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Unread 07-18-2011, 07:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Hi all!

I have the Bill Lawrence circuit board p'ups in two of my Gibsons. I really like them, they are very creamy and very balanced, a true Gibson tone to my ears. Question though, does anyone know about the wind or the magnet? Even or staggered wind? alnico V magnet?

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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Well they are this big by that wide and read around 14k that is what I know.
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

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Hi all!

I have the Bill Lawrence circuit board p'ups in two of my Gibsons. I really like them, they are very creamy and very balanced, a true Gibson tone to my ears.
I think all you need to know 'bout the p'ups you've got it right here...

As they're encapsulated, it's difficult to find somebody that BUTCHERED some valuable (to some) p'up just to have a look inside.

I haven't heard from any dead coil in these p'ups, so I can't help with specs.

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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

You can go to Home Page and find contact info to Bill there, Becky is most likely to answer. But then you'll hear it from the guy who designed them
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

You problably only get Henries and magnet info. If you're looking to recreate them i'm sure that some of Bills L500 series will do
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Be ware if you get Bill he is a stoggy old coot that knows his shit, and if you peak nhis interest with something he will chat for a while.
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

From my little black book...

Gibson HB-R (Alnico5) measured extremes between 7.0 - 9.1KΩ
Gibson HB-L (Alnico5) measured extremes between 13.4 - 15.3KΩ

As far as I can tell it's an even wind, and surprisingly thin on the wax, that is to say when one of my bobbins broke I couldn't detect any on the coilwire...
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Thanks Rich!!! How did you get that info?
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

hey everyone,I just got a 1989 les paul custom that is a factory 3 pick-up guitar..it is alpine white and looks really cool...it has 3 bill lawrence pick-ups in it..wonder what the middle pick-ups ohms are..I love the sound of it..very good sounding guitar..I love it..
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

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hey everyone,I just got a 1989 les paul custom that is a factory 3 pick-up guitar..it is alpine white and looks really cool...it has 3 bill lawrence pick-ups in it..wonder what the middle pick-ups ohms are..I love the sound of it..very good sounding guitar..I love it..
Well, since YOU've got the guitar, the most appropriate thing to do is that YOU take the readings and YOU tell US what they are!

We're all ears...
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

thank you.just was told how to do that..will do when I find my meter...but I hear it might show a little lower if done with the jack cable..
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thank you.just was told how to do that..will do when I find my meter...but I hear it might show a little lower if done with the jack cable..
Yeah, but it'll be compensated if the room temperature is higher than 20°C/68°F.

Anyway we only need a ballpark reading, so we're waiting for you to deliver and don't forget to measure ALL THREE PICKUPS!
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Do you all think these Bill Lawrence Gibson pciksups are brighter than Gisbon Burstbucker Pros?
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

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I think all you need to know 'bout the p'ups you've got it right here...

As they're encapsulated, it's difficult to find somebody that BUTCHERED some valuable (to some) p'up just to have a look inside.

I haven't heard from any dead coil in these p'ups, so I can't help with specs.

HTH,
I have an 89 Standard that came with these. When i was trying to take the cover of the bridge, i unscrewed the bobbin screws by mistake ( yes i knew nothing of pup design at the time) and ended up with a lap full if copper wire. I had it rewound and put it in an Explorer and it sounds great to me.
In the Standard i put in a 57 classic, and at the time my initial response was it sounded alot better than the circuit board. The 57 was clearer with more output.
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I have an 89 Standard that came with these. When i was trying to take the cover of the bridge, i unscrewed the bobbin screws by mistake ( yes i knew nothing of pup design at the time) and ended up with a lap full if copper wire. I had it rewound and put it in an Explorer and it sounds great to me.
In the Standard i put in a 57 classic, and at the time my initial response was it sounded alot better than the circuit board. The 57 was clearer with more output.
The Bill Lawrence should have more output than the 57. Maybe there was something wrong with the BL after the rewind or maybe the Standard is a hotter guitar.
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

They are very smooth and full sounding pickups that have been over looked by collectors who are only looking for shaw's and t-tops at the high prices they command, better get some now, because when the secret gets out they will also go up in value
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They are very smooth and full sounding pickups that have been over looked by collectors who are only looking for shaw's and t-tops at the high prices they command, better get some now, because when the secret gets out they will also go up in value
Nowadays, with the excellent p'ups made by either reputed companies like Duncan, Bare Knuckles, even Di Marzio (I'm NOT including Gibson as they don't rate "excellent" in my book), and the number of "boutique" winders, I just don't get why people would want to get those old, most probably tempered with, Gibson p'ups made with the cheapest materials they could get away with, never meeting the specs as required by their designers (Tom Holmes, Tim Shaw, Bill Laurence and others I can't come up by the top of my head). Why they still pay top dollar for them goes beyond my comprehension.

I think P.T. Barnum was right all along...
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

The Bill Lawrence Gibsons as you say are very full, rich, smooth and creamy. Good clarity too even with 300k pots!

I have had WCR, Wolftone, Guitar Force and the Bill Lawrence pickups are right there with the others! I won't waste money on boutique pickups anyway any longer. Although I would like some Lollar Imperials....used if course.
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Email Gibson's tech support. I did this a few years back and they emailed me a PDF showing all the specs for the circuit board pickups. I would send it to ya, but I lost all my saved emails when a naughty virus took out my PC.

I had these in my 1988 LP Custom. I have tapes and videos of me playing the guitar back in the day and they sounded really nice! That axe has since gone through (no joke) like 20 pickup swaps and I really wonder if the guitar ever sounded as good as it did in stock form.

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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

Had to dig this thread up again, because I've fallen in love with the sound of my new Les Paul Custom '89 with Bill Lawrence pickups. I measured the resistance, and my multi-meter also spat out the following:

Bridge: 13.4k ohms
Neck: 7.4k ohms

I'd been looking for a decent Les Paul for a while (maybe two years) and I finally settled on getting either an R6, an R8 or a Les Paul Custom. Since I couldn't find a decent new LPC, I focused on the used market.

Long story short, I found a 1989 LPC, tried it out and realised it had all the things I was looking for. It's relatively light, and has a nice transparent bright tone (unplugged). I like classic rock tones, chewy Marshall tones, in your face crunch, so I was hoping that these qualities would transfer to its amp'ed sound.

I buy the LP and come home, plug it in and....wow. Actually, it was more like a "HOLY F**K". Something harmonizes with my Marshall clone (it's a Metro 68 12000 clone, same ingredients as Dave Friedman's recollection of Eddie's amp). It sounds so darn good to my ears. Very raw without that stale sounding modern metal tone. Very bright without being annoying, yet it's a very balanced sound, alive. And chewy...woody...classic.

I've gone from GASing for an entire LP collection to just loving this guitar with almost 14k circuit board pups (!!!). Who'd have thought.

Won't be replacing these any time soon. If you're into woody-chewy, give them a go. Highly recommended.
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Re: Bill Lawrence circuit board pickups? Some specs?

I have one that has a HBL+ label and measures 15k DC resistance. I remember it as a good sounding pickup but have not used it for years in any guitar.

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