Unofficial official anything GRECO theory photo id related thread

[JDB]

Dont know yet. Not clued up on coil spliting so probably do a JP style.

[slapshot]

double white PU-0's

[Udonitron]

Originally Posted by slapshot

double white PU-0's

Good choice of pics to show off the double white there Slap...derp! lol

[emptyisvarah]

Hahahaha! : )

[slapshot]

considering you can see the edges of the bobbins and was more concerned with showing the wire & lack of covers I chose the right one.
as usual gigafail on your part

[Udonitron]

Well no, you can see 1 of 2 bobbins sooooo they could be zebras.
No link = fail

[slapshot]

1.maybe i'm ****ing hiding the link for myself?
2.it was stated they were double whites
3.**** off
4.no forethought = ubergigafail

[Udonitron]

What a cock tease

[slapshot]

Greco EG1200

[jacco]

Damn..

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[mono]

holy shit

don't like that crack at the neck or multi-piece back though

[wulfman]

The thinner neck is also a bit of a minus. Nice lumber though.

[reborn old]

The seller wrote:
"Check the weather is not the body part of the neck joint"

...but looking at how nitro crazing radiates from the darker line or crack underneath,
I suspect the neck has been compromised at least to some extent.

Too bad, one of the nicer solid tops on that one.
Crazy valuations regardless of condition.

[bsharpflat]

Originally Posted by slapshot

Greco EG1200

$4765 end bid?? holy cow...these are pancacke bodies right.??

[reborn old]

The seller did mention the back was 2 ply, but there is a lot of figuring in the top also.
I guess wealthy Japanese collectors see all rare vintage guitar examples as collectible.
Late 70's EG-1200's are Special Editions are rarer than EGF's that followed.

[JDB]

Those 1200s are like gold in Japan and very rare from what I have read. So yeah as Reborn said a collectible.

I dont think the tops on them are that figured, its more the finish that you are seeing in those pics.
I have a greco from the same period with a similar finish. has a lot of birds eye and some nice figuring which is clearly visible in the finish but also a lot of what you see is the way its been finished.

[tonebone]

Originally Posted by reborn old

The seller did mention the back was 2 ply, but there is a lot of figuring in the top also.
I guess wealthy Japanese collectors see all rare vintage guitar examples as collectible.
Late 70's EG-1200's are Special Editions are rarer than EGF's that followed.

Seller says,
" In the making and the specifications it was inferior to Burny and especially Tokai, but, the kind of air which has been fascinated by something above [kuoritei] does."

So these late 70's weren't as good as Tokai or Burny, but something about the way they were made, made them more special. Interesting.

I'd like a time machine. Go back to 1998-2002 and see if I could pick up a Greco dirt cheap on ebay, before anyone knew about them. Or least, before so many found out about them.

[Udonitron]

Those show up a couple of times per year and on average sold for around 70-100K.
One I lost on one that had a few little toggle switch holes filled in and still looked great and sold for a BIN of 35K.
I dig the fallout finish but not for over 100K.
That price is pure retarded IMO....wait for it to be relisted I bet.

[jacco]

I was going through my files and it looks like the 2 piece back EGF1800s all weigh in the 3.9-4.1 kg/8.6-9.1 lbs range and the 1 piece back 1800s weigh 4.2 kg/9.2 lbs and up.
Anyone here who has data that could back this up or tell otherwise?

This could imply that weight was an issue during that timeframe, maybe because of Fujigen using of a certain type of mahogany = honduran?

[reborn old]

While old growth Honduran can often be light, it still covers a very wide range of densities
as a mahogany subspecies, as a luthier once reminded me.
Until you get a hold of Kanda Shokai purchase orders for EGF stock,
mahogany subspecies used will probably always remain a mystery.
Same goes for the more unremarkable EGF dark fret board examples, claimed to be Brazilian.
More important than wood sources, are individual tap tones (or resonant frequencies)
of wood stock used in the construction of your guitars.

EGF's generally sound above average though, probably in large part due to discriminating
wood stock selection, whatever the source.

[jacco]

Hmmm yes, tonal quality of the wood is a possibility. Thinking about it, the question rose why over a few years timespan Fujigen could have a weight issue with their EGFs? It was a big, the biggest by that time, Japanese guitar factory. It had been in business for years and had it's channels to import certain tone woods. So why if they had a stock of heavy weight maho, didn't they get some lighter wood for their flagship models?
An early 1979 Tokai catalog states south american maho was used, early 80s Greco catalogs state brazilian rosewood fretboards were used on top models and I have seen a 1984 custom shop Kasuga Burny RLC120 with certificate that honduran maho was used, so the significance of certain woods was well known during that period.

[villager]

how many examples have you weighed in total?

[jacco]

Not many, that's why I asked, you could provide some more data :-) Personally I have weighed 4, plus 5 others, 3 were 1 piece backs.

[fragchamp]

Originally Posted by reborn old

Same goes for the more unremarkable EGF dark fret board examples, claimed to be Brazilian.
More important than wood sources, are individual tap tones (or resonant frequencies)
of wood stock used in the construction of your guitars.

EGF's generally sound above average though, probably in large part due to discriminating
wood stock selection, whatever the source.

I have a dark fretboard 1200 at 4.41kg and a light fretboard 1200 at 3.93kg. They sound different but I don't prefer either one. IMO weight changes the type of tone but it's mostly irrelevant to the quality of the tone.

[MauiCliff]

Originally Posted by bsharpflat

$4765 end bid?? holy cow...these are pancacke bodies right.??

Wow..... $4765.00...I guess I am out of the loop..... maybe I should purchase this.. for less..

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[Udonitron]

Cliff man, you really want that don't you lol?
I sold for way less before...wait for a price drop I would say or buy a used newer Nav for 1/2 the price

[bsharpflat]

Greco Les Paul with "Les Paul Model" script...Didnt know Greco used the "Les Paul Model" script...Was this late 70's perhaps

[Udonitron]

Added later I suspect but you never know with MIJ

[slapshot]

Super Real GT

[bsharpflat]

Originally Posted by slapshot

Super Real GT

that would be it.

I know Burny and Toaki used the "Les Paul" script but didnt think Greco did, especially in the super real years...would I be correct in saying that?