Double White PAFs from 1959

[Actinic]

Nearly $9.3 grand for the pair:



Ebay item is 160746856530.

Vintage Gibson 1959 PAFs Double White bobbins Patent Applied For pickups | eBay

Anyone know the seller?

[captain tightpants]

I'm sorry if this offends, but $10,000 is just a ridiculous amount for a pair of frikkin' pickups. No guitar pickup on the planet is THAT phuckin' good.

[Fiftywattmafia]

Yes he is a member here and a solid reputable guy here.

Gibson Vintage 1959 Double White PAFs

[Fiftywattmafia]

Worth what the market will bear

[BrazenPicker]

I can well imagine these selling at that price. All you need is one rich guy who wants "the best" and for whom 10,000 dollars is a rounding error.

[Cas]

Market sets the price. Every. Time. Cant fight it, just accept it lol.

[jamman]

Originally Posted by BrazenPicker

I can well imagine these selling at that price. All you need is one rich guy who wants "the best" and for whom 10,000 dollars is a rounding error.

Now that's just funny ... But my kind of Math

I know the seller (good guy) and if your looking to buy them , buy them here . they are less in the members section , just to much for me , for pickups .

[dave1234]

from '59 or not, lol. thats a joke... to me at least. if I had 10 grand to blow on gear, a couple old PAFs would be the last thing on my mind. to each his own i guess, im sure theres some people who can justify spending 10 grand on pups.

[deepblue]

If I win lotto 6/49 tonight, I will buy them and give them away.
You have my word.

[Lowdown]

This'll be good...

[BrazenPicker]

Originally Posted by Lowdown

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I don't think that guy is going to get very old.

[SKATTERBRANE]

I started a thread about tennis shoes in the back stage. I promised to bring it to anyone's attention who complained about the price of ANYTHING:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160744195892...84.m1438.l2649

Nike

[Tim Plains]

Come on guys. A '59 burst is like $300,000. How much of that do you figure the pickups are worth?

[Tim Plains]

I'm an idiot...should have kept my old Jordans.

[slapshot]

or Dunks

[Wraptail]

As pointed out, a fair price is what someone's will to spend.

For someone looking to restore a vintage LP these are the "bee's knees."

If someone has $10 large to spend on pickups you can bet they're going in a guitar that is quite a bit more expensive than that. They surely have MUCH more money for gear that $10K.

There's no need to bitch out "rich" people, or anyone else for their economic stature. If you don't like it than go out there and make your own fortune. If you don't want to, are too lazy to or otherwise, that does not make it okay to criticise anyone. Carry on...

[Indyclone]

I thought I read that these were from an ES... not a Les Paul.

I don't know if that matters... or if the pole spacing is different or anything.

I also wonder how they got special "sticky" privileges in the member classified... also got a Facebook shout out.

I'm sure double white PAF's are a rare bird, and someone will buy them for a lot more than I'd be willing to pay... more power to 'em.

[zoork_1]

Originally Posted by captain tightpants

I'm sorry if this offends, but $10,000 is just a ridiculous amount for a pair of frikkin' pickups. No guitar pickup on the planet is THAT phuckin' good.

Might be if you play like a god after buying it...

/z

[captain tightpants]

I'll accept that, however that's about as likely as having tea with Jesus.

[BillB1960]

Originally Posted by Indyclone

I thought I read that these were from an ES... not a Les Paul.

I don't know if that matters... or if the pole spacing is different or anything.

I also wonder how they got special "sticky" privileges in the member classified... also got a Facebook shout out.

I'm sure double white PAF's are a rare bird, and someone will buy them for a lot more than I'd be willing to pay... more power to 'em.

I guess if enough people shit on your classified post the mods give you special priviledges?

[jamman]

Funny thing is, there was another set of Covered PAF's (claimed to be Double whites , only 1 bobbin color shown) that had sound clips on Ebay for like 8K and sold in like 2 days . Hummmmm . there are buyers in that market looking for that right price .

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[Actinic]

Originally Posted by Indyclone

I don't know if that matters... or if the pole spacing is different or anything.

This has standard pole spacing, according to

Gibson PAF Humbuckers Pickups Patent Applied For Pickups M69 M-69 pickup rings - Vintage Guitars Info

The models that used this narrow spacing neck PAF was the Byrdland, ES-350T, L-5CE, S-400CE and some Barney Kessel models. The distance on a narrow PAF from center to center of the two "E" adjustable poles is 1 13/16", compared to 1 15/16" on the "normal" spaced PAF pickup.

Since the covers are off, you can tell by the absence of an offset circle imprint.

Who would buy these pickups? The owner of the Gibson 1963 SG Custom, once owned by Mary Ford. Why not? This buyer (if he exists) paid $110,000 for a guitar with unknown pickups.

However, one of our own members sold a 1963 SG custom with 3 PAFs:

Vintage 1963 Gibson Les Paul SG Custom PAF's All Original | eBay

Not everyone in life is a bargain hunter. Sometimes the need for a part drives the buying decision more than the cost of the part. These double whites are rare, and time is a bigger factor than moolah.

[Hector Arcadius]

The terms of ''worth it'', ''justified'', ''expensive'', ''cheap'' and other similar are completely subjective and relevant to comparisons. After hearing the prices of hand-made classical instruments (like violins), both vintage and contemporary and the prices of fashion-items (like dresses and purces) I'm pretty much convinced that there are folks out there who feel that what an original '59 burst (and it's pickups) and certainly under-priced and in the future that their prices will rise further. And they have no problem spending the cash for either of them, seeing an investment opportunity.


Now if the price is justified to me, is a different thing altogether.

Originally Posted by Rude Dog

...

There's no need to bitch out "rich" people, or anyone else for their economic stature. If you don't like it than go out there and make your own fortune. If you don't want to, are too lazy to or otherwise, that does not make it okay to criticise anyone. Carry on...

...but I kindly disagree with this paragraph. It's, obviously, their right to spend their money as they see fit. But it's also my right to have my feelings and thoughts on their actions and criticize them accordingly.

I guess this had to do with the fact that I'm Greek. And Greeks came with the idea that there is no such thing as an action that has no social, and therefore political, implications. And they came with this idea 2,500 years ago.

To put it in other words, spending as much on a freaking pair of pickups instead of putting this money in some better use helping some people in need around me, would do some serious damage in my night sleep. And I like to sleep as a bird... I'm still amazed on how others do it.

[Wraptail]

Originally Posted by Hector Arcadius

The terms of ''worth it'', ''justified'', ''expensive'', ''cheap'' and other similar are completely subjective and relevant to comparisons. After hearing the prices of hand-made classical instruments (like violins), both vintage and contemporary and the prices of fashion-items (like dresses and purces) I'm pretty much convinced that there are folks out there who feel that what an original '59 burst (and it's pickups) and certainly under-priced and in the future that their prices will rise further. And they have no problem spending the cash for either of them, seeing an investment opportunity.


Now if the price is justified to me, is a different thing altogether.





...but I kindly disagree with this paragraph. It's, obviously, their right to spend their money as they see fit. But it's also my right to have my feelings and thoughts on their actions and criticize them accordingly.

I guess this had to do with the fact that I'm Greek. And Greeks came with the idea that there is no such thing as an action that has no social, and therefore political, implications. And they came with this idea 2,500 years ago.

To put it in other words, spending as much on a freaking pair of pickups instead of putting this money in some better use helping some people in need around me, would do some serious damage in my night sleep. And I like to sleep as a bird... I'm still amazed on how others do it.

With respect, I get what you're saying, but don't think that's a valid argument. I've heard it so many times related to so many things.

The most recent on an AM talk show. An owner of an expensive boutique children's clothing store was being interviewed. She explained that she gave 10% of her gross income to nonprofits, as well as helping them out in other ways. Another guest on the show was whining and moaning about the people that bought her products, that they should be buying cheaper clothes and helping others with the difference between the cheap clothes and expensive clothes and expressed no opinion on the boutique's philanthropic efforts (obviously included to add some sizzle to the interview and add a differennt point of view). What should those consumers do? Buy crap clothes at Walmart for $8 that turn to dust after being washed a few times then buy more? More maybe spend a little more and buy at Target? Or salt away a little more and buy at some suburban mall? Who's to say? Who's to judge? Is it okay to get my kid braces? He'll be just fine if I don't. Society would be better off if I took that money and gave it to some community enrichment program.

Or someone who works for a government health agency that helps people that are in dire need of that help. But they're under staffed and underpaid. What should they do? Should they work 12 hour days because it's needed by these people and neglect their own family + they get paid for only 8 hours a day?

And is it okay to buy a pair of $10K pickups? What about a apir of $250 pickups? What about a $6,000 Historic? Or a $400 Epiphone? Or a $100 First Act? Or taking your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend out to dinner? Or sendng your kids to a good school? Or flying them across the country to get the best-in-the-world treatment for a medical condition? What's okay and what's not? Who's qualified to pass judgement?

There is no objective answer... there's so many people suffering in so many ways and it's truly not okay.

I get what you're saying about one's actions and the cause and effect of such. This is not unique to any one society, and for sure there has been more than one culture that has born such, and people that have strove for it for thousands of years. These are great goals, but more importantly - great achievements that happen on along such a path. That's what life's about - the path... and if someone buys a pair of $10K pickups along the way I'm cool with that.

It is a great topic to discuss, even if there is no answer.

[jiveturkey1]

I wonder how they'd sound in a Studio

[Hector Arcadius]

At Rude Dog:


That was an EXCELLENT post brother. Honestly. And I completely agree that when it comes to personal ethics there are no objective answers and solutions. Each one of us makes up his own mind and creates his path in life.


The only thing that I would dare to question, is that the 10k on a pair of ''vintage'' pickups are spent on the road to evolution / achievements. Not at all, I would say. Rather on the altar of nostalgia. But that's my personal opinion and yes, thousands of others would think otherwise.

[captain tightpants]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey1

I wonder how they'd sound in a Studio

I like how you think

I bet they'd kick ass in a Blacktop Tele


In seriousness, I am only referring to my own opinion. There is no way in hell I could ever justify that much money for guitar pickups for me, not meant in any way to demean those who are willing to shell out that kind of money. If that's what makes you happy, more power to you. I couldn't do it no matter what my disposal income happened to be.

[Lowdown]

gee. "Special privileges"? Nobody gets special privileges......do they?

[RAG7890]

JimmyAce is asking this price because he paid a small fortune for them himself & they are in immaculate condition & DW's. DW's always command a premium because there are some that just have to have DW's.

When I clear more gear out I'll probably buy a set of great DB's if I can find them...........I have heard a great set of Vintage PAF's in my Avatar & to me they are worth it. Yes they cost a small bundle but the sound was nothing short of awesome.

But of course, big bucks for a set of pickups is kind of stupid as the Sheptone Tributes that are in their now are almost as good.

My 2c FWIW.

[Ed hunter]

I will play devil's advocate here and say that i understand these IF you own a old 1959 flame top LP and need a set of pups to bring her back to original. Like R9 said the 59's go for $300,000 so 10K for the pups is not that much in that equation is it?