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Unread 11-10-2011, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

A few months ago I changed out my Lace Sensor Duallys which I coveted for a long time for a set of Slash signature Alnico IIs and well, I sold the Duallys right away. The Alnico IIs are by far my favorite pickup of all time, particular humbucker, I am still a Burns Tri-Sonic devotee for single coils.

Now, I have recently acquired another Aria PE that is more or less exactly like the one that I dropped the Alnico IIs in and I don't want to just carbon copy the sound. I want something different but still in my style. I am looking for a hotter pickup compared to the Alnico IIs but not so hot that I lose all the subtleties of the classic Alnico IIs. I play through a Class A 30 watt at full volume with no real effects on average, I run the bass, mid and treble EQs wide open as well and control all my volume and tone through the guitar controls and I like it! I like a full spectrum sound, good crunch, smooth mids and non-screechy highs.

Slash, Tom Sholtz, Neal Schon, Brian May are most sounds that I enjoy emulating. I really want to push the amp just a little bit further in case I want to play some more old school metal (Judas Priest, Randy Rhodes, etc) all of which tend to still have that full spectrum sound obviously

So recommendations please?

I was looking at a JB / Jazz set but are they too similar to the Slash Signature set? .

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Unread 11-10-2011, 01:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Not even close. Different wire, different magnets, different winds.

Alnico II's are more of a vintage wind, the JB is designed to hit the amp with a hotter signal.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

I thoughtthe A2s were poly just like the JB. Hmmmm. But yeah you are talking major differences here. 16.5 k compared to I think half that for the AII set. The A2 set to me is a better option unless you are gonna do the A8 mag swap to the JB.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

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I thoughtthe A2s were poly just like the JB. Hmmmm. But yeah you are talking major differences here. 16.5 k compared to I think half that for the AII set. The A2 set to me is a better option unless you are gonna do the A8 mag swap to the JB.
Actually I was referring to the gauge. JB is 43awg, A2P is 42awg, if memory serves.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Ah yes sir you are very correct sire.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

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Actually I was referring to the gauge. JB is 43awg, A2P is 42awg, if memory serves.
Actually a JB uses 44 gauge wire .0022"
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Are you sure. I have had to repair a couple and it sure felt like 43.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Yes I have rewound a few myself & my notes say .0022"
& the bobbins are not full compared to a 14k bucker with 43 gauge wire with similar number of turns
& I actually have one here to repair .....If I need to remove the tape i will mic the wire
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

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A few months ago I changed out my Lace Sensor Duallys which I coveted for a long time for a set of Slash signature Alnico IIs and well, I sold the Duallys right away. The Alnico IIs are by far my favorite pickup of all time, particular humbucker, I am still a Burns Tri-Sonic devotee for single coils.

Now, I have recently acquired another Aria PE that is more or less exactly like the one that I dropped the Alnico IIs in and I don't want to just carbon copy the sound. I want something different but still in my style. I am looking for a hotter pickup compared to the Alnico IIs but not so hot that I lose all the subtleties of the classic Alnico IIs. I play through a Class A 30 watt at full volume with no real effects on average, I run the bass, mid and treble EQs wide open as well and control all my volume and tone through the guitar controls and I like it! I like a full spectrum sound, good crunch, smooth mids and non-screechy highs.

Slash, Tom Sholtz, Neal Schon, Brian May are most sounds that I enjoy emulating. I really want to push the amp just a little bit further in case I want to play some more old school metal (Judas Priest, Randy Rhodes, etc) all of which tend to still have that full spectrum sound obviously

So recommendations please?

I was looking at a JB / Jazz set but are they too similar to the Slash Signature set? .

Thanks,
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You could do a lot worse than the JB.It will drive your amp but can also be very clean.There is a nice airy quality to it.Its particularly good on single coil.I use the slug coil furthest from the bridge.Overall the pup is pretty bright but not uncomfortable.You could consider a custom custom which I believe to be AlnicoII but hotter than Slash's.
I found the Jazz to be too thick and bassy if your amp is set for a good JB tone.Swapped it for a Dimarzio Humbucker from Hell-a much better match with less bass,more treble and less output.Theyre in a handbuilt all mahogany Lp special style gtr.See here:
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

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Yes I have rewound a few myself & my notes say .0022"
& the bobbins are not full compared to a 14k bucker with 43 gauge wire with similar number of turns
& I actually have one here to repair .....If I need to remove the tape i will mic the wire
Cool thanks.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Hey copper have you ever done a poly and pe bucker. I did it for a Motorcity pup I had at one time. Works great for Tele buckers.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

Funny you mention that .I was thinking about trying that a couple of days ago
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

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Actually a JB uses 44 gauge wire .0022"
OK, I'll defer to your knowledge on that, I always thought it was 43.

Point being the JB is a totally different gauge wire than the Alnico II and sound nothing alike to me.
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Re: Pickup recommendations: JB too similar to an Alnico II?

there are sound comparisons on seymour duncan's website as well...i know that it may not be the same guitar and amp as any one person may have but you get the idea of the difference in sound between the 2

http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/pickups/58
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