Seriously people, is it that difficult?! - Page 2

Thumpalumpacus · 03-19-2011, 07:23 PM

That's some sweet shit, 76 Custom. When you do the lydian lick at the end of "Overture", how are you fretting it? Can you link a tab? Your version is more accurate than mine.

zontar · 03-19-2011, 07:51 PM

It is difficult, if you don't have the best stuff to record with--I do hope to get something better, but for now it would be recording via my iPod--which is cool, but not necessarily the best.
SO who knows--maybe one day.

zslane · 03-19-2011, 08:26 PM

If you have a computer then you don't need much more to make simple recordings. A good audio interface is the most important component (I have an M-Audio FastTrack Ultra which is a terrific mid-range unit).

If you have a PC you can pick up Reaper for $40 and have a studio-grade DAW at your disposal. If you have a Mac you have GarageBand which is free. The trick is amplification. If you are using a physical amp, then you have to mic it, which is a bit of an art in itself. But even that's not too hard.

I prefer going the all virtual route. No physical amps for me anymore. I either use AmpliTube as a DAW plugin, or feed the output of my Axe-FX into the audio interface and let it do all the work. Either way I get perfect tone and I don't have to worry about crappy room acoustics, bad mic placement, volume compromises, etc.

Unfortunately, I have perfect gear, and now the weakest link is my playing ability. No more blaming the equipment and no more excuses...

zontar · 03-19-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zslane

the weakest link is my playing ability.

Mine too.

76Custom · 03-20-2011, 10:11 AM

Thanks Thump. I don't know the difference between Lydian, Refridgian, or Margorine! I picked it up by ear. At this point it's mostly muscle memory. If I get a chance I'll try to figure out how that lead goes. I'm terrible at describing musical terminology, though.

Thumpalumpacus · 03-20-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 76Custom

Thanks Thump. I don't know the difference between Lydian, Refridgian, or Margorine! I picked it up by ear. At this point it's mostly muscle memory. If I get a chance I'll try to figure out how that lead goes. I'm terrible at describing musical terminology, though.

It's the little 4-note lead right before the c/g/d/c/g/d/e power chords. Your version sounds much more accurate than mine, and looks a little easier too.

Kezia · 03-20-2011, 07:10 PM

I'm not very confident in my playing skills and I can't stand having to watch footage of myself cause I only notice my mistakes. This is the few stuff I have posted...

YouTube - Random Flying V Shredding! :D

YouTube - Bohemian Rhapsody Solo

YouTube - Crazy Train Guitar Cover

YouTube - Detroit Rock City

YouTube - Diamonds and Rust

pmonk · 03-20-2011, 08:16 PM

So, you want hear a recording of people playing a $3500 guitar into a $15 mic going into a crap sound card on a PC?

Sinster · 03-20-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonk

So, you want hear a recording of people playing a $3500 guitar into a $15 mic going into a crap sound card on a PC?

bertzie · 03-20-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonk

So, you want hear a recording of people playing a $3500 guitar into a $15 mic going into a crap sound card on a PC?

Well, being unable to travel to every forum members home to hear their live sound, I'm willing to settle.

Joeydego · 03-20-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Custom

JoeyDego ROCKS. Loving the Brad Gillis-esque wammy bar manipulations. When I use a trem I sound like a wanker.

Can that be done on a Kahler or is that Floyd only territory?

Thanks, brother. That kind of stuff can be done on any floating trem, really. Some of my "licensed by floyd rose" trems are better than my original floyds. The whole thing to getting the trem to sound good is practicing target notes. I practice half step, whole step and one and a half step bends.

deepblue · 03-21-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonk

So, you want hear a recording of people playing a $3500 guitar into a $15 mic going into a crap sound card on a PC?

I plug the computer into my home stereo system. Some of the clips you guys post sound amazing! ...so not everyone uses their computer speakers.

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Uh, lots of people. That's why they pay more money for bound bodies, flamed tops, etc. etc.
There's a whole lot more that goes into your tone than just the guitar.

Les Paul said it best....."People hear with their eyes."

zontar · 03-21-2011, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmonk

So, you want hear a recording of people playing a $3500 guitar into a $15 mic going into a crap sound card on a PC?

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Originally Posted by bertzie

Well, being unable to travel to every forum members home to hear their live sound, I'm willing to settle.

Hmm, there is some give & take there, but sound quality is a consideration.

pmonk · 03-21-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deepblue

I plug the computer into my home stereo system. Some of the clips you guys post sound amazing! ...so not everyone uses their computer speakers.
"

I not talking about the speakers. Cheap mics or internal mics on video cameras which 99% people use when recording will not even come close to allowing you to her the sound. They can't capture the high and low frequencies that a Schoeps MK4 high end would.

If you had the chance to play a 1959 Les Paul, would you want to play it thru a Ibanez IBZ-10 Tone Blaster Amp or a Fender '57 Twin-Amp Combo Guitar Amp?

The answer is no - so why when it comes to recording a $3000 guitar thru a $1500 amp would a cheap mic be sufficient?

Signed,

Schoeps MK4 > CMC-6 > HYDRA stereo XLR cables > Oade M248 > HYDRA stereo Unbalanced RCA->XLR cables > Sound Device 702

antz · 03-22-2011, 04:54 AM

I dont post vids of myself because Im terrible ay playing and extremely self concious. I evens truggle to play in front of my teacher. I prefer to suck up the info and go home and play where no one can hear me.

But when I have recorded myself in the past I used the basic video function on my Sony Ericsson W995 phone and uploaded it direct to my PC, then to youtube and linked it. job done.

zslane · 03-22-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonk

Cheap mics or internal mics on video cameras which 99% people use when recording will not even come close to allowing you to her the sound.

Absolutely true.

I don't think it is much of a mystery why people create videos (or sound clips) like that though. They are limited by available equipment, knowledge (of good recording techniques), and interest in doing it right, all of which appear to be minimal in most cases. What is more of a mystery to me is why anyone would make any kind of tone judgements based on such videos. I mean, presumably the request for sound clips comes from a desire to hear and celebrate the Awesome Tonez!

Knowing that 99% of videos/sound clips would be like that, maybe it's better that we don't ask more folks to do so, and encourage them to limit themselves to just posting mediocre photos instead.

pmonk · 03-22-2011, 02:20 PM

So I guess I am in the minority whose recording equipment costs more than my guitar and amp

LeftyF2003 · 03-22-2011, 02:47 PM

Here's my Les Paul

Here's a tune I recorded with it with a friend of mine named Colin Mitchell in the UK

http://lakesideconsult.com/file_upload/Mixes/This_Time_Round.mp3

If you hang in with it there's lots of guitar at the end. May not be your cup of tea, but there you go

Freddy G · 03-22-2011, 03:04 PM

Lefty2003,
That is awesome! very very nice

Freddy G · 03-22-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonk

So I guess I am in the minority whose recording equipment costs more than my guitar and amp

I'm with you brother...

Freddy G · 03-22-2011, 03:41 PM

OK here's my contribution. This was recorded live off the floor in 1998. I had a band with my younger brother Joe. We were doing preproduction for this tune, that's why we recorded it live...all of us in the same room playing, no overdubs.
We had planned to rehearse it until we were ready to record it for real (we were recording the band's debut CD at the time). Anyway, right after we did this preproduction recording my bro Joe was killed in a car accident, so it never did get recorded properly, in fact I hung up the guitar for years after that and have only lately started to need to play again. There is something that haunts me whenever I hear this track. I'm playing a black '76 Les Paul custom into a Hiwatt amp. It's panned mostly to the left (and I took the solos). My bro Joe sang and played his strat strung really, really heavy guage like SRV (panned mostly right). I think it's time for this tune to be finally heard.

Perpetual Motion

LeftyF2003 · 03-22-2011, 04:12 PM

Thank you! Glad you liked it. I like yours as well. Nice guitar sounds. Cool song - reminds me of some early Todd Rungren. really strong chorus.

bertzie · 03-22-2011, 05:05 PM

Something that's been kinda picking at my mind on this. If you're buying a 3500$ guitar, you're probably playing it through a 1000$ or more amp. Now, if you're spending 4500$+ on a guitar rig, why wouldn't you have a good way to record it?

Seems kinda silly if ya ask me.

LeftyF2003 · 03-22-2011, 06:20 PM

These days if you have a computer and a half decent audio device you already have the bones of a nice recording rig. Add Garage Band on a MAC or REAPER on a PC and a decent mic and you've got enough to record your guitar.

Dave1968 · 03-22-2011, 06:45 PM

Ok I'll play. A Youtube vid for the Charvel i sold. I got alot of requests to play Van Halen.

My only excuses was a dodgy high 'G' string and my time keeping. Just doodling. Like or dislike doesn't bother me. Thanks

Btw, I'm back on the 'Metranome' now, I'm more controlled and focused on that gear!! There are no real substitutes for the real thing!!

YouTube - Charvel Model 2 For Sale.wmv

GitFiddle · 03-22-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hbucker

Agreed. As soon as someone posts something that isn't played like a pro, some ass-clown will say something like, "You suck!" and "How about some pictures!!!"

This thread seems like proof that you can't please everyone all the time.

There is no right or wrong way to do it, IMO. We all share a similar hobby that revolves around guitars. I say let people bring what they want to the forum and the rest of us can just sit back and appreciate whatever that is.

To be honest, I can't recall any thread with a sound clip that someone told them they sucked. I have seen that many times in other forums but honestly I don't think most of the people here are that tasteless.

GitFiddle · 03-22-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave1968

Ok I'll play. A Youtube vid for the Charvel i sold. I got alot of requests to play Van Halen.

My only excuses was a dodgy high 'G' string and my time keeping. Just doodling. Like or dislike doesn't bother me. Thanks

Btw, I'm back on the 'Metranome' now, I'm more controlled and focused on that gear!! There are no real substitutes for the real thing!!

YouTube - Charvel Model 2 For Sale.wmv

Most excellent!

I listened all the way through. You got some chops.

Montrose · 03-22-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EEF13

Not everybody feels comfortable posting clips of how they play or don't have anything to record with.

Agreed. The last thing I would want is to spend a few hours playing, recording, and editing, then posting it, and some basement nerd telling me I need a haircut and "ZEPPELEIN RULESZZ!!1!" (real quote)

I think there would be a lot more clips of amps, guitars, and other musical instruments, if the YouTube community wouldn't post "Lol n00b" or "Bad vibrato" on every single video.

If people were a little more respectful, and actually understood that the video was about how guitar A sounds with amp B, there would be a ton of people out there posting. Most of those "keyboard warrior" bullies apparently can't read, as the title of almost all video's doesn't say "My playing is the best ever, but feel free to criticize!"

76Custom · 03-22-2011, 10:53 PM

Lefty - I could hear some Steely Dan vibe in that one. Good job.

bertzie · 03-23-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Montrose

Agreed. The last thing I would want is to spend a few hours playing, recording, and editing, then posting it, and some basement nerd telling me I need a haircut and "ZEPPELEIN RULESZZ!!1!" (real quote)

I think there would be a lot more clips of amps, guitars, and other musical instruments, if the YouTube community wouldn't post "Lol n00b" or "Bad vibrato" on every single video.

If people were a little more respectful, and actually understood that the video was about how guitar A sounds with amp B, there would be a ton of people out there posting. Most of those "keyboard warrior" bullies apparently can't read, as the title of almost all video's doesn't say "My playing is the best ever, but feel free to criticize!"

There's bullies in every aspect of life, can't let them hold you back! Especially if you wanna be a rockstar! Even the best guitarists in the world get insulted by the common fraun. It's the will to overcome it that gives them true strength.

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zslane Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,759 Thanks: 5 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! If you have a computer then you don't need much more to make simple recordings. A good audio interface is the most important component (I have an M-Audio FastTrack Ultra which is a terrific mid-range unit). If you have a PC you can pick up Reaper for $40 and have a studio-grade DAW at your disposal. If you have a Mac you have GarageBand which is free. The trick is amplification. If you are using a physical amp, then you have to mic it, which is a bit of an art in itself. But even that's not too hard. I prefer going the all virtual route. No physical amps for me anymore. I either use AmpliTube as a DAW plugin, or feed the output of my Axe-FX into the audio interface and let it do all the work. Either way I get perfect tone and I don't have to worry about crappy room acoustics, bad mic placement, volume compromises, etc. Unfortunately, I have perfect gear, and now the weakest link is my playing ability. No more blaming the equipment and no more excuses... __________________ Les Paul Standards: 1999 Ebony, 2005 CR7 Goldtop, 2008 VOS R8 Tobacco Sunburst Les Paul Customs: 1993 Transparent Black (over flame maple top), 2004 Alpine White Other Gibsons: 2012 50th Anniversary "Standard 24" SG, 2005 SG '61 Re-issue, 2002 ES-333 Click here for the full-size group photo.

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76Custom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,082 Thanks: 18 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! Thanks Thump. I don't know the difference between Lydian, Refridgian, or Margorine! I picked it up by ear. At this point it's mostly muscle memory. If I get a chance I'll try to figure out how that lead goes. I'm terrible at describing musical terminology, though.

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antz Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scarborough U.K Posts: 689 Thanks: 28 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! I dont post vids of myself because Im terrible ay playing and extremely self concious. I evens truggle to play in front of my teacher. I prefer to suck up the info and go home and play where no one can hear me. But when I have recorded myself in the past I used the basic video function on my Sony Ericsson W995 phone and uploaded it direct to my PC, then to youtube and linked it. job done. __________________ 1997 Epiphone Les Paul Junior (P90) 2009 Gibson SG Special Faded 2001 Fender Tom Delonge Strat Black Vintage VS6 Pre-Wilkinson 2010 Homebuilt Tom Delonge Strat 1996 Squier Strat 50th Anniversary (Beater & Test Mule) 2007 Squier Bullet Strat Vox Night Train Head & Cab Boss GT-10 Multi Effect Pedal

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LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! Here's my Les Paul Here's a tune I recorded with it with a friend of mine named Colin Mitchell in the UK http://lakesideconsult.com/file_upload/Mixes/This_Time_Round.mp3 If you hang in with it there's lots of guitar at the end. May not be your cup of tea, but there you go Freddy G and 76Custom like this.

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Freddy G V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Canada Posts: 3,798 Thanks: 76 Thanked 660 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! OK here's my contribution. This was recorded live off the floor in 1998. I had a band with my younger brother Joe. We were doing preproduction for this tune, that's why we recorded it live...all of us in the same room playing, no overdubs. We had planned to rehearse it until we were ready to record it for real (we were recording the band's debut CD at the time). Anyway, right after we did this preproduction recording my bro Joe was killed in a car accident, so it never did get recorded properly, in fact I hung up the guitar for years after that and have only lately started to need to play again. There is something that haunts me whenever I hear this track. I'm playing a black '76 Les Paul custom into a Hiwatt amp. It's panned mostly to the left (and I took the solos). My bro Joe sang and played his strat strung really, really heavy guage like SRV (panned mostly right). I think it's time for this tune to be finally heard. Perpetual Motion 76Custom and LeftyF2003 like this. __________________ blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah. BLAH?! Blah BLAH BLAH???!! A.Lifeson

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LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! Thank you! Glad you liked it. I like yours as well. Nice guitar sounds. Cool song - reminds me of some early Todd Rungren. really strong chorus.

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bertzie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,432 Thanks: 3 Thanked 231 Times in 84 Posts	Re: Seriously people, is it that difficult?! Something that's been kinda picking at my mind on this. If you're buying a 3500$ guitar, you're probably playing it through a 1000$ or more amp. Now, if you're spending 4500$+ on a guitar rig, why wouldn't you have a good way to record it? Seems kinda silly if ya ask me.

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