPickups1

03-21-2012, 06:27 PM	#124 (permalink)
bill m Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 677 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" I forgot to add, that I voted #12 in the pole itself mdubya and jamman like this. __________________ Bill Megela www.electriccitypickups.com Vintage Tone at its Best http://www.youtube.com/user/ElectricCityPickups1

03-21-2012, 06:41 PM	#125 (permalink)
cooljuk Bartlett RetroPAF Vendor Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 9,119 Thanks: 567 Thanked 310 Times in 78 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Should I vote on my favorites or post my written notes? I'm finding it hard to vote as I think the different sets would have their strengths in different situations. __________________ Video Demos and More Below www.re-wind.net ReWind Electric on Facebook My name is James and I build PAFs.

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03-21-2012, 07:18 PM	#126 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Notes! Notes! jamman likes this.

03-21-2012, 07:38 PM	#127 (permalink)
bill m Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 677 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" I voted, but also let everyone know how I came to my conclusion. I voted by pickup sets, not by individual pickups. I would be proud to own any of the sets in this shootout jamman likes this. __________________ Bill Megela www.electriccitypickups.com Vintage Tone at its Best http://www.youtube.com/user/ElectricCityPickups1

03-21-2012, 08:43 PM	#131 (permalink)
Lowdown Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 158 Thanked 44 Times in 14 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Wow! That was a lot of work,just listening and choosing,let alone all the trouble you went to to do this for us,Jeff. Gotta hand it to you,mate,you did an absolutely outstanding job. OK,here's mine,favourite to least and I must add,I too chose by the set,not individually: 1. Vid #9 2. #16 3. #4 4. #5 5. #13 Thanx again jamman likes this.

03-21-2012, 08:45 PM	#132 (permalink)
cooljuk Bartlett RetroPAF Vendor Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 9,119 Thanks: 567 Thanked 310 Times in 78 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" ok, I'll list a few of my top choices (ones that I think would fit me/my guitars well) along with my notes. ...tomorrowish. bill m and jamman like this. __________________ Video Demos and More Below www.re-wind.net ReWind Electric on Facebook My name is James and I build PAFs.

03-21-2012, 09:04 PM	#134 (permalink)
jamman Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: So. Fla. Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 143 Thanked 150 Times in 24 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Hey LowDown , thanks for the kind words . I'm glad i don't have to pick just 1 . There is no rush to vote , as it's only Wensday ...... If people vote that's great . I think they need so time to take it all in . Next Friday and Saturday should tell us more . Imo . Lowdown likes this.

03-21-2012, 09:16 PM	#135 (permalink)
Lowdown Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 158 Thanked 44 Times in 14 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Mate,it was/is very very hard and also a little disconcerting,considering as I have a set of Shep's Tributes on their way to me. What if I didn't even pick them I'm going back to the studio and crank it again through the speakers down there. I've listened so far,to them through my studio system,computer speakers and headphones...I'm quite aware that what's been pressed and what these are like in the flesh are 2 completely different things...but I think they ALL truly hold up well. There is NO BAD/WORST. They are ALL GOOD. But alas...there can be only 1 * #9 was the Shep's,right. Huh? cooljuk, Hector Arcadius and RAG7890 like this.

03-21-2012, 10:08 PM	#136 (permalink)
jiveturkey1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: pointing to bottom left, back of left hand Posts: 1,012 Thanks: 60 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Thanks for the time and effort you spent!! jamman likes this. __________________ "There's a man in the toilet sellin' aftershave. Now what's that all about?"

03-22-2012, 01:31 AM	#138 (permalink)
Lowdown Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 158 Thanked 44 Times in 14 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" stiff cheddar. The one thing this will show,is just how diverse everyones definition of their ideal tone is. Quill, RAG7890, jamman and 1 others like this.

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geetarfreek82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Moosic, Pa Posts: 350 Thanks: 11 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Heck, I joined this forum (finally, after lurking for years) just because I wanted to participate in this shootout! And I wanted to participate in this shootout as a shopper! I can't wait for the reveal! jamman likes this.

03-22-2012, 03:48 PM	#142 (permalink)
freefrog Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 534 Thanks: 7 Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" I vote for Jamman. Then, those which "talk" to me at the first notes are the... * * * (Chronological order) EDIT: I had mentioned three numbers but finally, I don't want to bias the poll by claiming my choice. Hence the nice little * above.** I prefer the mentioned PU's... on this amp, through this cable, on this guitar with these pots and strings, played with this pick by this player. My humble choice could be different if one of these parms changed. Thx - thx - thx to have posted that, Jamman!!! jamman likes this. Last edited by freefrog; 03-22-2012 at 04:39 PM.

03-22-2012, 05:36 PM	#143 (permalink)
bill m Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 677 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" Freefrog, By all means vote your choices. I'm glad to see people vote with the poll. I like to see the pretty colored lines. jamman likes this. __________________ Bill Megela www.electriccitypickups.com Vintage Tone at its Best http://www.youtube.com/user/ElectricCityPickups1

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Mouse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Dalmatia Posts: 1,204 Thanks: 31 Thanked 20 Times in 5 Posts	Re: My Last PAF (CLONE) "SHOOT-OUT" #16 #11 really hard to decide but those seems to have nice attack. jamman likes this. __________________ Kansas City Radio KCFX 101 Leslie's Pickups

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