ls80 vivisection

[bluesyrat]

Hi guys, Dry Z are on my baby with their new pots and caps, so, for all those who can help and interest, i'm posting a few pics about a LS80 vintage features...

Neck pick up



Bridge pick up



no soldering for covers!



nice double screw zebras inside!




neck pick up cavity



The old PCB



some close up... Noble pots 500k, 2 audio (volume) 2 linear (tone), perhaps that's why that sense of "tone on - ton off" turning knobs...











pcb top (pots "1" "3" stamped)



tha plastic foil usually between pots and wood

[bluesyrat]

knob and outbuildings



pick up spring...



pick up ring bottom



the other one



bridge and brass saddles







nice screw fingerboard curvature...



Stop Tailpiece









washer and stud



naked!



new wiring... 35 mm caps!



Ready to try the Z's...

[slapshot]

you shoulda tried putting those caps n the pcb board

[MauiCliff]

Great job !! Train keppa rolling... all night long!!

[Mick51]

Originally Posted by slapshot

you shoulda tried putting those caps n the pcb board

That's what I do; but I use NOS Vitamin "Q" caps. You could use the Russian PIO in the same way, if the leads (one of them, at least) are 5 mm - 7 mm longer than the cap body. Which explains why I use the NOS Vitamin "Q".

And, I actually find the controls with the PCB board to be quite good.

[slapshot]

no removal of that ****ing PCB board is the correct play for a keeper.
wether by total pot replacement or desoldering the board.
however some dickheads feel that it's better to keep it all original as much as possible so squeezing in a cpl of those ruskie bullets on the board is a pain in ze assss

[bluesyrat]

Originally Posted by slapshot

you shoulda tried putting those caps n the pcb board

Thanks slap...

It will be quite simple re install the board and the pick ups kept untouched....

The Noble pots on mine frankly didn't allow much control especially linear tone pots...

i did 50's wiring, all audio pots (best fot my taste and vintage correct), russian caps like yours

i played it a bit tonight... it seems i found my holy grail... more info later...

[tonebone]

Originally Posted by slapshot

however some dickheads feel that it's better to keep it all original as much as possible ....

Just looked in the mirror, ... my head does look like a dick!

Still considering changing the 250k's in my Burny, but it matches my voices now.

Originally Posted by bluesyrat

new wiring... 35 mm caps!

Holy Chit! Those look like artillery shells!

Where do you get those? And what are they?

Definitely what should go in a lifer guitar.

[vladmaximus]

KOOL !!!! rock on bro

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by tonebone

Just looked in the mirror, ... my head does look like a dick!



Holy Chit! Those look like artillery shells!

Where do you get those? And what are they?

Definitely what should go in a lifer guitar.

mine does thats my tokai ls-50 control cavity
they're K40y-9s russian mil spec 22's i put them in everything.try ebay
australian customs also thinks they look like shells too .....

[bluesyrat]

Originally Posted by tonebone

Holy Chit! Those look like artillery shells!

Where do you get those? And what are they?

Definitely what should go in a lifer guitar.

+1 slap, are K40y-9. i bought them here... si-maher | eBay

very nice and reliable guy...

those caps give me the woody and warm tone that i expect when tone knob get closed... wonderful... And Z's make really the difference...

[tonebone]

Looks like you guys went for the .010's.

Why didn't you go for the traditional .020's he has for sale? Or even the .015's?


edit: I don't see the 35mm caps there.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/si-maher/m.h...id=p4340.l2562

[bluesyrat]

Originally Posted by tonebone

Looks like you guys went for the .010's.

Why didn't you go for the traditional .020's he has for sale? Or even the .015's?


edit: I don't see the 35mm caps there.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/si-maher/m.html?hash=item1e6e02d23c&item=130694697532&pt=UK _Guitar_Accessories&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562

I went for 35 mm .022, now sold out unfortunately...

here they were... http://www.ebay.it/itm/130694696959?...84.m1497.l2648

[3pupLPC]

Originally Posted by tonebone

Looks like you guys went for the .010's.

Why didn't you go for the traditional .020's he has for sale? Or even the .015's?


edit: I don't see the 35mm caps there.
si-maher | eBay

I like the .010's as as like some of the high it maintains when rolled all the way down. I actual use my tone controls a lot more now.

[BrazenPicker]

Caps

I've had a good experience with this guy "outtahear" on TGP. Pretty sure they're the 35mm ones. Roughly the same as a AAA battery.

[slapshot]

negatory i use 0.022's and get them direct from the KGB by the box
lower voltages will be smaller.guy above has the smaller more manageable size

[BrazenPicker]

Just ordered a couple more and this is what he said he has in stock. Going by the voltages, would the 47u be small and the other two large? I'm on a holiday so I can't measure the ones I got last time. Not that I care either way, just curious whether Size/voltage go hand in hand.

2) .047/200V
3) .022/1kV
3) .015/1kV

[Mick51]

Originally Posted by BrazenPicker

Just ordered a couple more and this is what he said he has in stock. Going by the voltages, would the 47u be small and the other two large? I'm on a holiday so I can't measure the ones I got last time. Not that I care either way, just curious whether Size/voltage go hand in hand.

2) .047/200V
3) .022/1kV
3) .015/1kV

Yes. The 1 KV will be rather large.

[BrazenPicker]

Thanks, will confirm when I get back from my holiday in Sodom and Gomorrah.

[gypsyseven]

Nice one!

[slapshot]

silver bullets for LP's (1000v) green goblins for strats (160v)
so yes smaller voltage = smaller size
green goblins are K42Y-2 .can also be found in 22's
both rock harder than a clampets rocking chair i found greens to be a better match in all mahogany outfits though such as SG's,jnrs & customs

[BrazenPicker]

Heheh. I think it's funny they're now selling this as "vintage":

Vintage Tokai cotrol plate

As an aside, it seems to be accepted internet wisdom (MIJ afficionados aside) that Japanese guitars have crap electronics, but truth is it's a mixed bag with lots of good parts as well. I think a lot of people see such a PCB board and automatically conclude it must be crap.

[slapshot]

it's not exactly crap I just deem them an unnecessary extra.
that they're also a dedicated circuit would also bother me

[bluesyrat]

Saying the truth, on mine the electronic side was the lower level side... but it's only my personal taste... now guitar is touch (and knobs turning) responsive...
my ears are better than playing unfortunately...