Leslie's PAF

[lexluthier]

Here's my old McCarty pickup, still works!

[Tim Fezziwig]

GREAT Stuff Mouse. I need to study all those clips. Great tone abounds. You inspire!

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by lexluthier

Here's my old McCarty pickup, still works!

Nice! looks like bobbin is made out celluloid nitrate ...

[X–Ray]

Lady Drake Test dynamics.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

some thoughts:

liked the phrase, "sound picture(s)" – pretty accurate in an abstract way

totally agree: a musician's system (i.e., guitar, pickups, amp, transformers, speakers) truly cannot be isolated into discrete parts – it's the sum of these parts which create the "whole" of the tone (i.e., sound picture)

enough small talk...

* listened to Lady Drake with headphones

* Echo/Reverb//Delay of some sort – didn't sound dry – whatever ambience you had going on was sweet and framed the sound picture well without being overwhelming/distracting

* early on i could tell you knew how to play the guitar just by the little flourishes between chording – of course, this was confirmed later, haha

* Was there a snare drum not muted in the background creating some extraneous sounds? not an issue or distracting, just curious...

* approx. 1:48/50" – loved the tone of the overdrive kicking in

* Creepin' in Crossroads was fun to hear

* What were the volume and tone controls set on the 50w Marshall? Make/wattage of the speaker(s)?

* Around 3:30" – where you played a fretted note with a sympathetic note ringing was killer toneland – I'd buy me one of them!

* Cleaned up like a sharp dressed man, not bassy at all when you rolled down the volume on the neck pup

Very impressive Thanks for letting me listen

Hope the above critique was useful

Until the next song – keep rockin'

:~)

[Mouse]

Thanks X-Ray for your review, good ears I must admit

Clips are recorded with Zoom H2 handy recorder and a little reverb is added later in cubase and then wav. is converted to mp3. 1968 Marshall 4x12 cabinet greenbacks 25W. Volume on that clip..i think volume was set five or six on the marshall scale and controled through guitar ( second clip was dimed marshall). Yes snare drum is rattling through out, we didn't notice that to some point...it seems like it's natural habitat sound to our ears ha!
I cannot take playing royalties on that clip, that's my winding partner playing. I'm really happy to have him to mentor over our winding creations, very famous player here... it's like having Joe Perry or Mike Campbell over your shoulders, so I take it seriously haha
Nah really, we are friends and love to experiment with sounds and his vintage guitar collection helps a lot to evaluate end results.

YouTube - ‪Psihomodo Pop - Nebo ( live 2009 )‬‏

YouTube - ‪Psihomodo Pop - Nebo ( live 2009 )‬‏

[X–Ray]

damn the recording is good!

i assumed you were in a studio

you used the above to record that tone?

pardon my ignorance, how did you get it from your recorder to the computer? USB cable?

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by X–Ray

damn the recording is good!

i assumed you were in a studio

you used the above to record that tone?

pardon my ignorance, how did you get it from your recorder to the computer? USB cable?

Thanks,
it's treated rehearsal room.
Yes I used the very same H2, USB cable is factory equipped.

Here is another with my strat set, same recorder ...

Hendrixy Clean

Strat ala Keef

Or in the video clip ...tough one to synchronize...same guitar as above...

‪Message to love‬‏ - YouTube

‪Message to love‬‏ - YouTube

[Mouse]

A little ZZ fun for the day.
Lesliepaul straight into 1967 JMP50. '68 cabinet with 25W greenbacks, 10-46 strings, fingerstyle. Recorded with Zoom H2

‪Leslie's pickups - Just got paid 1967 Marsh Plexi‬‏ - YouTube

‪Leslie's pickups - Just got paid 1967 Marsh Plexi‬‏ - YouTube

[Mouse]

It seems that these days are popular debates about reality check, pickup harmonics, attack etc. In my opinion the way how guitar is recorded has to do a lot with mentioned above so I made a little test. New pickups old strings of course.
First video is original recording with cheap camera (Sony cybershot) which is mostly in 1000 Hz and higher, obviously the target is human voice. Second video is the same one but I added H2 in the mix which was running simultaneously.
The thing with H2 is that it blunts middle and attack, the thing with the camera is... good attack but bass cut. In reality neither one of these recorders hears like human ear.
After this tests there is a third video... just for washing ears of previous noodling.
Anyways, Leon Russell is the man



#1

‪Hum 1‬‏ - YouTube

‪Hum 1‬‏ - YouTube

#2

‪Hum2‬‏ - YouTube

‪Hum2‬‏ - YouTube

‪Leon Russell - Hummingbird‬‏ - YouTube

‪Leon Russell - Hummingbird‬‏ - YouTube

[flquacker]

CYBER SHOT - HUMMINGBIRD



lol...probably the most care free, relaxed 3 hrs I've spent in a while.

[freefrog]

Cool!

I agree 100% with the "global" approach of guitar tones.

I have still personally to find a recording strategy which satisfies me when it comes to put clips online... I've already posted mp3's and vids but their tone is systematically altered (and not in a good way).

I could buy a Zoom H1. We'll see...

[Tim Fezziwig]

Originally Posted by Mouse

It seems that these days are popular debates about reality check, pickup harmonics, attack etc. In my opinion the way how guitar is recorded has to do a lot with mentioned above so I made a little test. New pickups old strings of course.
First video is original recording with cheap camera (Sony cybershot) which is mostly in 1000 Hz and higher, obviously the target is human voice. Second video is the same one but I added H2 in the mix which was running simultaneously.
The thing with H2 is that it blunts middle and attack, the thing with the camera is... good attack but bass cut. In reality neither one of these recorders hears like human ear.
After this tests there is a third video... just for washing ears of previous noodling.
Anyways, Leon Russell is the man

#1

‪Hum 1‬‏ - YouTube


#2

‪Hum2‬‏ - YouTube




‪Leon Russell - Hummingbird‬‏ - YouTube

Mouse GREAT stuff. An all three position man. Hats off to you. I think I like the sound of the second vid. Cool to hear the difference. I'm like you I use ALL the tones on my guitars. Vol and tone knobs get fiddled with ALL the time. You can find a MILLION different tones if you try! I LOVE your GT! Great "old school" playing. we need more guys like you out there ,defending the FAITH! Leon is COOL!

[gtr-tek]

Originally Posted by Tim Fezziwig

Mouse GREAT stuff. An all three position man. Hats off to you. I think I like the sound of the second vid. Cool to hear the difference. I'm like you I use ALL the tones on my guitars. Vol and tone knobs get fiddled with ALL the time. You can find a MILLION different tones if you try! I LOVE your GT! Great "old school" playing. we need more guys like you out there ,defending the FAITH! Leon is COOL!

+1 I do believe that is a lemon drop and not a GT, correct?

The difference in recordings is remarkable as it illustrates some of the points I have made in other posts. You can get an approximation of how a pickup might sound in your rig, but until it's in there, you really don't know.

Thanks for posting these!

[X-PUN]

Originally Posted by Mouse

It seems that these days are popular debates about reality check, pickup harmonics, attack etc. In my opinion the way how guitar is recorded has to do a lot with mentioned above so I made a little test. New pickups old strings of course.
First video is original recording with cheap camera (Sony cybershot) which is mostly in 1000 Hz and higher, obviously the target is human voice. Second video is the same one but I added H2 in the mix which was running simultaneously.
The thing with H2 is that it blunts middle and attack, the thing with the camera is... good attack but bass cut. In reality neither one of these recorders hears like human ear.
After this tests there is a third video... just for washing ears of previous noodling.
Anyways, Leon Russell is the man



#1

‪Hum 1‬‏ - YouTube


#2

‪Hum2‬‏ - YouTube




‪Leon Russell - Hummingbird‬‏ - YouTube

I like the sound from number one.

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by Tim Fezziwig

Mouse GREAT stuff. An all three position man. Hats off to you. I think I like the sound of the second vid. Cool to hear the difference. I'm like you I use ALL the tones on my guitars. Vol and tone knobs get fiddled with ALL the time. You can find a MILLION different tones if you try! I LOVE your GT! Great "old school" playing. we need more guys like you out there ,defending the FAITH! Leon is COOL!

Thanks man!
Dr. John was recently here in Croatia, and it was a great show!
Just great musicians it was a joy for listening, bass player was awesome providing great vocal lines and bass was all groove. guitarist- man...I'll swear that I could hear great sax playing but my eyes saw guitar so I shut my eyes
defending the faith...are we going to war? not war again haha

Originally Posted by gtr-tek

The difference in recordings is remarkable as it illustrates some of the points I have made in other posts. You can get an approximation of how a pickup might sound in your rig, but until it's in there, you really don't know.

Thanks for posting these!

Thanks for your reply! yes we were talking about it at another thread, I recall long post of yours on the subject, very nice contribution!
It was a great eye opener since you have experience at real recording studio.
I mean it takes great pair of ears to distinguish real sound of specific guitar from what is studio make up. Especially nowdays when is popular to multi- double same guitar to sound huge.
The guys on the net often claims that Paf sounds this and that and often back up their thougts with YT videos, if the guy said the pafs are clear and with lots of highs with special middle you'll bet it's a camera with bass/low midd cutted out... as cameras often do. So people who had never had real paf in vivo experience can have diametrical opposite picture about what paf or replica is about...lousy camera says one thing...concert recordings are all over the place...etc.

Originally Posted by gtr-tek

+1 I do believe that is a lemon drop and not a GT, correct?

yes you are correct, it's my idea to build '59 with ala P. Green's guitar which is now in unburst state. Low light and camera pixels makes an illusion of goldtop.
Here

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by X-PUN

I like the sound from number one.

It must be that it recalls a P-90 sounds, isn't it?

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by freefrog

Cool!

I agree 100% with the "global" approach of guitar tones.

I have still personally to find a recording strategy which satisfies me when it comes to put clips online... I've already posted mp3's and vids but their tone is systematically altered (and not in a good way).

I could buy a Zoom H1. We'll see...

Yup, recording strategy is a problem ... the target could be as in these clips to deliver the sound to the listener as good as you hear it in the room and that's pretty though. It can be done at 70 percent with H2 or some combo with two mics front/rear but I'm for now against that because I have no experience with mic phases nor I like close miking sound, I mean, nobody's listening amp with ears close to speaker....
Maybe I'll be able to arrange studio fun with Studer tape machine with vintage mics and all tube console after summer holidays. The guy is a hobbist but recording freak, love George Martin/Tom Dowd and all oldies stuff...so if that happens we will be able to evaluate the difference...I can run H2 simultaniously, no problem.
I just love what he does, it's very natural but with old patina, here is some his stuff Memories are made of this MASTER mp3.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

[Mouse]

- butyrate bobbins
- rough cast alnico 4 or 5 unoriented
- maple spacer
- different steel specs (slugs/screws)
- winded on vintage german 50's machine
- nos austrian plain enamel wire
- decal logo

[gtr-tek]

Those look nice! I'd like to try some someday... (note to self: need more guitars...)

[Mouse]

Young musicians are unpredictable. We never know the amount of gain they will pump into preamp, take a listen
Untitled.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

[straightblues]

I am loving these clips of your pickups. Sorry we couldn't hook up on a set for my Rist. But I will have to buy a set for my next guitar. Keep up the great work.

[Mouse]

Leslie's pickups - Fruitful Jam - YouTube

Leslie's pickups - Fruitful Jam - YouTube

[X–Ray]

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cool to hear a bit of Hendrix's "Hey Baby"

sweet playing

[HOT-BRIT]

Sounds great well done!

[Mouse]

Hey, glad you like it!

[Mouse]

Howdy all, here is leslie doing some late night work with old funky machine, salute to all night birds!

Talking vintage ... - YouTube

Talking vintage ... - YouTube

AC30 OT/ vintage Aumann winding machine - YouTube

AC30 OT/ vintage Aumann winding machine - YouTube

[Mouse]

Here is a little bit of recent work for your amusement. This once original PAF set had a lot of abuse during 80's and as I found rewounded with uncorrect wire and even some wax potting has been done at a time... so pretty in bad shape. It seems that waxing caused some more bobbin torsion with usual warping at the ends. Bobbin lids when you look at the wire feed space looked arched toward each other, it's not easy task to machine wound this mess or one must think well ahead. The machine I work with have a nice feature, adjustable pressure clamp so the game is to adjust right pressure (without breaking bobbin) to straight out the bobbin, adjust traverse for maximum wire travel as possible (width of the wire row) and of course wind it. The end result would be ...once we filled out straighten bobbin the wire will go just with the warped bobbin in the ''over the years'' right position once the clamp is released, of course if the wire was guided with silky smooth tension. Delicate work indeed. Now if we try to imagine different type of machine without pressure clamp we have straight wound over banana shaped bobbin (torsion too) which causes not so many number of turns in one row ie not near ''correct'' turns per row. nor straight wound over warped bobbin seems correct either. So with a little thinking ahead and correct nos PE wire things should be like they used to be once in the deeps of time,
enjoy


P.S. music in the video...Mr.Ritchie on the guitar, nice to hear him using Paf equipped Gibson once in a while

Vintage PAF restoration - YouTube

Vintage PAF restoration - YouTube

[freefrog]

Originally Posted by Mouse

Here is a little bit of recent work for your amusement. This once original PAF set had a lot of abuse during 80's and as I found rewounded with uncorrect wire and even some wax potting has been done at a time... so pretty in bad shape. It seems that waxing caused some more bobbin torsion with usual warping at the ends. Bobbin lids when you look at the wire feed space looked arched toward each other, it's not easy task to machine wound this mess or one must think well ahead. The machine I work with have a nice feature, adjustable pressure clamp so the game is to adjust right pressure (without breaking bobbin) to straight out the bobbin, adjust traverse for maximum wire travel as possible (width of the wire row) and of course wound it. The end result would be ...once we filled out straighten bobbin the wire will go just with the warped bobbin in the ''over the years'' right position once the clamp is released, if the wire was guided with silky smooth tension. Delicate work indeed. Now if we try to imagine different type of machine without pressure clamp we have straight wound over banana shaped bobbin (torsion too) which causes not so many number of turns in one row ie not near ''correct'' turns per row. nor straight wound over warped bobbin seems correct either. So with a little thinking ahead and correct nos PE wire things should be like they used to be once in the deeps of time,
enjoy

P.S. music in the video...Mr.Ritchie on the guitar, nice to hear him using Paf equipped Gibson once in a while
Vintage PAF restoration - YouTube

Wow... Impressive, as always. Thx for this "in depth" insight on PAF guts and restoration!

[LtKojak]

Originally Posted by Mouse

Here is a little bit of recent work for your amusement. This once original PAF set had a lot of abuse during 80's and as I found rewounded with uncorrect wire and even some wax potting has been done at a time... so pretty in bad shape. It seems that waxing caused some more bobbin torsion with usual warping at the ends. Bobbin lids when you look at the wire feed space looked arched toward each other, it's not easy task to machine wound this mess or one must think well ahead. The machine I work with have a nice feature, adjustable pressure clamp so the game is to adjust right pressure (without breaking bobbin) to straight out the bobbin, adjust traverse for maximum wire travel as possible (width of the wire row) and of course wound it. The end result would be ...once we filled out straighten bobbin the wire will go just with the warped bobbin in the ''over the years'' right position once the clamp is released, if the wire was guided with silky smooth tension. Delicate work indeed. Now if we try to imagine different type of machine without pressure clamp we have straight wound over banana shaped bobbin (torsion too) which causes not so many number of turns in one row ie not near ''correct'' turns per row. nor straight wound over warped bobbin seems correct either. So with a little thinking ahead and correct nos PE wire things should be like they used to be once in the deeps of time,
enjoy


P.S. music in the video...Mr.Ritchie on the guitar, nice to hear him using Paf equipped Gibson once in a while
Vintage PAF restoration - YouTube

Thank you bunches for sharing.

Keep up the good work, Mouse!

Youre very truly,

[jonesy]

Thanks for sharing those vids Mouse, very informative!