New SG Juniors

The Refugee · 11-08-2011, 02:10 PM

Yep, yet another post about SGs from me.

Gibson SG Junior '60s (Ebony) | Sweetwater.com

Man, Gibson has been putting out some sweet guitars ever since this whole rosewood scandal.

Trying to keep people on their side maybe?

Dunno, don't care.

Very cool guitar here in my opinion. Only difference are the tuners and the baked maple board. Neither of which I really care about.

Ebony and heritage cherry, looks and sounds good to me

Thoughts?

captain tightpants · 11-08-2011, 02:16 PM

Dig the look of them, I'd like to try one out.

The Refugee · 11-08-2011, 02:39 PM

Much agreed.

I've wanted an early guard Junior for a while. One of these would be killer.

The wraparound is cool. I expected a compensated one or maybe even a TOM bridge, but they kept it as uncompensated wraparound. Good stuff. Might not be vintage accurate (except for the first year I believe) but still cool.

captain tightpants · 11-08-2011, 02:52 PM

Lots of folks up in arms about the baked maple board, but I'm surprisingly indifferent to it. Long as it plays good, I'm OK with it.

Only thing I'm not a fan of is the position of the knobs, but it's not a deal breaker.

The Refugee · 11-08-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by captain tightpants

Lots of folks up in arms about the baked maple board, but I'm surprisingly indifferent to it. Long as it plays good, I'm OK with it.

Only thing I'm not a fan of is the position of the knobs, but it's not a deal breaker.

I'm guessing they were trying to make it easier for people to adjust volume, since they moved that relatively closer to the bridge.

captain tightpants · 11-08-2011, 03:10 PM

Could be, or perhaps it was to more closely emulate a Les Paul Junior position, who knows. Doesn't really matter if it plays good. Visually I just prefer the original location, but this isn't bad either.

Dan · 11-08-2011, 06:48 PM

It sucks they changed the knob position. It seems Gibson always does something to keep things from being perfect.

leftyguitarman · 11-08-2011, 08:21 PM

I totally want one of these things. The only thing I would want to change would be adding a tortoise shell pickguard instead of the black.

your idol · 11-08-2011, 09:22 PM

it just looks "off"
played one 2 days ago...light as hell and its a screamer but the horns and knobs are both off and look like hot mess. not so bad on the black but sticks out like a sore thumb on the cherry

terminalvertigo · 11-08-2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

It sucks they changed the knob position. It seems Gibson always does something to keep things from being perfect.

why do they do this?

just make an exact 1:1 copy of a vintage one, and you'll sell lots.

I would buy one..

I don't see the problem.

icantbuyafender · 11-08-2011, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminalvertigo

why do they do this?

just make an exact 1:1 copy of a vintage one, and you'll sell lots.

I would buy one..

I don't see the problem.

They're slogan should be

"We get you 7/8ths of the way there."

This is also the first time i've seen a SG version of anything cost more than the LP version.

TattooedCarrot · 11-08-2011, 09:53 PM

They had one in Sam Ash yesterday, I don't think that baked maple is gonna work for me, it just doesn't look or feel right. It has kind of a reddish muddy light to medium brown color and the grain feels way to tight/smooth. I was optimistic until I actually saw one in person.

leftyguitarman · 11-09-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TattooedCarrot

It has kind of a reddish muddy light to medium brown color and the grain feels way to tight/smooth.

I saw a pic today of a 50's Trib with humbuckers that has a baked maple board and it was really dark. Looked pretty similar in color to rosewood.

TattooedCarrot · 11-09-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by leftyguitarman

I saw a pic today of a 50's Trib with humbuckers that has a baked maple board and it was really dark. Looked pretty similar in color to rosewood.

Same here, which is why I was open to them, until I saw one in person. IMO you really need to see them to make up your mind.

leftyguitarman · 11-09-2011, 12:41 PM

Here is the stock MF picture of the new SG Junior with baked maple.

Here is a picture of a brand new 50's HB Tribute with baked maple. The color difference is huge and this picture looks good to me.

TattooedCarrot · 11-09-2011, 01:20 PM

I agree on the picture. All I'm suggesting, is that you try and see one in person first. It made a difference for me to see the actual guitar and not just compare pictures. Based on the pictures, I was pretty optimistic they would be fine. After seeing the actual guitar, I changed my mind.

leftyguitarman · 11-09-2011, 01:49 PM

Well I'll have a look next time I'm at a Gibson retailer.

christophervolume · 11-09-2011, 05:23 PM

i think they look pretty cool. how different is the horn bevels from a vintage sg jr?
i'll still try one out, and if i like it i'll buy. always wanted a sg jr with the old school pick gaurd.

gonna throw a tremelo just like one of these on it.

christophervolume · 11-09-2011, 05:50 PM

Guitar Gallery | Sweetwater.com

found lots of better pictures here. the bevels are "off" from a 60s original but i still think it's a great deal on a great looking p90 machine!

TattooedCarrot · 11-09-2011, 06:08 PM

Knobs are off as well. Those pics look good. I'm not against one, I too would love a small guard junior. I would certainly be receptive to checking out others to see if another one was a better one for me.

terminalvertigo · 11-09-2011, 07:48 PM

I just cant get my head around why the always divert from the original designon every "reissue they make"

why not make them like the old ones?

look at fender, you can get a strat or a tele, jag, jm etc pretty much just like the old ones. and they sell well.

Someone went out of their way to move the knobs, it was a decision made for some reason.

Its not as if they are worried about people relicing them and selling them as old, or even cutting into the vintage market for them.

i dont get it.

Jeremiah · 11-09-2011, 07:49 PM

Up until a few days ago, I thought this was a Sam Ash exclusive, now that I know I can buy from Sweetwater, my mind (and wallet) are opening up a bit. Thanks for the find, Refugee.

The Refugee · 11-09-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremiah

Up until a few days ago, I thought this was a Sam Ash exclusive, now that I know I can buy from Sweetwater, my mind (and wallet) are opening up a bit. Thanks for the find, Refugee.

I suppose I should apologize, since it seems you have your mind set...

TattooedCarrot · 11-09-2011, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminalvertigo

Someone went out of their way to move the knobs, it was a decision made for some reason.

Actually I think its the other way around - they didn't want to move them to the vintage location because that would be going out of the way to do so. The modern Jr knobs look to be in the exact same place as two of the four on a regular SG. So more than likely, its easier to just tell the computer to not drill the other two than to reprogram new measurements as to where the vintage style knobs would go. Save a minute, save a buck.

The Refugee · 11-09-2011, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TattooedCarrot

Actually I think its the other way around - they didn't want to move them to the vintage location because that would be going out of the way to do so. The modern Jr knobs look to be in the exact same place as two of the four on a regular SG. So more than likely, its easier to just tell the computer to not drill the other two than to reprogram new measurements as to where the vintage style knobs would go. Save a minute, save a buck.

Maybe the tone knob, the volume knob is very high up.

TattooedCarrot · 11-09-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Refugee

Maybe the tone knob, the volume knob is very high up.

Yep, you're right, the standard knobs are slanted in a little towards the center of the body as well. Ok, I give up trying tio make sense of what Gibson does anymore

benjammin420 · 11-09-2011, 10:55 PM

very interesting

christophervolume · 11-10-2011, 09:18 AM

since the guitar is not technically a reissue that's why the specs (horn bevels/knobs/pick gaurd) aren't exactly the same as a 60s model. that being said, i don't mind some minor tweaking. i feel like it still retains 60s mojo. if it was a reissue, i'd want exact specs. this is a rad guitar for under a grand. can't wait to play one this weekend! i'll post again on playability, that's if i don't bring one home that day!

tattooed hands · 11-10-2011, 11:31 AM

I see that they are making a left handed version, when they come to the UK I will most certainly be picking one of these up.

terminalvertigo · 11-10-2011, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christophervolume

since the guitar is not technically a reissue that's why the specs (horn bevels/knobs/pick gaurd) aren't exactly the same as a 60s model. that being said, i don't mind some minor tweaking. i feel like it still retains 60s mojo. if it was a reissue, i'd want exact specs. this is a rad guitar for under a grand. can't wait to play one this weekend! i'll post again on playability, that's if i don't bring one home that day!

understood, but why not instead make a reissue with exact specs for under a grand? i don't think its too much to ask for, for $1000.

11-08-2011, 02:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Refugee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,539 Thanks: 131 Thanked 30 Times in 15 Posts	New SG Juniors Yep, yet another post about SGs from me. Gibson SG Junior '60s (Ebony) \| Sweetwater.com Man, Gibson has been putting out some sweet guitars ever since this whole rosewood scandal. Trying to keep people on their side maybe? Dunno, don't care. Very cool guitar here in my opinion. Only difference are the tuners and the baked maple board. Neither of which I really care about. Ebony and heritage cherry, looks and sounds good to me Thoughts? benjammin420 and Guitar Freak like this. __________________ #ForNico

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captain tightpants Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the pit rubbing the lotion on it's skin. It doesn't like the hose. Posts: 12,300 Thanks: 184 Thanked 174 Times in 32 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Dig the look of them, I'd like to try one out.

11-08-2011, 02:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
The Refugee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,539 Thanks: 131 Thanked 30 Times in 15 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Much agreed. I've wanted an early guard Junior for a while. One of these would be killer. The wraparound is cool. I expected a compensated one or maybe even a TOM bridge, but they kept it as uncompensated wraparound. Good stuff. Might not be vintage accurate (except for the first year I believe) but still cool. __________________ #ForNico

11-08-2011, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
captain tightpants Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the pit rubbing the lotion on it's skin. It doesn't like the hose. Posts: 12,300 Thanks: 184 Thanked 174 Times in 32 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Lots of folks up in arms about the baked maple board, but I'm surprisingly indifferent to it. Long as it plays good, I'm OK with it. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the position of the knobs, but it's not a deal breaker. christophervolume likes this.

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captain tightpants Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the pit rubbing the lotion on it's skin. It doesn't like the hose. Posts: 12,300 Thanks: 184 Thanked 174 Times in 32 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Could be, or perhaps it was to more closely emulate a Les Paul Junior position, who knows. Doesn't really matter if it plays good. Visually I just prefer the original location, but this isn't bad either.

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11-08-2011, 06:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 4,407 Thanks: 57 Thanked 78 Times in 28 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors It sucks they changed the knob position. It seems Gibson always does something to keep things from being perfect. matty666, your idol and b3john like this. __________________

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TattooedCarrot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,822 Thanks: 2 Thanked 85 Times in 27 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors They had one in Sam Ash yesterday, I don't think that baked maple is gonna work for me, it just doesn't look or feel right. It has kind of a reddish muddy light to medium brown color and the grain feels way to tight/smooth. I was optimistic until I actually saw one in person. your idol likes this.

11-09-2011, 01:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
TattooedCarrot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,822 Thanks: 2 Thanked 85 Times in 27 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors I agree on the picture. All I'm suggesting, is that you try and see one in person first. It made a difference for me to see the actual guitar and not just compare pictures. Based on the pictures, I was pretty optimistic they would be fine. After seeing the actual guitar, I changed my mind.

11-09-2011, 05:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
christophervolume Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: stage/studio Posts: 765 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors i think they look pretty cool. how different is the horn bevels from a vintage sg jr? i'll still try one out, and if i like it i'll buy. always wanted a sg jr with the old school pick gaurd. gonna throw a tremelo just like one of these on it. LesPauI+SG=Win likes this. __________________ www.facebook.com/the321s The 321s - Retro Rock N' Soul www.facebook.com/theblackbirdsmusic The Blackbirds - Folk/Americana www.myspace.com/heaters The Heaters - Garage Rock N' Roll

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christophervolume Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: stage/studio Posts: 765 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Guitar Gallery \| Sweetwater.com found lots of better pictures here. the bevels are "off" from a 60s original but i still think it's a great deal on a great looking p90 machine! __________________ www.facebook.com/the321s The 321s - Retro Rock N' Soul www.facebook.com/theblackbirdsmusic The Blackbirds - Folk/Americana www.myspace.com/heaters The Heaters - Garage Rock N' Roll

11-09-2011, 06:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
TattooedCarrot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,822 Thanks: 2 Thanked 85 Times in 27 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Knobs are off as well. Those pics look good. I'm not against one, I too would love a small guard junior. I would certainly be receptive to checking out others to see if another one was a better one for me. your idol likes this.

11-09-2011, 07:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
terminalvertigo Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: New SG Juniors I just cant get my head around why the always divert from the original designon every "reissue they make" why not make them like the old ones? look at fender, you can get a strat or a tele, jag, jm etc pretty much just like the old ones. and they sell well. Someone went out of their way to move the knobs, it was a decision made for some reason. Its not as if they are worried about people relicing them and selling them as old, or even cutting into the vintage market for them. i dont get it. matty666 likes this.

11-09-2011, 07:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jeremiah Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New England Posts: 1,417 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors Up until a few days ago, I thought this was a Sam Ash exclusive, now that I know I can buy from Sweetwater, my mind (and wallet) are opening up a bit. Thanks for the find, Refugee. The Refugee likes this. __________________ Rig - Eleven Rack /EXRP and BX5 D2 Studio Monitors and Behringer FCB1010 w/Eureka Prom Guitar - 2006 Les Paul Custom Alpine White

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11-10-2011, 09:18 AM	#28 (permalink)
christophervolume Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: stage/studio Posts: 765 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: New SG Juniors since the guitar is not technically a reissue that's why the specs (horn bevels/knobs/pick gaurd) aren't exactly the same as a 60s model. that being said, i don't mind some minor tweaking. i feel like it still retains 60s mojo. if it was a reissue, i'd want exact specs. this is a rad guitar for under a grand. can't wait to play one this weekend! i'll post again on playability, that's if i don't bring one home that day! __________________ www.facebook.com/the321s The 321s - Retro Rock N' Soul www.facebook.com/theblackbirdsmusic The Blackbirds - Folk/Americana www.myspace.com/heaters The Heaters - Garage Rock N' Roll

11-10-2011, 11:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
tattooed hands Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Essex, uk Posts: 337 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: New SG Juniors I see that they are making a left handed version, when they come to the UK I will most certainly be picking one of these up.

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