Slash: Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period

[Southbay Ampworks]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

Does it get any clearer than this? Seriously.

"That was the guitar I used to make that whole record and I still use it today."



We all know that Slash has a Max and it was featured in Welcome to the Jungle and Yesterdays videos. No one is denying that Max makes great guitars and the most sought after Burst replicas. But in all the interviews I have in my magazine collection Slash says he recorded Appetite with the Derrig.

Uh, no, it does not get any clearer than that, and it supports the Niven/Foote version of what happened to a T. I never said Max didn't make great burst replicas, I just know he didn't make the one used for AFD. Apparently, without the fog of alcohol, drugs, craziness or whatever else was going on at that time, it's also clear to Slash.

Sobriety is a wonderful thing for your memory.

[plaintop]

Greg's a hardcore rocker still having that Hammerjacks ticket stub from 20 years ago. And six bucks to get in!....those were the days....

[FLICKOFLASH]

max
n : street names for gamma hydroxybutyrate [syn: soap, scoop,
liquid ecstasy, grievous bodily harm, goop, Georgia
home boy, easy lay still a GOD

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by Todd Louis

Holy Fucking Shit!!!!

I know like seeing Henry Juszkiewicz ,Slash and Zakk Wylde guitar duel/duet

Yeah yeah think its BS


YouTube - Slash and Zakk Wylde guitar duel/duet

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

any better albums in the last 20 years , strong songs beginning to end

Your great man I luv it.
I didnt say it wasnt a great album..........But for me it wasnt that great.
Now may I ask u is slash a great guitarist. (your opinion). Now I agree he has the look the marketability. But tell me honestly is he absolutley a great
musician. (im not saying he isnt good.....very good.........but is he great is he worth all this debate over a guitar. Just tell me why u guys think he is so great.

[FLICKOFLASH]

As 20 years have passed revisiting the old stuff i realized that he is what the legends are made & I will say he is great yet under rated

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

As 20 years have passed revisiting the old stuff i realized that he is what the legends are made & I will say he is great yet under rated

You know I just realized something......... I will give u that. For his time period I guess u can call him great. I cant think of anyone else really from that time period that had more influence. As some of us are from different periods we all have different opinions. I think hes very good at what he does spectacular, Ill give a maybe.........Music changes so much anymore I cant seem to keep up. guess thats why we nevr want to leave our era's
JW

[El Toro]

What is great? Keef?

[BCRGreg]

Other than the fact that Slash is a really good guy, the coolest aspect of his impact is that he didn't play neon pink guitars with chicks painted on them and wear shredded nylons on his arm, when EVERYONE else from LA was doing so. He played blues based riffs and solos when everyone else was shredding gymnastic poopery with no regard to tonality or meter. He single handedly made Les Pauls cool again, much like Hendrix with the Strat in HIS day.

The opening band at that Hammerjack's gig was a Japanese band that looked and sounded like cartoon characters. When Slash and Izzy came out and played cool guitars WELL, the true talent was obvious.

[FLICKOFLASH]

That derring needs some of Buzz's Vintage inlays Badly

[Darkburst]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

That derring needs some of Buzz's Vintage inlays Badly

Not the most authentic looking replica, but it obviously makes up for that in tone and feel.

[ReverendJWblues]

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Other than the fact that Slash is a really good guy, the coolest aspect of his impact is that he didn't play neon pink guitars with chicks painted on them and wear shredded nylons on his arm, when EVERYONE else from LA was doing so. He played blues based riffs and solos when everyone else was shredding gymnastic poopery with no regard to tonality or meter. He single handedly made Les Pauls cool again, much like Hendrix with the Strat in HIS day.

The opening band at that Hammerjack's gig was a Japanese band that looked and sounded like cartoon characters. When Slash and Izzy came out and played cool guitars WELL, the true talent was obvious.

Thats cool, Im not debating that SLASH is a really great guy, I personally dont know the guy But the intrest that caught evryone If u didnt see them but just heard their music was it the guitar tone, the structure of the music, the lyrics, what was the fascination. I would have to agree on the poopery as u call it with some players as being a little ridiculous. Sometimes I wish I could do it but alas its not my talent. But I couldnt tell by just listening to the music If SLASH was playing a MAX or DERRIG or std LP by just listening. Is it just my ears or is everyone else's ears that good. The more I listen tho the more I like the tone. PS Ill take yor word on it that Slash is a great guy.
JW

[ReverendJWblues]

I will give SLASH one thing for certain.... He has definatley got the look. Hes definatley a Rock marketers dream!!!!!!!! Very few have the true look

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

That derring needs some of Buzz's Vintage inlays Badly

Ha ha ha, ha ha ha! Your not going to belive this, but I was looking at this post without scrolling down to what Jeff said and I was thinking the exact same thing. Those look like crap on a popsicle stick! I'd have to see a clear close up to fathom what they are, or maybe what they looked like when the left the shop. Perhaps Slash has had a re-fret and the board has been leveled which thins out the inlays. Of course it is possible in most cases to not damage the inlays at all but I don't want to turn this into a boring technical subject.



Seen GNR when they were hot in '91, Slash did a really long solo, didn't know he was that good till than. I played nothing but (or tried to I should say) GNR for about a few months.

[BCRGreg]

In person, those inlays look like pua shell.

[LoKi]

This has been an interesting read... Of course none of it really matters. All of the people involved are just names. Names of people that were lucky enough to have touched on something that turned out to be pretty special, when it could have just as easily flopped. GnR has been one of my favorite bands since I was a kid, and always will be.

Besides, I remember reading that Slash didn't even have an amp at the time and was using a JCM 800 he tried to steal later on...

Surely the amp had just as much to do with the tone as the guitar and pickups... But please, don't start arguing over where that came from too.

[El Toro]

There was a rental amp from SIR and a Silver Anniversary amp from GRUS.

[plaintop]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Ha ha ha, ha ha ha! Your not going to belive this, but I was looking at this post without scrolling down to what Jeff said and I was thinking the exact same thing. Those look like crap on a popsicle stick! I'd have to see a clear close up to fathom what they are, or maybe what they looked like when the left the shop. Perhaps Slash has had a re-fret and the board has been leveled which thins out the inlays. Of course it is possible in most cases to not damage the inlays at all but I don't want to turn this into a boring technical subject.

The Derrig I saw had some pretty funky features. Much like the Nunis stuff. They are not true knock-offs by any stretch of the imagination. The top and finish was very striking though. I think it was real heavy if I remember correctly. Awesome tone too. I have a pic here somewhere, but probably shouldn't post it without consent. Trust me, they are wild guitars.

[Southbay Ampworks]

Post it if you got it. Hell, I didn't know you took pics that day...wait, I'm not in the photo, am I?

Nah, go ahead, no worries.

[plaintop]

No, but I think Jim's foot is! Wait, is that a pun?

I don't think I have them here at work (I'll check), so it may not be until I get home tonight.

[Southbay Ampworks]

Perfect, it'll be a fine "Foote-note" on this thread.

[plaintop]

Ha!

It's beautiful guitar. I believe it had exposed double black PAFs in it? I had my GC replica there, which I think it ate for lunch...that Derrig had some wicked tone.

[Southbay Ampworks]

Yeah, they were double black PAF's. The owner finally came and got it and took it away last April. It now sits next to his two other Derrig's and his two other Bursts.

I'm going to Maui next Wednesday, and I'm supposed to hook up with him as I owe him a dinner from the last time the wife & I were there (he bought then, I'm buying this time).

As you can imagine, we had to meet up at his place an hour before our dinner reservation, just so I could drool on all of his gear. An extremely lucky guy.

[LoKi]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

Does it get any clearer than this? Seriously.

"That was the guitar I used to make that whole record and I still use it today."



We all know that Slash has a Max and it was featured in Welcome to the Jungle and Yesterdays videos. No one is denying that Max makes great guitars and the most sought after Burst replicas. But in all the interviews I have in my magazine collection Slash says he recorded Appetite with the Derrig.

Not to stir the pot, but this is another article where Slash says one thing, and later on says another thing to the contrary.

I've got another guitar world rag here somewhere where he mentions the amp specifically and says it was a JCM 800 that was rented from SIR and thats all he had, and he stole it after. Later on, they were rehearsing at SIR and his roadie brought it down, and of course the guys there noticed and took it back. I'm not sure the Jubilee was even out yet at the time.. I thought they came out late in autumn of 87.

He couldn't get his blended recorded tone of the 800 and the 2555 until later, if thats the case.

There are also some articles out there that say he had an old modded 1959 SuperLead for the ENTIRE record... and I dunno how modded it is, but that doesn't sound like any SuperLead I've ever owned.

So the truth of it? Maybe the engineer who was there on ALL the sessions knows... or the assistant engineer who actually miced up the amps and plugged in the guitars, or maybe Clink knows for sure... but I doubt it.

Who cares anyway. A guitar is a guitar. Its all in the hands..

[Darkburst]

The the Marshall Silver Jubilee series wasn't released until sometime in 1987. Appetite was recorded between August and December of 1986. From what I've read, Slash used a heavily modified 1959T Superlead rented from SIR for the sessions. The tremolo was disconnected and the extra tube socket available was used to make an additional gain stage. As LoKi pointed out there's no way a stock Superlead would have that much gain on tap.

As for who cares... well obviously Slash fans, Guns N Roses fans and guitar nerds like myself who are curious about the facts and history in the creation of Appetite For Destruction.

[El Toro]

Entirely possible. I know he rented that SIR amp. I know we got him a Jubilee (maybe after recording). I know we had a couple Jose modded Marshalls (which the Jubilee mod is that circuit) and he never liked his amps until the Jubilee, except for that SIR amp.

Still, with the right engineer, a Supro sounds huge, so who knows.

[LoKi]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

The the Marshall Silver Jubilee series wasn't released until sometime in 1987. Appetite was recorded between August and December of 1986. From what I've read, Slash used a heavily modified 1959T Superlead rented from SIR for the sessions. The tremolo was disconnected and the extra tube socket available was used to make an additional gain stage. As LoKi pointed out there's no way a stock Superlead would have that much gain on tap.

As for who cares... well obviously Slash fans, Guns N Roses fans and guitar nerds like myself who are curious about the facts and history in the creation of Appetite For Destruction.

Oh I know WHY people care, I just don't see why it has to turn into a bash fest.

All in all, a few core people were involved with something that turned out to be very special to all of us. Lets just leave it at that. Whats wrong with a little 'mystery' anyway?

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by LoKi

Oh I know WHY people care, I just don't see why it has to turn into a bash fest.

All in all, a few core people were involved with something that turned out to be very special to all of us. Lets just leave it at that. Whats wrong with a little 'mystery' anyway?

I agree

[plaintop]

I can't get the damn pics to load. Comcast has ruined my Internet experience. Can someone host them?

[LoKi]

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