Slash: Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period

[Big Mike]

He wasn't there, (Max) Niven was.

WTF is it even worth arguing about, the people that believe max, will put $$ in is coffers...Kris is dead.

[FLICKOFLASH]

Alan Niven had been scouting for a guitar for Slash around the same time as Slash had been already been talking to MAX about his guitar problems, these two events were going on about the same time. The Welcome to the Jungle footage - their earliest video - Slash is indeed playing the MAX with black Alnico II pickups and 59 Top hat knobs show that he had the MAX in the early days, you need to know what to look for.

Slash went to Max with the problem first, then Alan went to Jim Foote. He was not getting the tone he desired with other guitars. According to MAX, he lent Slash his only guitar (a MAX 59 Sunburst - curly top replica) which at the time had real 59 PAFs and real 1959 hardware - which eventually, all MAX got back from Slash was a box of parts from that guitar and some cash, Slash used the Alnico IIs on both guitars and did not want the vintage parts at the time due to his budget restraints.


Personnel
W. Axl Rose – lead vocals, backing vocals, synthesizer, percussion
Slash – lead guitar, acoustic guitar, rhythm guitar
Izzy Stradlin – rhythm guitar, lead guitar, backing vocals, percussion
Duff McKagan – bass, backing vocals
Steven Adler – drums

Additional personnel
Mike Clink – producer
Michael Barbiero – mixing
Steve Thompson – mixing
George Marino – mastering
Victor Deyglio – assistant engineer
Dave Reitzas – assistant engineer
Micajah Ryan – assistant engineer
Julian Stoll – assistant engineer
Andy Udoff – assistant engineer
Jeff Poe – assistant engineer
Robert Williams – paintings
Michael Hodgson – art direction, design
Robert John – photography
Jack Lue – photography
Greg Freeman – photography

see niether on that list ?

Flick that sounds very credible and reasonable to me!

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

Alan Niven had been scouting for a guitar for Slash around the same time as Slash had been already been talking to MAX about his guitar problems, these two events were going on about the same time. The Welcome to the Jungle footage - their earliest video - Slash is indeed playing the MAX with black Alnico II pickups and 59 Top hat knobs show that he had the MAX in the early days, you need to know what to look for.

Slash went to Max with the problem first, then Alan went to Jim Foote. He was not getting the tone he desired with other guitars. According to MAX, he lent Slash his only guitar (a MAX 59 Sunburst - curly top replica) which at the time had real 59 PAFs and real 1959 hardware - which eventually, all MAX got back from Slash was a box of parts from that guitar and some cash, Slash used the Alnico IIs on both guitars and did not want the vintage parts at the time due to his budget restraints.


Personnel
W. Axl Rose – lead vocals, backing vocals, synthesizer, percussion
Slash – lead guitar, acoustic guitar, rhythm guitar
Izzy Stradlin – rhythm guitar, lead guitar, backing vocals, percussion
Duff McKagan – bass, backing vocals
Steven Adler – drums

Additional personnel
Mike Clink – producer
Michael Barbiero – mixing
Steve Thompson – mixing
George Marino – mastering
Victor Deyglio – assistant engineer
Dave Reitzas – assistant engineer
Micajah Ryan – assistant engineer
Julian Stoll – assistant engineer
Andy Udoff – assistant engineer
Jeff Poe – assistant engineer
Robert Williams – paintings
Michael Hodgson – art direction, design
Robert John – photography
Jack Lue – photography
Greg Freeman – photography

see niether on that list ?

YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Welcome to the jungle (original)

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

All I know Appetite for Destruction kicked ass from beginning to end & changed a genre , Music took a hard shift from the glam speed noodles & songs had content again & the word ****en & mother ****er was kool as a lyric & a stand against censorship as were the moans of a bimbo being banged on mic . It was Kool to just be real & from the gutter . Kids could relate. Appetite for Destruction is the best album of the last 20 years.

Revisiting the 80’s music I appreciate Slash more now than I did then . Revisit your youth & you will understand where I am coming from

Several weeks ago a 63 old man walked on the stage with his guitar. People had waited 20 something yrs for this to happen. Most thought it never would but it did. These 3 guys +1 did more for Rock n Roll than anyone else could ever dream. So please dont tell me people that Slash and G N R are the epidomy of Rock. Slash or anyone else for that matter could ever dare draw the masses of the Rock kingdom together like this. All anyone in the Rock World wanted to see was Jimmy and his Les Pauls and Robert belt out the lyrics. (Slash and his collection) Look for Jimmy's collection. If not for the Zep (argue with me all day if you want theres plenty of proof) there wouldnt be very many Rock bands. The Zep still has one of the youngest followings after all these yrs. All the albums sold and still selling incredible. Slash's playing directly decended from JP. Now Slash may have been the leading contributor in the 80s-90s of Les Paul resurgence, but who others name has always been directly associated to the Les Paul? It aint Slash. Those 60 yr olds have always brought the Rock World to its knees. So dont tell me Gibson owes its resurgence to Slash. I'll never believe it. Besides about the only ones who can afford a Gibson RI is the middle aged man. And I know who they relate too. BTW we can thank the cRAP world for what I call the demise of Pure Rock n Roll. Jst my opinion.

[single cut 54]

Originally Posted by ReverendJWblues

Several weeks ago a 63 old man walked on the stage with his guitar. People had waited 20 something yrs for this to happen. Most thought it never would but it did. These 3 guys +1 did more for Rock n Roll than anyone else could ever dream. So please dont tell me people that Slash and G N R are the epidomy of Rock. Slash or anyone else for that matter could ever dare draw the masses of the Rock kingdom together like this. All anyone in the Rock World wanted to see was Jimmy and his Les Pauls and Robert belt out the lyrics. (Slash and his collection) Look for Jimmy's collection. If not for the Zep (argue with me all day if you want theres plenty of proof) there wouldnt be very many Rock bands. The Zep still has one of the youngest followings after all these yrs. All the albums sold and still selling incredible. Slash's playing directly decended from JP. Now Slash may have been the leading contributor in the 80s-90s of Les Paul resurgence, but who others name has always been directly associated to the Les Paul? It aint Slash. Those 60 yr olds have always brought the Rock World to its knees. So dont tell me Gibson owes its resurgence to Slash. I'll never believe it. Besides about the only ones who can afford a Gibson RI is the middle aged man. And I know who they relate too. BTW we can thank the cRAP world for what I call the demise of Pure Rock n Roll. Jst my opinion.

Cor Blimey Rev , All that from the Geezer who really made both of Slashes
AFD Guitars.Who'da thought it.

[Roman]

Originally Posted by ReverendJWblues

Several weeks ago a 63 old man walked on the stage with his guitar. People had waited 20 something yrs for this to happen. Most thought it never would but it did. These 3 guys +1 did more for Rock n Roll than anyone else could ever dream. So please dont tell me people that Slash and G N R are the epidomy of Rock. Slash or anyone else for that matter could ever dare draw the masses of the Rock kingdom together like this. All anyone in the Rock World wanted to see was Jimmy and his Les Pauls and Robert belt out the lyrics. (Slash and his collection) Look for Jimmy's collection. If not for the Zep (argue with me all day if you want theres plenty of proof) there wouldnt be very many Rock bands. The Zep still has one of the youngest followings after all these yrs. All the albums sold and still selling incredible. Slash's playing directly decended from JP. Now Slash may have been the leading contributor in the 80s-90s of Les Paul resurgence, but who others name has always been directly associated to the Les Paul? It aint Slash. Those 60 yr olds have always brought the Rock World to its knees. So dont tell me Gibson owes its resurgence to Slash. I'll never believe it. Besides about the only ones who can afford a Gibson RI is the middle aged man. And I know who they relate too. BTW we can thank the cRAP world for what I call the demise of Pure Rock n Roll. Jst my opinion.

Kind of puts it all in perspective, don't it.
You have the forefathers of rock and roll and the drug addicted bastard offspring

[Spicoli]

I'm sure most of you guys already know this, but I just ran across the December 1991 Guitar Player magazine and in this issue on pages 42-43 it shows a few of Slash's guitars. It shows the Les Paul in question and it states,

The "Sweet Child O' Mine" Les Paul-actually a '59 replica with zebra Seymour Duncan Alnico II pickups, built by Peter "Max" Baranet of Max Guitars , Hollywood, California. Used for virtally all of Appetite For Destruction and much of Illusion.

I personally believe Max. I think he is a cool guy and he has never given me a reason not to believe him.

[Roman]

I talked with MAX yesterday. He would like to wish everyone a happy new year and pleaded with me to let the truth be known, to come clean and finally settle this debate.

I built the guitars.



















Just kidding

that was a joke son.

But seriously, read the GP article. Right from the horses mouth, might I add, while pretty fresh in the memory.

Roman

[LoKi]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

Slash may have used both for all I know, but the stories from people who were there contradict one another. Slash, Alan Niven and Jim Foote have nothing to gain by saying the AFD guitar was the Derrig. Kris Derrig is no longer here to make money selling his guitars. Max however does have something to gain by making the claim that the AFD guitar was his. He's still very much alive and still making guitars.

LOL Have you seen how much MAX guitars sell for? Max doesn't need anybody to increase his sales. He made the best, and the price reflects that. He's also no longer making guitars for sale, so what does this statement have to do with anything?

[BCRGreg]

Roman, you are a malcontent. Pure and simple.

[BOBBO]

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Roman, you are a malcontent. Pure and simple.

Look who's talking .

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I'm sure most of you guys already know this, but I just ran across the December 1991 Guitar Player magazine and in this issue on pages 42-43 it shows a few of Slash's guitars. It shows the Les Paul in question and it states,

The "Sweet Child O' Mine" Les Paul-actually a '59 replica with zebra Seymour Duncan Alnico II pickups, built by Peter "Max" Baranet of Max Guitars , Hollywood, California. Used for virtally all of Appetite For Destruction and much of Illusion.

I personally believe Max. I think he is a cool guy and he has never given me a reason not to believe him.

I know there is another article as well ( thinking Vintage guitar) When Slash was asked about the guitar he sort of placidly stated made by some guy named Max

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by RFR

I talked with MAX yesterday. He would like to wish everyone a happy new year and pleaded with me to let the truth be known, to come clean and finally settle this debate.

I built the guitars.
Roman

you picked the wood right ?

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

I know there is another article as well ( thinking Vintage guitar) When Slash was asked about the guitar he sort of placidly stated made by some guy named Max

I would have thought he would have at least mentioned Derrig if he had a guitar from him at the time in the article.

[El Toro]

There's more than one story and, in the end, who freakin' cares. Either you want the best or you don't. Simple.

I bought a ton of that wood and parts for a reason. MAX!

[Darkburst]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I would have thought he would have at least mentioned Derrig if he had a guitar from him at the time in the article.

Where is this article? The one I scanned from Vintage Guitar says he got the Max after he got the Derrig. I've scanned in and posted additional interviews supporting my argument that Slash used the Derrig to record AFD. Can anyone provide some evidence that Slash says he recorded it with the Max? AFD was released in July and the WTTJ video was filmed in August. It's possible that Slash got the Max guitar to use on the upcoming tour.

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by RFR

I talked with MAX yesterday. He would like to wish everyone a happy new year and pleaded with me to let the truth be known, to come clean and finally settle this debate.

I built the guitars.


















Just kidding

that was a joke son.

But seriously, read the GP article. Right from the horses mouth, might I add, while pretty fresh in the memory.

Roman

brother the other day I told everyone I built the guitars.............
One of us is lieing.

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

Where is this article? The one I scanned from Vintage Guitar says he got the Max after he got the Derrig. I've scanned in and posted additional interviews supporting my argument that Slash used the Derrig to record AFD. Can anyone provide some evidence that Slash says he recorded it with the Max? AFD was released in July and the WTTJ video was filmed in August. It's possible that Slash got the Max guitar to use on the upcoming tour.

December 1991 Guitar Player magazine page 42-43. I will see if I can scan it at work tomorrow and post it.

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by ReverendJWblues

brother the other day I told everyone I built the guitars.............
One of us is lieing.

Roman was there at the time & possibly could have touched the wood & JW is a Reverend Now I am really confused

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

Roman was there at the time & possibly could have touched the wood & JW is a Reverend Now I am really confused

brother I may have blessed the wood..........Hence Holy Grail.

[mapleflame]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

you picked the wood right ?

No I did

[Big_dawg]

I was going to type up the extract from slash's autobiography, its quite specific in what it says, but then noticed there are loads of mistakes all through the book (ie Dave Kushner's name spelt wrong virtually all through the book!!) and wondered how much of this slash actually read before it went to print. He does say however that most of the book was written from diary's he kept at the time but loads were missing due to people constantly stealing them, and you gotta wonder, how much he can actually remember from 20 years back being constantly stoned and drunk...

For the record he does actually say the name of the builder is a Max Foot..

In those lists above of his gear Im surprised to see the AFD Marshall Amp there because he says he wanted to keep it, actually told the rental co it had been stolen (because the sound was so good) but that his tech sent it back by mistake and he couldnt get it back from the rental co again...

[lp59aholicDon]

Hmm reading these, Seems Ole Slash has a tendancy of borrowing things on a Very very long term ?
There is another good example too of why one shouldnt live ones days drunk and or stoned, CRS becomes a fact of life before you even hit 30
Oh well, to each their own

[Big_dawg]

dont you sleep, its gotta be like 5am over there right??

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by Big_dawg

dont you sleep, its gotta be like 5am over there right??

My days and time in the Navy gave me a near permanat case of insomnia

[GOLDENZEAL]

I was just wondering what people felt about Slash using Gibson Les Paul replicas during the recoding and live shows. Most other threads I have seen where people talk about Gibson replicas people seem upset at the fact that they even exist. I have a Gibson Les Paul replica from China and it plays fine and looks nice. I was just wondering what people think about Slash using a replica instead of the real Gibson. Any of you own a Gibson replica or any other type of guitar replica? Thanks.

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by GOLDENZEAL

I was just wondering what people felt about Slash using Gibson Les Paul replicas during the recoding and live shows. Most other threads I have seen where people talk about Gibson replicas people seem upset at the fact that they even exist. I have a Gibson Les Paul replica from China and it plays fine and looks nice. I was just wondering what people think about Slash using a replica instead of the real Gibson. Any of you own a Gibson replica or any other type of guitar replica? Thanks.

Just speakng for myself brother I dont care what Slash uses at anytime, anywhere. I love Replicas anything that is built well and can grab ya by the balls. Theres really nothing to a brand name anything if it cant cut it. Most of the best built guitars are made by independent luthiers.

[Darkburst]

There's a big difference between a handmade replica built by expert luthiers like Max and Kris Derrig and a knock-off made in China. Max in particular used period correct wood and building techniques. His Les Paul replicas are as close as you're going to get to a real 50's Les Paul.

[BOBBO]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

There's a big difference between a handmade replica built by expert luthiers like Max and Kris Derrig and a knock-off made in China. Max in particular used period correct wood and building techniques. His Les Paul replicas are as close as you're going to get to a real 50's Les Paul.

Very well said DarkBurst !!!