Timbuckers and Patent No incoming

zoork_1 · 02-16-2012, 01:25 PM

If things work out I'll own a set of Timbuckers (creme) by next week.

I read about Tims pu’s several years ago, made me want a set so I mailed him. At that point, however, he had stopped winding, so I’m really looking forward to this set.

I'm also waiting for a paf'ish 8k Patent No (pre T-top) pu. I'm thinking of doing some comparative recordings (T-top, Timbucker, Patent No and ev. Burstbucker Pro and my stock Burstbucker).

What do you think, would such a test be helpful?

/z

josep_cla · 02-17-2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoork_1

I'm also waiting for a paf'ish 8k Patent No (pre T-top) pu. I'm thinking of doing some comparative recordings (T-top, Timbucker, Patent No and ev. Burstbucker Pro and my stock Burstbucker).

/z

I will be more than interested in the comparison between pre-T-Top and T-Top!

zoork_1 · 02-17-2012, 02:05 PM

Thanks for replying, I'll start of with the test you suggested (it might take a few days though). The Patent No arrived today, here's some pics:

It reads 8.3k

/z

captcoolaid · 02-17-2012, 04:15 PM

Nice I love grimy pickups.

zoork_1 · 02-17-2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captcoolaid

Nice I love grimy pickups.

Thanks capt....

zoork_1 · 02-20-2012, 02:38 PM

Here's the first clip (T-top/Pre T-top):

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yHMchc6gk

Gear:

R9
Fender Deluxe Reverb-Amp 1966
Vol: 5
Treble: 8
Bass: 3
Reverb: 2

BuzzHaze · 02-20-2012, 04:00 PM

Forget the test man, I want to hear more of your playing. It's smooth and very relaxing, haha, just kidding. The comp tests are always excellent to hear. Do you have any Shaws to throw into the mix? So which is the Pre Ttop? the neck or bridge?

btw, perfect playing for the comparison. It allows you to hear the tones. Nice job recording.

theycallmetex · 02-21-2012, 09:12 AM

Those were both bridge pups

zoork_1 · 02-21-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuzzHaze

Forget the test man, I want to hear more of your playing. It's smooth and very relaxing, haha, just kidding. The comp tests are always excellent to hear. Do you have any Shaws to throw into the mix? So which is the Pre Ttop? the neck or bridge?

btw, perfect playing for the comparison. It allows you to hear the tones. Nice job recording.

Thanks BuzzHaze,

I really wish I had some Shaws to compare with....

The Pre T-top is the last pu,

I think both pu's have a great vintage vibe...

zoork_1 · 02-26-2012, 12:00 PM

Here they (Tims) are....

Tone Seeker · 02-27-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zoork_1

Here they (Tims) are....

Awesome. . . I'd love to hear you add a Tim clip to your comparison video.

BTW, what "vintage" are your Tim's?

Terry.

zoork_1 · 02-27-2012, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker

BTW, what "vintage" are your Tim's?

Terry.

I'm sorry, I really don't know.

Played them this evening (nice sounding for sure)....

I will put up a clip in a few days.

Tone Seeker · 02-28-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zoork_1

I'm sorry, I really don't know.

I have an earlier set of Tims and I understand they have more cut/bite. His later winds were said to be sweeter.

Terry.

zoork_1 · 02-28-2012, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker

I have an earlier set of Tims and I understand they have more cut/bite. His later winds were said to be sweeter.

Terry.

Ok, thanks. Makes me wonder if there are certain ways to date Tims?

Tone Seeker · 02-28-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoork_1

Ok, thanks. Makes me wonder if there are certain ways to date Tims?

I'm not sure, but I could probably do some digging. I know a forum where there's lots of info. FWIW, mine look very similar to yours.

Terry.

zoork_1 · 02-28-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker

I'm not sure, but I could probably do some digging. I know a forum where there's lots of info. FWIW, mine look very similar to yours.

Terry.

Thanks, I appreciate your help...

zoork_1 · 02-28-2012, 04:30 PM

Here's the previous clip including the Timbucker:

Paten no T-top -- Paten no pre T-top -- Timbucker - YouTube

Tone Seeker · 03-02-2012, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the clip!

I did a little Timbucker history digging. I was unable to find anything that would help identify the vintage of a Timbucker, other than the sense that later pickups were numbered and earlier ones were not.

In terms on tonality, the older versions are said to be brighter / thinner, while the newer ones were sweeter / fatter (but still clear). Some preferred the old and some the new. It likely depends on the guitar you're putting them into. I also learned there were pre EdA versions, an EdA version up to 2006 and an EdA version 2 beginning in either late 2006 or early 2007. EdA version 2 sounds like the sweeter / fatter version.

I think I have the "EdA version up to 2006". I put the neck PUP into a heavy 1980 Les Paul and into a slab mahogany Collings. These are very different guitars, one cutting and bright; the other very warm and thick. My Tim bridge sounded very nice in the warm Collings, which of course makes sense. The bright / thin pickup offsets the strong lower mids of the Collings. I'm going to put the complete set into the Collings and I suspect that guitar will come alive with them.

I hope you find some of this helpful.

Terry.

josep_cla · 03-03-2012, 05:59 AM

Thanks for that!
Will think about the pre and not-pre T-Tops hehe

zoork_1 · 03-03-2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone Seeker

Thanks for the clip!

I did a little Timbucker history digging ... [...].

Thanks Terry for history digging. I've now found out (the previous owner mailed me) that my pu's are from 2004. I will try them in different guitars later on ....

zoork_1 · 03-03-2012, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josep_cla

Thanks for that!
Will think about the pre and not-pre T-Tops hehe

He, he, don't hesitate - both are great!

jasyr · 03-03-2012, 05:30 PM

I recall that tim changed his wire and that's how the 2nd version came out. i have #24 and another he matched a few years later. They are 4-conductor. There was also briefly the EdW wind if i remember correctly. I will probably be putting mine up on ebay if anyone is interested.

zoork_1 · 03-04-2012, 12:53 PM

Here's a T-top and Pre T-top clip with cranked amp:

Gibson T-top VS Pre T-top (cranked amp) - YouTube

Gear:

R9
Fender Deluxe Reverb-Amp 1966
Vol: 8
Treble: 8
Bass: 3
Reverb: 2

zoork_1 · 03-14-2012, 04:54 PM

Timbucker sample (clean):

Timbuckers clean - YouTube

pwn57ar · 04-30-2012, 06:36 AM

Jaysr, what's your email? I have questions about your timbuckers. Or if anyone else could answer about whether they were all made in the 4-conductor configuration? Thanks in advance.

jasyr · 05-07-2012, 05:22 PM

hi, i had tim make them for me...no extra charge. back then it was a 3 week wait! 2 wire were standard.

79standard · 05-09-2012, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoork_1

Here's the first clip (T-top/Pre T-top):

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yHMchc6gk

Gear:

R9
Fender Deluxe Reverb-Amp 1966
Vol: 5
Treble: 8
Bass: 3
Reverb: 2

SWEET PLAYING!

And a very useful test. Both pups sound great, but it seems Pickup B is rounder and has more "juice."

79standard · 05-09-2012, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoork_1

Here's a T-top and Pre T-top clip with cranked amp:

Gibson T-top VS Pre T-top (cranked amp) - YouTube

Gear:

R9
Fender Deluxe Reverb-Amp 1966
Vol: 8
Treble: 8
Bass: 3
Reverb: 2

It seems like the difference between the 2 pickups is less noticeable with a distorted amp, even though the distortion is moderate.

zoork_1 · 05-11-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79standard

It seems like the difference between the 2 pickups is less noticeable with a distorted amp, even though the distortion is moderate.

My experience is that distortion tend to go hard on (rectify) tonal capacity"...

refin · 05-12-2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoork_1

Here's the first clip (T-top/Pre T-top):

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yHMchc6gk

Gear:

R9
Fender Deluxe Reverb-Amp 1966
Vol: 5
Treble: 8
Bass: 3
Reverb: 2

Nice tones and playing!

I have a pre t-top (neck) and a t-top in my '55 conversion......always loved those things.

02-16-2012, 01:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
zoork_1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 597 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Timbuckers and Patent No incoming If things work out I'll own a set of Timbuckers (creme) by next week. I read about Tims pu’s several years ago, made me want a set so I mailed him. At that point, however, he had stopped winding, so I’m really looking forward to this set. I'm also waiting for a paf'ish 8k Patent No (pre T-top) pu. I'm thinking of doing some comparative recordings (T-top, Timbucker, Patent No and ev. Burstbucker Pro and my stock Burstbucker). What do you think, would such a test be helpful? /z

02-17-2012, 02:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
zoork_1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 597 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Thanks for replying, I'll start of with the test you suggested (it might take a few days though). The Patent No arrived today, here's some pics: It reads 8.3k /z

02-17-2012, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
captcoolaid MLP Vendor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nor Cal Beotch Posts: 11,067 Thanks: 374 Thanked 503 Times in 116 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Nice I love grimy pickups. __________________ http://mhd-pickups.com/ Luthier pricing available. Or visit my youtube page http://www.youtube.com/user/MHDPickups?feature=mhum#p/f http://soundcloud.com/mhd-pickups/madhousedesigns-gameybluesmp3 DC DOES NOT EQUAL OUTPUT. Dc is a resistance value and that is all. It WILL NOT tell you what it will sound like, it WILL NOT make you sound like another player.

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BuzzHaze Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,493 Thanks: 55 Thanked 186 Times in 57 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Forget the test man, I want to hear more of your playing. It's smooth and very relaxing, haha, just kidding. The comp tests are always excellent to hear. Do you have any Shaws to throw into the mix? So which is the Pre Ttop? the neck or bridge? btw, perfect playing for the comparison. It allows you to hear the tones. Nice job recording. __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/buzzhaze

02-21-2012, 09:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
theycallmetex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Traverse City, MI Posts: 184 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Those were both bridge pups

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02-26-2012, 12:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
zoork_1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 597 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Here they (Tims) are.... Led Zep Fan and Lowdown like this.

03-02-2012, 01:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tone Seeker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Regina, Canada Posts: 600 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Thanks for the clip! I did a little Timbucker history digging. I was unable to find anything that would help identify the vintage of a Timbucker, other than the sense that later pickups were numbered and earlier ones were not. In terms on tonality, the older versions are said to be brighter / thinner, while the newer ones were sweeter / fatter (but still clear). Some preferred the old and some the new. It likely depends on the guitar you're putting them into. I also learned there were pre EdA versions, an EdA version up to 2006 and an EdA version 2 beginning in either late 2006 or early 2007. EdA version 2 sounds like the sweeter / fatter version. I think I have the "EdA version up to 2006". I put the neck PUP into a heavy 1980 Les Paul and into a slab mahogany Collings. These are very different guitars, one cutting and bright; the other very warm and thick. My Tim bridge sounded very nice in the warm Collings, which of course makes sense. The bright / thin pickup offsets the strong lower mids of the Collings. I'm going to put the complete set into the Collings and I suspect that guitar will come alive with them. I hope you find some of this helpful. Terry. 79standard likes this.

03-03-2012, 05:59 AM	#19 (permalink)
josep_cla Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Castellón (Spain) Posts: 370 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Thanks for that! Will think about the pre and not-pre T-Tops hehe

03-03-2012, 05:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
jasyr Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming I recall that tim changed his wire and that's how the 2nd version came out. i have #24 and another he matched a few years later. They are 4-conductor. There was also briefly the EdW wind if i remember correctly. I will probably be putting mine up on ebay if anyone is interested.

04-30-2012, 06:36 AM	#25 (permalink)
pwn57ar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming Jaysr, what's your email? I have questions about your timbuckers. Or if anyone else could answer about whether they were all made in the 4-conductor configuration? Thanks in advance.

05-07-2012, 05:22 PM	#26 (permalink)
jasyr Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Timbuckers and Patent No incoming hi, i had tim make them for me...no extra charge. back then it was a 3 week wait! 2 wire were standard.

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