Help! Possible ngd need advice

IndySouthPaw · 04-26-2012, 10:11 PM

I am exclusively a Les Paul Player. I have a few strats but don't know how to play them (set them in tonally in a larger rig). I am soooooo into Derek Trucks and was looking at SGs. I do about 90% lead guitar work so having access to higher frets is a big advantage and would be nice to have in my arsenal. I know SGs are not super expensive compared to LPs and I was thinking about getting a custom shop one until I saw this..... eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices
What do you guys think? Honest opinions please. I would offer $1,700 and see how it goes. No comments on the color hahaha. I actually dig it big time. I am looking for specifics about this year, playability, pups, neck profile, etc. Do you think it would be worth it if I got it for $1,800 to $2,000? Or would it make more sense to get a brand new custom shop SG? THANKS!!

IndySouthPaw · 04-26-2012, 10:32 PM

BTW: The serial number is: 00149664

frizzleblink · 04-26-2012, 11:02 PM

I would go play it first...

pinefd · 04-26-2012, 11:04 PM

I can't really comment on the price, but if I were a lefty, I'd be all over that one!

EvLectric · 04-26-2012, 11:06 PM

As far as getting you into Derek territory, nah, you could get closer, but it's a sweet guitar. I'd hit it right handed!

I'd get a used 61 reissue with 57's for Derek. Basically what he's using anyway.
I really do like this one though.

BlackDog81 · 04-26-2012, 11:08 PM

Just get a SG standard. Oh yeah,.. and send me those Strats your not using.

IndySouthPaw · 04-27-2012, 08:59 AM

Hahaha I use them at home and will teach myself soon to set them up in a bigger rig. I need to mark all of my settings for each guitar on my amp. Anyways, what's the tonal difference between a 61' reissue and this one. I always put new pups in everything so if that is the issue it's a non-issue. I bet these originals sound pretty good though

geddyleefan · 04-29-2012, 09:55 PM

the 61 RI has a neck joint at the 22 fret and the 76 looks like a 19 fret neck joint. They both have pretty good reachability (my word for a guitar neck that you can move up and down the neck) so I can't say that they're bad. The only minor concern is if you're not a big fan of smaller necks SOME of those 70s SGs had Tele like neck sizes. But don't let that scare you off

KRaZeE · 04-29-2012, 10:58 PM

$18-2000? Definitely worth it if you can get them down to that price.

Larry Mal · 04-30-2012, 01:20 PM

I have to say I'm not liking the looks of that bridge. Wasn't '76 the iffy Norlin era with Gibson? That bridge looks like a fairly poor design, especially if it's screwed onto the top of the guitar like it looks like. I know that Norlin guitars can be great and are said to often be skippable meaning that one has to try them before one commits, which is also making me hesitant about this guitar.

I should mention I'm not expert on Gibson history or SG's (although I did own one). I'm just thinking, since you are looking for a guitar to play live, why would you be looking at a vintage guitar from an uncertain era as opposed to a new one?

I think the '61 reissue he used might make more sense:

Derek Trucks Guitar Gear Rig and Equipment

Just my two cents.

IndySouthPaw · 04-30-2012, 01:45 PM

Thanks for the input Larry. The seller does say its a nice playing guitar and the neck "isn't a full on baseball bat neck like the 58's (LPs) but definitely on the larger 50s profile side." This is a big plus for me. I want as SG with a 50s neck. I know Derek plays a slimmer 60s profile, neck but 50s would be perfect for me. I just asked the seller about intonation, harmonics, etc so I will have to see what he says. As far as why do I want to gig with an old guitar...All of my old guitars keep on taking a beating and lasting. I have had lots of little things going wrong on my newer Gibsons. I always have to replace switches, pups, harnesses, etc because the stock ones suck. You bring up a great point about the bridge though. I will look into that for sure!

MrGansburg · 04-30-2012, 02:34 PM

Isn't the bridge know as a harmonica style? They were apparently big in the 70s.

theNARDdog9 · 04-30-2012, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGansburg

Isn't the bridge know as a harmonica style? They were apparently big in the 70s.

+1 I believe that is correct

IndySouthPaw · 04-30-2012, 05:38 PM

Zappa rules!!!!!!!!! They do not make people like him anymore. What a wacky and wonderful soul

KRaZeE · 05-03-2012, 04:58 AM

Yes, it's a typical 70s harmonica bridge. Nothing wrong with it at all.

IndySouthPaw · 05-03-2012, 04:27 PM

I didn't notice but look at all of his additional switches and knob. Wonder what they all did? Maybe a phase and preamp boost.....??? Very cool

Smash88 · 05-03-2012, 04:38 PM

You might not want to replace those pups, those are tar backs and they are pretty killer sounding...give em a shot before you pull em

strat · 05-03-2012, 04:42 PM

It looks wrong to me.One of the points is higher than the other. Looks like the neck joint is splitting away too. 5 screws on the control cavity. I don't think that right. And also, as a standard, shouldn't the inlays be trapizoid?

IndySouthPaw · 05-03-2012, 05:05 PM

Yeah I noticed the chips on the neck joint but didn't know what to make of it. About the inlays, the Norlan's were pretty inconsistent and they used different parts and materials in their guitars. I am not worried about that too much. The neck joint is worrisome. FYI everyone, I offered $1500 and got a no thank you. I have since offered $2,000 shipped and they said 'I would love to help you but we just don't have that kind of wiggle room in our guitars." Sounds like he is trying pretty hard. I think $2K is a fair price for both of us. I will offer it up again on the last day. I just don't think he is going to sell it at his price. I would buy a much newer one with a 50s neck if I could ever find one in a lefty!

GenderFibson · 05-03-2012, 06:05 PM

One day you will find yourself not playing like Derek Trucks.
Then you'll begin to wonder if it is due to the lack of an abr-1 bridge and most importantly, the lyre tailpiece aka the mojo

A few months ago I came across with a 03 SG '61 reissue with an abr-1 bridge and it sounded magnificent. But it had a neck repair so I didn't pull the trigger. Now I really miss its gorgeous tone

and damn, a dream to look like Derek Trucks (LOL)

For me, I would prefer a '62 VOS but if the '76 sounds good to you, I'd say grab it

IndySouthPaw · 05-03-2012, 07:08 PM

His sig model is pretty cool too I didn't know he had one BUT I would like a little thicker neck.....AND I WILL sound like him and Sonny Landreth all rolled into one! No Problem! hahahahaha

strat · 05-04-2012, 09:07 AM

I really do think take a pass on this one.

IndySouthPaw · 05-04-2012, 11:39 AM

This might be the answer to my problem.... Would you all feel more comfortable with this?

Used Left Handed Gibson '61 S.G. Les Paul Custom Shop Rare TV Yellow Reissue LP | eBay

GenderFibson · 05-04-2012, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySouthPaw

This might be the answer to my problem.... Would you all feel more comfortable with this?

Used Left Handed Gibson '61 S.G. Les Paul Custom Shop Rare TV Yellow Reissue LP | eBay

I think it looks superb

2007 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul SG Part1 - YouTube

MrGansburg · 05-04-2012, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySouthPaw

I didn't notice but look at all of his additional switches and knob. Wonder what they all did? Maybe a phase and preamp boost.....??? Very cool

Read my post here but basically it had an on-board 3-band Parametric eq & pre-amp system, Coil tapping on both pickups, Out of phase function and a Dan Armstrong “Green ringer” - all built in.

IndySouthPaw · 05-04-2012, 03:35 PM

Thanks for that Zappa post!!! Very helpful and cool. That is a lot of on board flexibility. He is a mad scientist of tone!

That video of the yellow SG is pretty nice. I might have to pull the trigger on it. I hope I can get it for $2,000

IndySouthPaw · 05-08-2012, 03:10 PM

That custom shop SG is still sitting so I think I will make an offer of $2,000 shipped. Think that is a fair price? Here is the link again. Used Left Handed Gibson '61 S.G. Les Paul Custom Shop Rare TV Yellow Reissue LP | eBay

geddyleefan · 05-10-2012, 01:27 AM

That SG was built for Zappa by some guy in Arizona, it had phase switches, coil split and a few other odd things. I'm surprise Gibson hasn't hopped onboard with making a Zappa SG sig

MrGansburg · 05-10-2012, 03:00 AM

Both already stated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by geddyleefan

That SG was built for Zappa by some guy in Arizona, it had phase switches, coil split and a few other odd things.

Help! Possible ngd need advice

Quote:

Originally Posted by geddyleefan

I'm surprise Gibson hasn't hopped onboard with making a Zappa SG sig

Frank Zappa Sig SG

04-26-2012, 10:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Help! Possible ngd need advice I am exclusively a Les Paul Player. I have a few strats but don't know how to play them (set them in tonally in a larger rig). I am soooooo into Derek Trucks and was looking at SGs. I do about 90% lead guitar work so having access to higher frets is a big advantage and would be nice to have in my arsenal. I know SGs are not super expensive compared to LPs and I was thinking about getting a custom shop one until I saw this..... eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices What do you guys think? Honest opinions please. I would offer $1,700 and see how it goes. No comments on the color hahaha. I actually dig it big time. I am looking for specifics about this year, playability, pups, neck profile, etc. Do you think it would be worth it if I got it for $1,800 to $2,000? Or would it make more sense to get a brand new custom shop SG? THANKS!!

04-26-2012, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice BTW: The serial number is: 00149664

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EvLectric Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 3,268 Thanks: 168 Thanked 128 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice As far as getting you into Derek territory, nah, you could get closer, but it's a sweet guitar. I'd hit it *right* handed! I'd get a used 61 reissue with 57's for Derek. Basically what he's using anyway. I really do like this one though. __________________ About Ev http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/intr...greetings.html

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04-26-2012, 11:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
BlackDog81 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Just get a SG standard. Oh yeah,.. and send me those Strats your not using. __________________

04-27-2012, 08:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Hahaha I use them at home and will teach myself soon to set them up in a bigger rig. I need to mark all of my settings for each guitar on my amp. Anyways, what's the tonal difference between a 61' reissue and this one. I always put new pups in everything so if that is the issue it's a non-issue. I bet these originals sound pretty good though

04-29-2012, 09:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
geddyleefan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 683 Thanks: 17 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice the 61 RI has a neck joint at the 22 fret and the 76 looks like a 19 fret neck joint. They both have pretty good reachability (my word for a guitar neck that you can move up and down the neck) so I can't say that they're bad. The only minor concern is if you're not a big fan of smaller necks SOME of those 70s SGs had Tele like neck sizes. But don't let that scare you off IndySouthPaw likes this. __________________ '98 Gibson LP Classic '98 Gibson LP Standard (3 pickup) '97 Gibson LP Studio Gem '96 Gibson LP Studio Gem (mini-hb's) '05 Gibson LP Classic Plus '01 Gibson LP Standard '07 Gibson SG Standard '05 Gibson SG Special w/P90s '07 Epiphone SG-caster '08 Gibson DSM-CE '10 Recording King Gospel Songstress '96 Fender Strat MIJ '03 PRS SE EG Marshall JCM900 combo Vox AC100CPH Peavey Royal 8

04-29-2012, 10:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
KRaZeE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 1,024 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice $18-2000? Definitely worth it if you can get them down to that price. __________________ My Gibbos: 8x Epi FB 300 80 LP Pro Deluxe 86 LP Studio Std 87 SG Custom 91 SG Jr 93 SG Spc 94 SG Std 96 Firebird V 98 LP Std 98 Flying V 99 SG-X 01 SG Jr 02 SG Voodoo 03 Epi G-400 Vintage 07 Epi LP Std 08 SG Classic 08 SG Classic 08 Epi Goth T-Bird 10 SG 61 RI 11 SG 60s Trib 11 MM SG 12 SG 70s Trib

04-30-2012, 01:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Larry Mal Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 323 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice I have to say I'm not liking the looks of that bridge. Wasn't '76 the iffy Norlin era with Gibson? That bridge looks like a fairly poor design, especially if it's screwed onto the top of the guitar like it looks like. I know that Norlin guitars can be great and are said to often be skippable meaning that one has to try them before one commits, which is also making me hesitant about this guitar. I should mention I'm not expert on Gibson history or SG's (although I did own one). I'm just thinking, since you are looking for a guitar to play live, why would you be looking at a vintage guitar from an uncertain era as opposed to a new one? I think the '61 reissue he used might make more sense: Derek Trucks Guitar Gear Rig and Equipment Just my two cents. IndySouthPaw likes this.

04-30-2012, 01:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Thanks for the input Larry. The seller does say its a nice playing guitar and the neck "isn't a full on baseball bat neck like the 58's (LPs) but definitely on the larger 50s profile side." This is a big plus for me. I want as SG with a 50s neck. I know Derek plays a slimmer 60s profile, neck but 50s would be perfect for me. I just asked the seller about intonation, harmonics, etc so I will have to see what he says. As far as why do I want to gig with an old guitar...All of my old guitars keep on taking a beating and lasting. I have had lots of little things going wrong on my newer Gibsons. I always have to replace switches, pups, harnesses, etc because the stock ones suck. You bring up a great point about the bridge though. I will look into that for sure!

04-30-2012, 02:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
MrGansburg Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: UK Posts: 832 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Isn't the bridge know as a harmonica style? They were apparently big in the 70s. IndySouthPaw and theNARDdog9 like this. __________________ 2010 MiI Squier Deluxe Strat (Pearl White Metallic) 2009 MiC Vintage V100 (Flamed Iced Tea) 2004 MiJ Epiphone Elitist '61 SG (Faded Cherry) 1997 MiJ Bacchus Live Road BLS-120S (Goldtop) 1982 MiJ Greco EGC68-50 (Ebony) 1980 MiC Kimbara Electro-Acoustic Cutaway (Natural) Zoom G2.1u multi-FX unit Roland Micro Cube Amp

04-30-2012, 05:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Zappa rules!!!!!!!!! They do not make people like him anymore. What a wacky and wonderful soul MrGansburg and ed1996 like this.

05-03-2012, 04:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
KRaZeE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 1,024 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Yes, it's a typical 70s harmonica bridge. Nothing wrong with it at all. __________________ My Gibbos: 8x Epi FB 300 80 LP Pro Deluxe 86 LP Studio Std 87 SG Custom 91 SG Jr 93 SG Spc 94 SG Std 96 Firebird V 98 LP Std 98 Flying V 99 SG-X 01 SG Jr 02 SG Voodoo 03 Epi G-400 Vintage 07 Epi LP Std 08 SG Classic 08 SG Classic 08 Epi Goth T-Bird 10 SG 61 RI 11 SG 60s Trib 11 MM SG 12 SG 70s Trib

05-03-2012, 04:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice I didn't notice but look at all of his additional switches and knob. Wonder what they all did? Maybe a phase and preamp boost.....??? Very cool

05-03-2012, 04:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
Smash88 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New York Posts: 415 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice You might not want to replace those pups, those are tar backs and they are pretty killer sounding...give em a shot before you pull em IndySouthPaw likes this.

05-03-2012, 04:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
strat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Coventry RI Posts: 467 Thanks: 1 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice It looks wrong to me.One of the points is higher than the other. Looks like the neck joint is splitting away too. 5 screws on the control cavity. I don't think that right. And also, as a standard, shouldn't the inlays be trapizoid? __________________ Yeah, I'm an idiot.

05-03-2012, 05:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Yeah I noticed the chips on the neck joint but didn't know what to make of it. About the inlays, the Norlan's were pretty inconsistent and they used different parts and materials in their guitars. I am not worried about that too much. The neck joint is worrisome. FYI everyone, I offered $1500 and got a no thank you. I have since offered $2,000 shipped and they said 'I would love to help you but we just don't have that kind of wiggle room in our guitars." Sounds like he is trying pretty hard. I think $2K is a fair price for both of us. I will offer it up again on the last day. I just don't think he is going to sell it at his price. I would buy a much newer one with a 50s neck if I could ever find one in a lefty!

05-03-2012, 06:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
GenderFibson Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice One day you will find yourself not playing like Derek Trucks. Then you'll begin to wonder if it is due to the lack of an abr-1 bridge and most importantly, the lyre tailpiece aka the mojo A few months ago I came across with a 03 SG '61 reissue with an abr-1 bridge and it sounded magnificent. But it had a neck repair so I didn't pull the trigger. Now I really miss its gorgeous tone and damn, a dream to look like Derek Trucks (LOL) For me, I would prefer a '62 VOS but if the '76 sounds good to you, I'd say grab it __________________ 2012 Black AVRI '62 Strat 2009 Tobacco Burst R8 2008 Faded Cherry Red SG 1962 Reissue w/ Maestro 1974 Cherry Red ES-335 1965 Bandmaster 1977 Super Twin

05-03-2012, 07:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice His sig model is pretty cool too I didn't know he had one BUT I would like a little thicker neck.....AND I WILL sound like him and Sonny Landreth all rolled into one! No Problem! hahahahaha GenderFibson likes this.

05-04-2012, 09:07 AM	#22 (permalink)
strat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Coventry RI Posts: 467 Thanks: 1 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice I really do think take a pass on this one. __________________ Yeah, I'm an idiot.

05-04-2012, 11:39 AM	#23 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice This might be the answer to my problem.... Would you all feel more comfortable with this? Used Left Handed Gibson '61 S.G. Les Paul Custom Shop Rare TV Yellow Reissue LP \| eBay

05-04-2012, 03:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice Thanks for that Zappa post!!! Very helpful and cool. That is a lot of on board flexibility. He is a mad scientist of tone! That video of the yellow SG is pretty nice. I might have to pull the trigger on it. I hope I can get it for $2,000

05-08-2012, 03:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
IndySouthPaw Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice That custom shop SG is still sitting so I think I will make an offer of $2,000 shipped. Think that is a fair price? Here is the link again. Used Left Handed Gibson '61 S.G. Les Paul Custom Shop Rare TV Yellow Reissue LP \| eBay

05-10-2012, 01:27 AM	#28 (permalink)
geddyleefan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 683 Thanks: 17 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Help! Possible ngd need advice That SG was built for Zappa by some guy in Arizona, it had phase switches, coil split and a few other odd things. I'm surprise Gibson hasn't hopped onboard with making a Zappa SG sig __________________ '98 Gibson LP Classic '98 Gibson LP Standard (3 pickup) '97 Gibson LP Studio Gem '96 Gibson LP Studio Gem (mini-hb's) '05 Gibson LP Classic Plus '01 Gibson LP Standard '07 Gibson SG Standard '05 Gibson SG Special w/P90s '07 Epiphone SG-caster '08 Gibson DSM-CE '10 Recording King Gospel Songstress '96 Fender Strat MIJ '03 PRS SE EG Marshall JCM900 combo Vox AC100CPH Peavey Royal 8

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