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Unread 06-17-2011, 02:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fake Gibson Custom

I've got a customer's "fake" Gibson Custom Black Beauty on the bench right now -- not sure how many of you have ever seen one of these in person, but from a few feet away, they don't look quite as bad as I assumed. Yes, they're cheaply made for sure, the stock pots, wiring, pickups in this one are all Epiphone (not fake Epiphone)... maybe the hardware, too.

At the risk of leading people down a terrible road, please take heed of the following disclaimer:

ATTENTION JOHNNY EMPTYPOCKETS: DON'T BUY FAKE GUITARS!
Oh crap, what constitutes a guitar as being fake?

OK... DON'T BUY FAKE GIBSONS!
Actually, crap, I can't say that because I own a replica. Also, I learned a long time ago you can't tell people what to do.

SO HOW ABOUT THIS: IF YOU BUY A FAKE, CONTACT SLAPSHOT AS I HEAR HE'S WINDING SOME KILLER FAKE PICKUPS!
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

You could quite possible be correct in your statement.....I don't know.

So that being said....here put this on

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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

a vendor promoting the counterfeit industry is as funny as a bum full of smarties

excuse me I'm just going to make some counterfeit bolt pickups.You won't tell the difference from a few feet away but they may have some issues like pole pieces not lining up and wires disconnected
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

Heck, I'm not 'promoting' it -- this is the first time I've seen one of these in person -- I didn't buy it, I don't own it, I'm not selling one and I wouldn't ever buy one. I was mainly making a point that there are a lot of Epiphone parts on this thing, which seems a little odd to me. It could be a coincidence, maybe whoever's making these is buying those parts in bulk.
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

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I've got a customer's "fake" Gibson Custom Black Beauty on the bench right now
Overall, I'd liken it to an Epiphone without any type of QC (the frets / setup on this one is crap).


what happens now when johnny emptypockets googles and lands on this page reads it and then decides he'll save a few bucks by buying the fake cause he "read a guy on the internet said ..."
anytime these pieces of chinese shit are mentioned in any other light than they're made from packing crates and bamboo is promoting it it & perpetuating the industry.
Being some sort of manufacturer I thought you might understand that.Guess not.
My counterfeit bolts are coming along swimmingly too I might add.
And people do make the effort to replace all the chinese shit in them to make them appear more legit.
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Where is the "doesn't like" button?
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

I can't help what people Google or buy, but I'll put a disclaimer on my original post so as not to confuse the matter.
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Photos or it's a real Gibson.
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I'm seriously considering changing my forum handle to Johnny Emptypockets
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

Bill, I know you've been eyeballing these fakes, bro! Don't do it! Did you find this thread via Google?!?
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Bill, I know you've been eyeballing these fakes, bro! Don't do it! Did you find this thread via Google?!?
Yes I googled "Gibsun Res Pawr" and this thread came up!
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Yes I googled "Gibsun Res Pawr"
Now that's funny.
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

Personally I'm very tempted to pick one of these up and upgrade the wiring and pickups to see what I end up with. Thinking a Silverburst Custom, been researching it already
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Don't do it. There are many other options.
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Don't do it. There are many other options.
Eh for $280 shipped without a case or $330 with case, it's VERY tempting. I spent a few hours looking at reviews on Youtube, online, reading seller reviews on Trade Tang, and learning what to look for. For example, most of the LP Custom ones come with a rosewood fingerboard but if you ask for ebony they'll do it as a one off. Also some sellers offer a seller guarantee where the money is held in escrow to make sure you get the right thing.

Furthermore I keep hearing electronic are Epiphone, not sure what level of Epi though.

Personally at the price it's worth a gamble. If I like it then I could swap the pickups to Gibsons for ~$100, $65 all new wiring, $50 Gotoh bridge and tail.

I'm not delusional nor would I hold it out as the genuine article. I do have nice guitars already, including a Gibson. It would just be a fun project to entertain me.

I used to dabble in Rep watches. With watches there are some near perfect replicas, amazing even, and there was complete junk out there. Knowing what to buy and what to look for was key.

Worst case it makes for a nice piece of wall art.
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

This will give you an idea on how crappy these fakes are, check out the wood...




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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

I've played one before and that particular one was a POS. Truss rod was broken, wont stay in tune, pickups sounded thin, knobs were bent and some more negatives that I cant remember.

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OK... DON'T BUY FAKE GIBSONS!
Actually, crap, I can't say that because I own a replica. Also, I learned a long time ago you can't tell people what to do.
When someone says fake Gibsons I think of the ones coming out of China with an actual "Gibson" logo. Burny, Greco etc do replicas but they dont claim to be Gibson.
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kill it with c-4.
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I'm not entirely sure C4 could penetate the thick poly finish.
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[...]I'm not delusional nor would I hold it out as the genuine article.[...]
Just don't have gibson on the headstock and there's no problem.
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Heck, I'm not 'promoting' it -- this is the first time I've seen one of these in person -- I didn't buy it, I don't own it, I'm not selling one and I wouldn't ever buy one. I was mainly making a point that there are a lot of Epiphone parts on this thing, which seems a little odd to me. It could be a coincidence, maybe whoever's making these is buying those parts in bulk.
I've played one of those. They play and sound like a cheap guitar. And it wouldn't stay in tune for 2-minutes. The shop owner was so ashamed of it he removed the "G" logo. I have a feeling it's made in the same plant in China that makes Epiphones. They probably make them on the side using cheaper wood, etc. These things happen a lot in China.

I am curious though. Since you have it with you, can you see if they use Mahogany and Maple or some other cheap wood? What else is out of ordinary on it?
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I've played one of those. They play and sound like a cheap guitar. And it wouldn't stay in tune for 2-minutes. The shop owner was so ashamed of it he removed the "G" logo. I have a feeling it's made in the same plant in China that makes Epiphones. They probably make them on the side using cheaper wood, etc. These things happen a lot in China.

I am curious though. Since you have it with you, can you see if they use Mahogany and Maple or some other cheap wood? What else is out of ordinary on it?
Sure, I'll post my findings here after I have a chance to inspect it. But I have to warn everyone reading -- I'm not into bullshit or misinformation. A spade is a spade to me, and I'll call it like I see it. If that's offensive, then simply stay out of the thread. I don't want this to turn into some morality thread, it's simply a report on a guitar.

Right now, spec wise, this looks to be an Epiphone guitar with a pretty poor 'Gibson' logo and inlay on the headstock.
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Re: Fake Gibson Custom

Alright, here's a brief lowdown on this one. It's different than some of the other identifiers of these guitars that I've seen listed elsewhere, so maybe this will be of use:

- Headstock is narrower than the real deal and the shape is slightly off, but looks to be at the near-correct angle
- Logo headstock inlay looks like it was done with an Exacto knife... lots of hard lines
- 'Split block' inlay is crooked and actually has a broken piece that was clear-coated over
- Gold Grovers appear to be legit (far as I can tell), one seems to have a different gear ratio than the rest
- Truss rod cover has normal Gibson 2 screw design, not 3
- Serial number and "Made In USA" on rear of headstock are stamped through the finish into the wood
- From the headstock down, looks and feels like eerily like an Epiphone in shape and finish
- all hardware, puckups, screws, inlays, panels, parts etc appear to be Epiphone
- pots are full-size short shaft 500k (not the small Asian ones), ceramic caps, 'modern' wiring
- Epiphone pickups are LP / Dot model bridge, Dot model in the neck
- Fingerboard is rosewood, not Ebony
- The binding is very white
- Unsure about the body wood; Poly coat is so thick on it I can't tell much.
- Weight is about 8.5lbs
- Neck has a slight warp to it and the fret job was very poor
- Case is an SKB Epiphone-style hardshell, black covering with gray interior. Says 'Made In Canada' on the plastic tag
- I asked about the price, it was $250 w/ case

The stock sound is what I'd describe as cheap and modern with poor playability. In hand, someone with experience would not confuse it for a Gibson (outside of the obvious). I think my original statement was fairly close -- I'd liken it to a cheap Epiphone that didn't go through the QC process.
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Heck, I'm not 'promoting' it -- this is the first time I've seen one of these in person -- I didn't buy it, I don't own it, I'm not selling one and I wouldn't ever buy one. I was mainly making a point that there are a lot of Epiphone parts on this thing, which seems a little odd to me. It could be a coincidence, maybe whoever's making these is buying those parts in bulk.
as far as i can tell, most all the epiphone/gibson fakes are indeed made at the epiphone factories. probably second shift or after hours scraps. the only ones that obviously aren't are the les paul supremes with the funny bow-tie body shape, and the ones with the agile stubby cutaway. whatever, i spent a bunch of hours researching those just to decide that in the end the guitars are crap, it's wrong, and
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