Slash: Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by 1958BURST

Slash: Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period

Personally thanking (FLICKOFLASH) for posting my "Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period" information from my website www.krisderrig.com

and launching the debate publically on July 20, 2007 - which has made this thread the most popular thread on MLP Forum site with over 33,000 hits to date and counting!

Based on public information and 2 years of facts collected from books and first hand accounts

APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION

TIMELINE

BAND SIGNED TO GEFFEN – MARCH 26, 1986

SOUND CITY STUDIOS TRACK COMPLETION

JUNE 4 & 5 1986

“The Hunter Burst” used on the sound city tracks starts Slash’s obsession for another Les Paul after he sold the guitar the following month on Saturday July 13, 1986

July 21st – September 13th 1986 – 6-8 Live shows – All with the Red BC Rich Warlock

September 20 1986 – December 21, 1986 – Black Jackson Super Strat enters the picture

RUMBO STUDIO DATES

(Booked August 1st but delayed until Monday December 2 1986

Monday December 2, 1986 – GNR enters Rumbo Studios to commence recording the initial scratch tracks for AFD – Studio log dates

Friday December 20, 1986 - Basic tracks completed in 3 weeks – According to Slash he only had the Red BC Rich Warlock / Black Jackson Super Strat / 1961 SG (The SG was used on “My Michelle” and later he smashed the SG guitar sending it through the van windshield for some amusement)

Alan Niven during this time hunting around for a Les Paul at Slash’s request to find another Les Paul to use on the lead tracks for , and goes to Jim Foote at MusicWorks to get a guitar and Jim replies “ the only one he’s got is the one in the window that Kris made as told by Jim Foote

Friday December 20, 1986 – He receives the Derrig LP on the last day of the Rumbo Studios recording date as told by Slash in his bio.

Saturday December 21, 1986 - Take 1 Studios – booked by Alan after getting the Derrig for Slash - They go back and quickly complete the final lead guitar tracks with the Derrig before the Christmas as Take 1 closed for the entire holiday period until Wednesday the 1st of January 1987

Monday night - December 23, 1986 – photographed playing the Derrig at the Cat House – EP Live like a Suicide EP release party

Tuesday December 24, 1986 - Take 1 Studios – final studio date for Slash completed the lead guitar tracks

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by Southbay Ampworks

Hi "Max"...nope, I'm just providing proof that Derrig was a player in this and you weren't. Looks like when it comes to putting up or shutting up...well...I guess "see ya!" pretty much sums it up. I believe you have proved my point now. You have no proof, no firsthand people there, nor the backup of any of the people associated with the sessions. And if you do, you can't prove or document any of it.

A couple of clarifications are due:

1) That Guitar One article states that Slash met Kris. Didn't happen, he never met him. Alan got the guitar, it was loaded with pickups, and went out the door, never to be seen again.

2) The MAX guitar was used on the AFD videos for MTV, etc. NOT on the AFD recording sessions.

3) As near as I can tell from online discussions, you have never, ever admitted publicly to the Derrig being there for AFD sessions. If you have, point me to that article and I'll retract that statement.

4) I guess you're going to gloss over the Guitar One interview, and focus on the gold & platinum records. Good move, that way you don't have to answer any direct questions. Alan & Foote say your guitar wasn't there, not the gold records.

5) Also, Alan doesn't know you by MAX, Slash's replica builder, or Peter Baranet. This was as of five years ago. If you've made contact since then, great, but it hadn't happened by 2002/2003, when I got Alan & Jim's side of the story.

No one is trying to re-write history here, just trying to set it straight from the tales told by you to benefit...you. Alan came & got the guitar after the AFD sessions started. If yours were there 2 days before they started, and the one used, then, as I've said previously, there would not be any need for the Derrig. You've got some big holes to fill in on your story, sir.

Once again, MAX, aka Peter Baranet, please show me what you've got for proof. At this point, it looks like you're running away from a valid discussion that questions your integrity, with some backup from people that were there that provides some qualifications to discredit you.

All I'm trying to do is set aside the fairy tale, and provide the truth. I'm pretty certain I have it, and you were never a player until later, and have used Derrig's reputation and skills to improve your own reputation, and bottom line.

Deja-vue'

[FLICKOFLASH]

The Steve Hunter Burst / Slash Burst / Pre-A.F.D. Era **TRUTH REVEALED**

The Steve Hunter Burst / Slash Burst / Pre-A.F.D. Era **TRUTH REVEALED**

The Steve Hunter Burst / Slash Burst / Pre-A.F.D. Era **TRUTH REVEALED**

[Darkburst]

Slash keeps posting the Derrig as his "number one" or "main guitar" on his Twitter feed. So it's pretty safe to say that was his main guitar for AFD too.

[#1guitarman]

Ok, now WHO REALLY GIVES A RATS A*S what slash played, FACT: The dude rocks, he is a great guitarist, slam fupped duck or totaly sober, he could probably make a F*n*e* Sq*ire sound good, this babble about what he played and who made it sounds like a buncha Jr. High schoolers who are trying to tell the biggest lie...come on this site is dedicated to the INSTRUMENT...not the picker...

[Clay The Kid]

Minus the bickering I loved the thread.

[shtdaprdtr]

Slash used my guitar when he recorded appetite....I was only 8 but I built a replica out of Balsa wood ...he was so high he didnt realize it and borrowed it from the music store in Queens where I had it displayed...that night he flew out to Cali and used it on all the leads on appetite, and for the rythym tracks he used my synsonic terminator guitar made of presswood with a built in amplifier powered by a 9-volt...and thats the truth, but for lawsuit reasons I asked them to keep it a secret so Gibson wouldnt sue me...unfortunately they found out and we agreed to a settlement where they took my whole supply of Balsa and inserted it in their Les Paul Custom lites from the late 80's early 90's.....I was there man! You cant deny the existence of my Balsa wood!

[b_sirman]

YouTube - Slash jamming on American Man - rhythm and lead

YouTube - Slash jamming on American Man - rhythm and lead

[FLICKOFLASH]

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[FLICKOFLASH]

Quote from Axl: When asked about the potential of a reunion with his former bandmates, Rose talks about the possibility of working with IZZY STRADLIN or DUFF McKAGAN in the future. As for SLASH, however, he says bluntly, "one of the two of us will die before a reunion and however sad, ugly or unfortunate anyone views it, it is how it is."

[FLICKOFLASH]

There has been some chatter Gibson will be doing a signature model of thr Derrig

[billy]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

There has been some chatter Gibson will be doing a signature model of thr Derrig

The irony, Derrig copy's Gibson and now Gibson copy's Derrig..... Now how can Gibson say they don't profit of Replica's.....

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by billy

The irony, Derrig copy's Gibson and now Gibson copy's Derrig..... Now how can Gibson say they don't profit of Replica's.....

& when Gibson wants to get the reissues right they will copy a Max

[GuitarGuy503]

Originally Posted by #1guitarman

Ok, now WHO REALLY GIVES A RATS A*S what slash played, FACT: The dude rocks, he is a great guitarist, slam fupped duck or totaly sober, he could probably make a F*n*e* Sq*ire sound good, this babble about what he played and who made it sounds like a buncha Jr. High schoolers who are trying to tell the biggest lie...come on this site is dedicated to the INSTRUMENT...not the picker...

Exactly my thoughts. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Peaceman]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

& when Gibson wants to get the reissues right they will copy a Max

If only!

[Tsukiyomi]

Ok, I'm in no way affiliated with Slash, Derrig, Max Headroom, Axl, Velvet Revolver, Les Paul, Chet Atkins, the Atkins Diet, Diet Coke, Classic Coke, Bolivia or anyone in this thread, but...

[Marlboro13]

Any news?

[shtdaprdtr]

Originally Posted by Tsukiyomi

Ok, I'm in no way affiliated with Slash, Derrig, Max Headroom, Axl, Velvet Revolver, Les Paul, Chet Atkins, the Atkins Diet, Diet Coke, Classic Coke, Bolivia or anyone in this thread, but...

he wasn't serious?....was he?

[GBLEV]

After reading this post for three days from page one, (two years of threads) I am shocked to find no true answer about the Replica to rightfully claim the "Hollwed AFD Tone." After all the facts I read, I believe it was the Max. Hands down! You never seen Slash tour or take pic's with that guitar as much as he did the Derrig in the past. I believe that's because he keeps it locked up until he needs to pull out his big gun for a recording. And if I would of made that AFD album with a certian guitar, it would be locked up to. Especially the way you always read about these kind of situations, where the guitar ends up getting stolen or destroyed.

[shaun]

WTF is so different about the AFD tone anyway.
its an 80's recording of a LP thru a Marshall.
gee, that was hard to work out, now time to go jerk off about it

[armann]

Originally Posted by shaun

WTF is so different about the AFD tone anyway.
its an 80's recording of a LP thru a Marshall.
gee, that was hard to work out, now time to go jerk off about it

In my mind it's epic but that's just me.

A lot of records have Les Paul's through Marshall's but don't sound the same.

[duff]

Slash on twitter :

Billy G. Playing my "Derrig" LP, which is going to be duplicated as the new "Slash Model."




We're going to call the new Les Paul "Slash Model" the "Appetite" guitar. It is modeled after the guitar I recorded that album with.

discussion closed ?

[FLICKOFLASH]

Honestly the derring isn't that special of a guitar the inlays blow & it wasn't historically accurate . So i for wont be swoon by this model . Now if they copied the Max which he keeps in a vault !!!

[duff]

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[Darkburst]

Originally Posted by GBLEV

After reading this post for three days from page one, (two years of threads) I am shocked to find no true answer about the Replica to rightfully claim the "Hollwed AFD Tone." After all the facts I read, I believe it was the Max. Hands down! You never seen Slash tour or take pic's with that guitar as much as he did the Derrig in the past. I believe that's because he keeps it locked up until he needs to pull out his big gun for a recording. And if I would of made that AFD album with a certian guitar, it would be locked up to. Especially the way you always read about these kind of situations, where the guitar ends up getting stolen or destroyed.

Well you are wrong. Slash has posted on his Twitter stream several times that the Derrig was his main recording guitar since he used it on Appetite For Destruction. It's possible that his Max was used on some tracks, but if you watch video bootlegs from GnR's early AFD tours Slash obviously prefers the Derrig.

[porkchop87]

Originally Posted by Clay The Kid

Minus the bickering I loved the thread.

Yeah, it was a great read... I'm glad somebody dug this up.

Thanks a lot Flick!!!

[GBLEV]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

Well you are wrong. Slash has posted on his Twitter stream several times that the Derrig was his main recording guitar since he used it on Appetite For Destruction. It's possible that his Max was used on some tracks, but if you watch video bootlegs from GnR's early AFD tours Slash obviously prefers the Derrig.

Darkburst, I have to admit, I may be wrong. Just the other day I came across my DVD of the Ritz concert in '88. And as I was watching it, I couldn't help but noticed the punchy tone of the Derrig, when he played it. So I broke out my Appetite CD and played a few of the tracks. Given, that there has been some mastering done to the CD, to achieve the final cut. The simular "punchy, gritty" tone that the Derrig had, is very simiular to that which is on Appetite. More so, than when he was playing the Max. When compared, the tone on the DVD to the CD, is just way to much alike to be denied. Therefore, I change my opinion. I would have to say it was the Derrig that produced that epic tone on Appetite.