No bids for a Jay Turser LP?

[Annoying Twit]

No bids @£50 for a Jay Turser LP? The "pickup only" will have reduced the pool of possible bidders, but I would have thought someone would have paid £50 for this. No?

JAY TURSER LES PAUL TYPE GUITAR on eBay (end time 01-Sep-10 15:54:08 BST)

UK Ebay, item number 290468025435

[mono]

Pretty liberal use of the words "Les Paul" in that auction
£50 is still a steal though..

[Bubbletonic]

very little infomation and one picture...I wouldn't bid on it

[dennistruckdriver]

Who the heck is Jay Turser, anyway?

[UITA]

£50 is about right.

[EvLectric]

That's a damn good question Dennis. I've wondered about that for a while now. I can't seem to find the answer anywhere.
edit - maybe if I cared more...

[mono]

I don't care to the extent that I'm going to post in this thread.

Here's me not caring.

[UITA]

I care that you don't care!!!! Jay Turser is a god amongst men in my eyes and if people only cared more there may not be any war, famine, poverty etc. You weak people!!!!

[Annoying Twit]

When I've seen Jay Turser LPs for sale in the UK new, they've been about £200. I'd be pretty brassed off if I'd bought a £200 guitar and couldn't even sell it on for £50. I haven't seen many of the "Sheridan" LPs sell second hand, but those that have sold for a fraction of their new price, which is a lot of depreciation for someone presumably starting out. Personally, seeing some of these sales on Ebay just completely puts me off buying anything new. But in some cases, and in the UK Jay Turser is one such brand, you buy something and can't sell it for anything like what you paid.

I've wondered about some other guitar brands. Everyone oohs and aahs about the FGN Fujigen guitars, but if you tried to sell one, would they hold their value?

[EvLectric]

Originally Posted by Annoying Twit

...I've wondered about some other guitar brands. Everyone oohs and aahs about the FGN Fujigen guitars, but if you tried to sell one, would they hold their value?

Probably not. At least FGN's have a heritage behind it.

[River]

Wow. That's fascinating.

[EvLectric]

I was fascinated. Almost.

[Leumas]

I don't know how Jay Turser's quality is from guitar to guitar, but I rehabbed one a couple years back and there was nothing I could do to make it any fun to play at all.

[Annoying Twit]

Originally Posted by EvLectric

Probably not. At least FGN's have a heritage behind it.

So do Fernandes, but some of the quite good Fernandes guitars sell second hand on ebay for a fraction of their new price. Like one third or so. There's another UK forum with quite a few Fernandes fans on it, and they quite often post when a "potential bargain" comes up on ebay. And, quite frequently, they're right. While a FGN guitar has quite some heritage behind it, it's still a matter of supply and demand. I'm not suggesting that a FGN would sell for a fraction of new price, but wonder how many hundreds you'd lose through depreciation given the new price.

I see that some of the regular idiots are posting content-free followups on this thread, but IMHO the vast variation in instant depreciation when buying new is something to consider. I don't know off hand which LP style guitars in the low-mid price brackets hold their value well. Like say a Squier Vintage Modified Bass does, which often sell for 70-80% of the lowest new prices on ebay second hand. Any such brands/models?

When I look at some of the lower end, price wise, MIJs on ebay, bolt-ons etc., I'm not convinced that they'd be a better instrument than a modern Chinese or Vietnamese instrument. As I've mentioned before I passed on a Matsumoku made YS400 (not an LP, but similar in some respects) because I didn't think it played better than my Vietnamese made V100. But, at least with the low end MIJ, the depreciation has already happened.

[Annoying Twit]

Originally Posted by Leumas

I don't know how Jay Turser's quality is from guitar to guitar, but I rehabbed one a couple years back and there was nothing I could do to make it any fun to play at all.

I was quite interested to try one when I first found one in a shop. I'd seen quite a few people on Harmony Central who quite liked them. But I wasn't impressed. The Tokai ALS48 I played at the same time felt better. If it was a £100 or £150 instrument, as I think they are in the US if you do the currency conversion, then they're better than the alternatives at that price range. But, in the UK, at the prices they're sold for, they just don't seem good value for money to me. And they're seemingly difficult to sell second hand too.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Annoying Twit

I was quite interested to try one when I first found one in a shop. I'd seen quite a few people on Harmony Central who quite liked them. But I wasn't impressed... <snip>

Mine wasn't an LP, but a double cut w/ two humbuckers, bolt on neck. I hit all the right bases...got the neck straightened out, stayed in tune, sounded pretty good clean and cranked, action was nice and tight...on paper that should have made it a decent player, but it was a dog.

[StrangerNY]

Originally Posted by Leumas

I don't know how Jay Turser's quality is from guitar to guitar, but I rehabbed one a couple years back and there was nothing I could do to make it any fun to play at all.

I used to have a bunch of them. I still have a 7-string that I keep around for recording, an electric resonator, and a 335 knockoff that is a really fun little guitar.

My bass player has one of the top-of-the-line LP knockoffs. Easily as good as an Epiphone.

- D

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by StrangerNY

I used to have a bunch of them. I still have a 7-string that I keep around for recording, an electric resonator, and a 335 knockoff that is a really fun little guitar.

My bass player has one of the top-of-the-line LP knockoffs. Easily as good as an Epiphone.

- D

Very cool, that's why I was careful to point out my experience was with only one guitar. Glad to hear there's some good ones out there!

[AngryHatter]

Originally Posted by Leumas

I don't know how Jay Turser's quality is from guitar to guitar, but I rehabbed one a couple years back and there was nothing I could do to make it any fun to play at all.

+1
They are absolute garbage.
They ARE Chinese knockoffs.

I had an Turser SG that I paid $180. I sold it for $140 three months later.
The tuners began to corrode in a month (the gold plating wore and developed blisters), the pickups were microphonic, the wood was balsa, poorly chosen (had a knot), painted and finished (thick in spots), the neck was warped, the frets uneven...

[Annoying Twit]

Originally Posted by StrangerNY

I used to have a bunch of them. I still have a 7-string that I keep around for recording, an electric resonator, and a 335 knockoff that is a really fun little guitar.

My bass player has one of the top-of-the-line LP knockoffs. Easily as good as an Epiphone.

When you bought your JT guitars, did you pick and choose from many examples, or did you just find that you liked all or many of the JT guitars you played?

[EvLectric]

I have played 1 or 2 that were pretty good, an SG that needed the bridge reset so it would intonate but besides that okay, and a beatle bass that was marginally okay. All of the others I've played, about 15 - 20, were absolute rubbish. Rubbish like give to the dog as a chew toy rubbish.
But there's probably lead in the paint, so...
Not a good track record.
I only owned the bass, & I felt lucky to get a $100 bucks for it.

[River]

Originally Posted by Annoying Twit

When you bought your JT guitars, did you pick and choose from many examples, or did you just find that you liked all or many of the JT guitars you played?

I can just see Stranger spending a day or two, picking through racks and racks of 'em. "Gotta find that perfect Turser - I know it's in here somewhere!"

[DADGAD]

Originally Posted by AngryHatter

+1
They are absolute garbage.
They ARE Chinese knockoffs.

I had an Turser SG that I paid $180. I sold it for $140 three months later.
The tuners began to corrode in a month (the gold plating wore and developed blisters), the pickups were microphonic, the wood was balsa, poorly chosen (had a knot), painted and finished (thick in spots), the neck was warped, the frets uneven...

I was at a local music store and tried took a good look at one and it just felt cheap and bad. Retail was $329 and it was on sale for $129. Wasn't even worth it. Frets, finish, tuners, cavity covers etc..... just not good. I would rather spend a little more money on a good Epi.

[Annoying Twit]

Originally Posted by River

I can just see Stranger spending a day or two, picking through racks and racks of 'em. "Gotta find that perfect Turser - I know it's in here somewhere!"

I don't know what you get out of trying to make "something" out of perfectly normal and reasonable bits of discussion. On the "Other Gibsons" forum you tried to do the same thing when I posted about a Gibson model I'd never seen before. As if there's something wrong about coming across a model of Gibson I've never seen before and asking about it on the "Other Gibsons" forum.

Maybe if you spent more time in guitar shops rather than just trying (and failing miserably) to be "big man on the forum" you'd find that shops quite often have 5-6, or more examples of a particular model. And that if you play all of them, particularly budget models, you might find one that plays better than the others.

You've got 24,000 posts on this forum. Has the number of your posts where you aren't just being a d*ckh**d reached double figures yet?

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