Slash: Derrig vs Max - The AFD Period

[1958BURST]

Here is a shot of one my Derrig's This a later Derrig circa 1/86.


PLAINTOP WHATS UP MAN - DO YOU MISS HER?
SS

[Roman]

Originally Posted by 1958BURST

RFR,
That you are my boy, how are things going?
Hows that new top carving machine, keep it warm for me.
I'll be calling soon.
SS

Hiya Sheldon.

How the hell are you? been a while since I've seen you.

The new top carve machine is SWEEET!

Now I dont have to go to MAX and beg to use his!!

[1958BURST]

Originally Posted by RFR

Hiya Sheldon.

How the hell are you? been a while since I've seen you.

The new top carve machine is SWEEET!

Now I dont have to go to MAX and beg to use his!!

Hey Man!
Give me a call, your last known phone number is dead!
SS

[Darkburst]

[Scooter2112]

Hey great pictures!!

Now is that the Max or the Derrig?

[General Disarray]

Originally Posted by Scooter2112

Hey great pictures!!

Now is that the Max or the Derrig?

Definately the Derrig.

[El Toro]

What's the black guitar in the corner?

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by General Disarray

Definately the Derrig.

That is correct Max would never use inlays that

[armann]

Just finished reading 13 pages !
I do feel that some people need to drink less coffee and remember
it's all in the hands of the player. I have been a big fan of Slash since 1989
and he is a part of the reason why I started playing the guitar.
I do sound the same if I'm playing my Strat through my Fargen or my
Les Paul through Marshall VM or a Germino. I guess the same goes for
Slash and the rest of us.
Let's not compare Slash to Jimmy Page and put our flamesuits on
and say one is this and that, both awesome players that made great music.

What I love about Slash is his melodic solos which have been missing on the
last two VR albums I think but he said in his GW column that he's going to change that when the 3rd album comes out....Yes it's going to come out

Great thread...

[Darkburst]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

That is correct Max would never use inlays that

True. I've noticed that in the pictures of Max 'Bursts the inlays look more like early 50's inlays rather than those typically found in 58's, 59's and 60's 'Bursts.

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

True. I've noticed that in the pictures of Max 'Bursts the inlays look more like early 50's inlays rather than those typically found in 58's, 59's and 60's 'Bursts.

What is the difference in early 50's vs 58 ,59, 60 ? I do know beyond those years they changed

[Darkburst]

The inlay on the earlier Les Pauls has a wider variation in pattern. Starting in '57 the inlay start to have strong lines going north and south on them. Check it a few examples:

[ReverendJWblues]

I have to admit I'm slowly coming around to kinda admiring Slash's playing.

[armann]

Originally Posted by ReverendJWblues

I have to admit I'm slowly coming around to kinda admiring Slash's playing.

There you go.....
Would be great if young famous players today sounded more like him...

[kotatsu]

some little things about the S.I.R "Stock #36" mod...
no BOSS OD in it...
what would have been the point of adding a tube? <-- sorry for my english...
I heard about Slash having is BOSS OD in some amps too anyway...

the mod is really that simple and can be made in most marshalls:

add a preamp tube in the signal path of the lead channel...
on lead channel add a parallel loop that puts the clean sound directly at the last preamp tube(must pass through the last one)... you have to compensate the other half part of this circuit resitance...

that makes the chimey "clean" sound, but with POWER tube saturation,almost full harmonic range and add playing dynamic!!, mixed something like -3 db (at speaker pov) with the full preamped lead sound.... I personally believe (convinced?) that the Stock 36 was EL34.

you know the result... THAT really "bad to the bone" tone!!!!!

(good idea to have a switch... more voicings in the same amp..)

PS:DO NOT TRY TO MOD YOUR AMP IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT SECURITY MEASURES FOR HIGH VOLTAGES AND BETRAYING CAPAs It can KILL YOU EASILY!!!!!! the best way is to ask a tech to get it done

EDIT: I never seen the real amp but it sounds like the mod I described above... ow and JCM 800 marshall schematics says 1981... for those who doubt the 36 was a JCM800

EDIT2: I recently put a hand on the schematics for the real mod... that's cabled differently compared to what I say above but the principle is the same... use 2 preamp tube for the added clean channel instead of one and (I not yet have looked at it seriously) surely some Frequency Filtering (Direct soldered EQing ) on 2 tubes(surely the clean to roll off some frequencies part that's added ).
I'll put an exact match schematic soon.

[JHall]

What a great thread...thanks for the interesting back-and-forth about my favourite guitar, and favourite guitar player. Just killed a good chunk of my work day.
Cheers,
JHall

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by Darkburst

The inlay on the earlier Les Pauls has a wider variation in pattern. Starting in '57 the inlay start to have strong lines going north and south on them. Check it a few examples:

I believe some of those are late 60's pix or replaced inlays, Early inlays are from the same batch but maybe be sanded thinner. Thus the reason many show brown thru. Max used boards off of early 60's SG’s .Sometime in the early 60 inlays got busier figures which made some earlier believe the inlays were cut of a large block. This has been proven untrue as Dave Johnson spent 6 years working on contracting with the original manufacture of the inlay which they still had the original papers to mix by .

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/hist...ved-today.html

[Darkburst]

Trust me, these pictures are all originals from 52-60. Dave's look perfect for 1957 - 1960 style inlay. There was thread on the LPF that went over the changes over the years in detail. Early goldtops had more random geometric shapes going on in the inlay compared to 57-60's LP's.

[eshuffle]

Those are some awesome pictures of Slash. Nice close up of the guitar. How cool is that.

[FLICKOFLASH]

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

Come meet Slash !!!

:Your Invited : Gibson Summer Jam 08

[FLICKOFLASH]

YouTube - Slash's Ultimate Guitar Showdown (longer version)

lol notice the edit

[doubletalkinjive]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

YouTube - Slash's Ultimate Guitar Showdown (longer version)

lol notice the edit

Haha! Even Slash has his doubts about what to say and not to say....its hillarious to see his expression on the face when he gets to talk about the Derrig -he knows that is a senitive subject... Gibson censorship, must be

[trguitar]

what are the finishes on slashs replicas? Is the derrig trans amber?

[trguitar]

can anybody please answer my question? Cos i really cant tell with the pics! Like i sa.id it looks like a trans amber

[FLICKOFLASH]

Originally Posted by FLICKOFLASH

YouTube - Slash's Ultimate Guitar Showdown (longer version)

lol notice the edit

which copy had the bowed neck & he put the headstock thru the drywall? edit is at 3:57

[doubletalkinjive]

Slash's first sunburst LP was a tangerine-kinda-burst quilttop originally owned by Alice Cooper guitarist, Steve Hunter. This was the guitar Slash smashed through the wall in the stuido because of the bowed neck. Slash purchased Steve's LP at Guitars R Us and used this guitar for the first time in public on Sep. 28 1985 at the 8th annual L.A. Street Scene show. This was the first time Slash using a Les Paul at a GN'R show!(pp.137-139Reckless Road)
This LP and some B.C. Rich and Jackson guitars, were the guitars he used until he reckoned they sounded like sh*t in the studio and thats when the Derrig comes into the story...
I've just acquired "Reckless Road -The making of Appetite for Destruction" which contains several pictures of this guitar. Its a must for every Slash and GN'R fan! Great book with loads and loads of interesting pictures!
I ain't sure if this LP was a handbuild replica by some of the L.A. ghostbuilders like Max and Derrig or if its a special genuine Gibson. Definitely an interesting guitar as well..
Here are some shots!
with scratchplate:

without:




w. a lovely chick!

[timgman]

I must say that this is the coolest thread I've ever read...
I love AFD and most other GNR works.
Slash, however can't be relied on he was on heroin or wasted nearly 100% of the time....
(read his book)... And that's OK... It's not like hendrix / page / clapton / man others we're clean..........
The rock n roll life is not easy (any of you that have gigged can say that)
I am a retired guitarist I still dabble in a hobby manner but the scene can be insane and the scene I've seen is nothing compared to what slash dealt with....He really has cleaned up and I praise him for that.

SOOO... can someone that knows slash ask for a COMPLETE verification of the guitar by visually inspecting it? can anyone close this?

who does the set-ups on these before he goes in the studio???


timg

[shannon undery]

Hi
I've been after a high quality 59 Les Paul replica and I keep hearing three names Derrig,Max and Keebler.However I can never seem to find one for sale let alone how much they sell for.Do any of them have websites or does anyone know where I could find one.
Thankyou

[FLICKOFLASH]

all no longer build

on a side note I maybe meeting Slash Tonight ....