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Unread 01-19-2012, 06:07 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

You'll pay twice that in chiropractor bills.

My HS band, we had a short singer that could pull off AC/DC pretty well. Dave something or other. Anyway, he was maybe 5 foot tall and had one of those guitars. Complained about the girth all the time. Another bass player friend at the time had to bass version-beasts...but both sounded pretty good.
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

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Where to start? I'll respond to each of your points one at a time
- You're wrong
- You're partly wrong (1980, 81 are "vintage", by definition)
- You're wrong
- You're right (if by "cheap", you mean "inexpensive")
- You're wrong
Stop, you're making me cry.

The thing is, I grew up in the 70's/80's, they were my formative years.
I've played more Peavey equipment than is good for any human being, so I have a pretty thorough first-hand experience with it.

It may be "vintage" by definition, but it's crap by construction/design.

They were, in most cases, the first guitar/amp you got rid of to get quality gear.

I am routinely entertained by people too young to remember, who seem to think that there wasn't crap made back then and something is good just because it is old.
Or who think that Pabst Blue Ribbon beer is actually good.

No, I mean "cheap" as in "not very well made" or in Hartley Peavey's case, "oddly made to withstand acts of nature, but not sound as good as the cheapest Fender product".
Those "vintage" Peavey's had an interesting circuit design, I'll give you that much, but the guitars themselves were the equivalent of a Ford pickup truck.

The only thing Peavey guitars were useful for was defending yourself if a bar fight broke out.

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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

I played in a band with a guy that had a T-60 back in the early 80s and it sounded really nice. He could get a ton of tones out of it. I also seem to recall it weighed something like 12 lbs.

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I played in a band with a guy that had a T-60 back in the early 80s and it sounded really nice. He could get a ton of tones out of it. I also seem to recall it weighed something like 12 lbs.

My two cents
I just got a MIM Tele and it is heavy. I mostly sit when I play so balance is also key. If I find a heavenly tone in a guitar or amp I try to keep it rather than sell it to make a couple of bucks.

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I have played a few of them and after playing Les Paul's they never seemed heavy, they are built strong, a durable work horse guitar.
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No, I mean "cheap" as in "not very well made" or in Hartley Peavey's case, "oddly made to withstand acts of nature, but not sound as good as the cheapest Fender product".
You've rebutted your own point with this admission of the subjectivity of the matter. Some folks like coffee, some like tea.
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You've rebutted your own point with this admission of the subjectivity of the matter. Some folks like coffee, some like tea.
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You've rebutted your own point with this admission of the subjectivity of the matter. Some folks like coffee, some like tea.
Chase your tail much?

Point to where I said anything about objectivity.

The fact of the matter is that Hartely Peavey was trying to make a cheap, workable guitar. The other fact of the matter is that he only just barely succeeded.
The fact that much of Peavey's guitar manufacturing is off-shore is not an accident.

You guys can fetishize all of the crappy "vintage" gear you want.
I won't stop you.
But that doesn't make it not crap.

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Or do you doggy-hump everyone like this?

Obviously I've touched a nerve so I'll leave you two alone.

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Chase your tail much?

Point to where I said anything about objectivity.

The fact of the matter is that Hartely Peavey was trying to make a cheap, workable guitar. The other fact of the matter is that he only just barely succeeded.
The fact that much of Peavey's guitar manufacturing is off-shore is not an accident.

You guys can fetishize all of the crappy "vintage" gear you want.
I won't stop you.
But that doesn't make it not crap.


Are you two as close in real life as you seem here?
Or do you doggy-hump everyone like this?

Obviously I've touched a nerve so I'll leave you two alone.

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Chase your tail much?

Point to where I said anything about objectivity.

The fact of the matter is that Hartely Peavey was trying to make a cheap, workable guitar. The other fact of the matter is that he only just barely succeeded.
The fact that much of Peavey's guitar manufacturing is off-shore is not an accident.

You guys can fetishize all of the crappy "vintage" gear you want.
I won't stop you.
But that doesn't make it not crap.
Why are you so sore about it? All I did is point out that your opinion is your opinion. Mine is mine. I like my opinion, and reject yours, just as you like yours and reject mine.


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Why the butthurt, Lloyd? Aren't we just shooting the breeze?

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Not at all. After all, I'm not slinging the insults.

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At least this conversation hasn't been a total loss. I've learned one more member who gets insulting when his opinion isn't shared.

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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

I picked up a T-25 last summer at a rummage sale for $80. It's a fun knock around guitar. the tone circuit is quite interesting, with the treble boost that can go past shrill in a heart beat. Also I would dump the original bridge. As far as weight goes it's,super light, wouldn't weigh 6 lbs if I put 10 lbs of lead into it. Plus not everybody has one. Pick it up for the hell of it. Did I mention it's fun to play?
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

I bought my brother an 80's t60 tobacco burst like the one on the right, in '95 for $350 plus the original case (it was in excellent shape). He gig'd with it for about 5 years. It does weigh a ton, but it is very cool.

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I picked up a T-25 last summer at a rummage sale for $80. It's a fun knock around guitar. the tone circuit is quite interesting, with the treble boost that can go past shrill in a heart beat. Also I would dump the original bridge. As far as weight goes it's,super light, wouldn't weigh 6 lbs if I put 10 lbs of lead into it. Plus not everybody has one. Pick it up for the hell of it. Did I mention it's fun to play?
The T-25's were smaller then the T-60's and cheaper--kind of like a Mustang to a Strat.

I did consider a T-60 years ago when I got my Iceman--one store had a couple of used ones for a good price.

I don't remember exactly why I decided they weren't for me, but that doesn't mean they were bad guitars.

Too often I think we call a guitar a bad one if it isn't the type of guitar we like--as opposed to saying--they're good guitars, but not for me...
(For example--I know that there are a lot of Tele & Firebird fans out there--including on this site, but they aren't my style of guitar--I find them uncomfortable to hold)

So maybe a T-60 suits you ,maybe it doesn't--but they are more than decent guitars. I'm glad I waited when I had the chance to buy one, and I got my Iceman later--but for some people a T-60 would be a better choice.

So I'm sticking with what I posted earlier:

If:
-it's in good shape
-it works
-you like playing it
-you like the sound
-you have $300 to spend on a guitar

Then I'd say it's a great deal--I'd go for it...

and I'll add--if any of those are not true--then don't get it.
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

IMO....it's a beginner's guitar. My pal got one when he was 12.

It SUCKED. Hard. Heavy, craaaappy pickups, bad fretwork, a total POS.

I've never picked up one that I thought was any good. FWIW, I'm not against 'cheap' guitars at all....just crummy ones.

YMMV...but mine didn't.
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

They sell online for around $600...buy it. I have a T15 and a T 25, and they are WAY WAY underrated and versatile guitars, US made and high quality. They have a tile neck feature and they are very adjustable...most neck problems can be adjusted out. They are a little heavy because the bodies are solid ash...they also resonate well.
The necks of all Peaveys of that period are super...very well shaped and solid...even the cheap Chinese Peavey I got for $40 had a great neck.

Carl Perkins played, endorsed and recorded with T60's and T 25's...after his death, one of his T 60's was left to George Harrison.


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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

Mr. Peavey's idea of creating a cheap workable guitar could easily be compared to Mr. Fender's thinking when he created the Telecaster. I don't hear people bringing up that as being a problem.
My 1979 natural ash bodied T-60 is not cheap in any aspect. If fact, when you consider that it takes removing almost 30 screws to lift the pickguard, and that unique tone control, the guitar was actually (quality wise) comparable to anything on the market at that time. It just had the wrong name on the headstock. And, it weighed more than I did back then.
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This is clearly a big part of it.
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

I went and checked it out today. The guitar is unplayable action way high. The neck does not fit in the pocket flush due to a rubber shim. They are asking 350. for it but for this one more like $200. It is road worn a bit also. No deal.
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Stop, you're making me cry.

The thing is, I grew up in the 70's/80's, they were my formative years.
I've played more Peavey equipment than is good for any human being, so I have a pretty thorough first-hand experience with it.

It may be "vintage" by definition, but it's crap by construction/design.

They were, in most cases, the first guitar/amp you got rid of to get quality gear.

I am routinely entertained by people too young to remember, who seem to think that there wasn't crap made back then and something is good just because it is old.
Or who think that Pabst Blue Ribbon beer is actually good.

No, I mean "cheap" as in "not very well made" or in Hartley Peavey's case, "oddly made to withstand acts of nature, but not sound as good as the cheapest Fender product".
Those "vintage" Peavey's had an interesting circuit design, I'll give you that much, but the guitars themselves were the equivalent of a Ford pickup truck.

The only thing Peavey guitars were useful for was defending yourself if a bar fight broke out.


Ouch... rapier wit attack!!!
How will I go on??
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Seriously... "vintage" my happy ass.
You're delusional.
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Re: Peavey T-60 in a pawn shop. Worth $300?

Looks like I walked into this thread late. I can't believe nobody mentioned that Chip Todd (designer of Peavey's T-series guitars, and the CNC machines that built them) was hired by Fender in the 1980's to oversee their quality control. Surely, the quality and price of the T-60 got Fender's attention. I do agree that most of Peavey's solid-state amps from that era sounded pretty lousy, but built to withstand a nuclear bomb.

Sounds like Mule Train made the right choice. $300 is a fair price for a T-60, IF it's in good playable condition AND has a case. The natural body/maple neck ones sell on Ebay all the time for around $300. Sunburst finishes and/or rosewood necks usually go for a bit more.

The T-60 was my first "real" electric guitar. I had it for nearly 20 years, but opted to trade it in for an acoustic instead of paying to have the frets leveled and re-crowned. Very versatile, well-made, and the most comfortable 25.5" neck I've ever played. I hope to buy another some day.
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Damn. I had a hard time noticing the guitar in that ebay listing.

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Did it come with the lady?
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(Re: That pawnshop Peavey T60. I have little doubt that guitar is just adjusted totally wrong and could be put into good playing condition in about an hour or so...People never bothered to read the owner's manual before "fixing" those 3 old Peaveys, and screwed them up considerably in the process. It might be a steal for someone who can use simple hand tools and downloads the manual.)

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No, no, hell no.

The 80's are not "vintage". At least not in a good way.

Most of that stuff is crap.

Peavey is solid but cheap.
90% of the stuff coming out of S. Korea these days is miles better.
Peavey stuff from the 70's and early 80's are good, solid American made guitars.

I'd say $300 is near the top of the price range for a natural T-60 unless it's perfect. If you like it, you might shoot them an offer. Personally, I love my T-60. Make sure you check out the neck before you decide. Lots of people don't like the uber-thin neck.

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