Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring

Escher · 03-22-2008, 07:44 PM

This can't be serious... I know historic LP's are very valuable, but is this for real?

1958 gibson les paul cream rhythm treble ring rare orig - eBay (item 280210177430 end time Mar-25-08 09:24:42 PDT)

BSeward · 03-22-2008, 07:56 PM

Looks used..... I wouldn't give him more than $1500.00 for it!

WildeStarr · 03-22-2008, 08:45 PM

Buy one from me, I will only charge $500.

gem12 · 03-23-2008, 02:11 PM

I would not give him anything for a piece of old plastic or whatever it made out of. That's pure BS (pardon my French)lol!!!!

Mike60 · 03-23-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gem12

I would not give him anything for a piece of old plastic or whatever it made out of. That's pure BS (pardon my French)lol!!!!

true,but if you are missing a real ring for your ole '58 then your perspective just might change...

WildeStarr · 03-23-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

true,but if you are missing a real ring for your ole '58 then your perspective just might change...

Yes, but how do you verify the date/age of the thing??? It's not like buying a guitar with serial numbers.

Mike60 · 03-23-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WildeStarr

Yes, but how do you verify the date/age of the thing??? It's not like buying a guitar with serial numbers.

...you gotta know what's what with stuff like that or know someone who does...or you could be out some coin...

WildeStarr · 03-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

...you gotta know what's what with stuff like that or know someone who does...or you could be out some coin...

I sent the seller a message asking how he could prove the age of it. Curious to see what his response will be.

Mike60 · 03-23-2008, 02:53 PM

I have never had any luck ever getting a response from this seller in the past other than "please call".

gem12 · 03-23-2008, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike60

true,but if you are missing a real ring for your ole '58 then your perspective just might change...

I dont think so...SORRY!!!!

WildeStarr · 03-23-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike60

I have never had any luck ever getting a response from this seller in the past other than "please call".

he got back to me....

"i can tell by teh guitar it came off of teh material and font was
discountinued in 1958 in 1959 the font changed"
jim

AllmanClaptonSRV · 03-23-2008, 06:55 PM

haha wow, and how are we spose to know if it really came off a 58' coulda been a scratched up epiphone ring. doubt it but still, thats way too much haha

AllmanClaptonSRV · 03-23-2008, 06:57 PM

id give him 4 bucks for it, no lie.

BCRGreg · 03-23-2008, 07:00 PM

It's real, guys. If you do not understand the vintage parts market, it will confound you. Certain parts, like creme toggle rings(which can easily be identified to the experienced eye) and humbucker mounting rings, were only used on Les Pauls from that period(with a lap steel or so tossed in).

Rare = expensive.

To just call it a piece of plastic is not correct. That's like calling a first run Mickey Mantle baseball card a piece of cardboard.

If you are not in that market, judging those that ARE is unfair.

You ARE entitled to your opinion, I am just trying to clarify for those that do not understand. Those that will refuse to understand will always be that way.

WildeStarr · 03-23-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AllmanClaptonSRV

haha wow, and how are we spose to know if it really came off a 58' coulda been a scratched up epiphone ring. doubt it but still, thats way too much haha

I will take a recent era used one, scratch it up, get it dirty, throw it in the micowave for a few seconds... and sell it for $500.00.
Buy from me and SAVE $$$$$

WildeStarr · 03-23-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Those that will refuse to understand will always be that way.

And I have no problem with that at all.

Mr. Fuzzy · 03-25-2008, 11:39 AM

When somone wants to knock off 5K or more from the purchase price because a vintage guitar is missing a part, and is no longer "all original".
2K is a small investment to make the extra 3K.

When things are rare and "collectable" it is a whole new ballgame.

loverocker · 03-25-2008, 04:38 PM

What Greg and Fuzzy said. If you have a guitar that needs this type of part, and have the money available, it's usually stupid NOT to buy.

rickym · 03-25-2008, 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=WildeStarr;108977]And I have no problem with that at all.

Same here. It fall into perspective if you knock a few zeros off of both the '58 that needs it & the toggle ring.

But if it's off of a '58 is that one being parted out?

Escher · 03-25-2008, 06:45 PM

Thanks for the input guys. Like many others, I'm learning about the "Les Paul World".

I've been involved with Beretta Handguns for years, and know first hand how much the right buyer is willing to pay due to rarity. I've turned around guns with nearly 100% profit in two days, because I was in the right place a the right time.

While I personally am not into the "historic" guitars, I can definately appreciate them.

Just a side note... the local guitar center has a stratocaster (60's vintage I think), all original, for $50K!!! One of those "Guy bought it for his son and it got stashed in the attic for 35 years" stories. Amazing!

I imagine that if I had the money, I would find vintage guitar collecting much more appealing...

rickym · 03-25-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Escher

I imagine that if I had the money, I would find vintage guitar collecting much more appealing...

You got that right. I would've been all over the Clapton auctions.

shotgunlew · 03-26-2008, 01:25 AM

I guess "les" really is more....

chris

BlaZ1n · 03-27-2008, 03:32 PM

I run into this shit all the time looking for parts for my 67 fastback.

It goes like this.

me: I need a lap belt for an old ford.
junkyard: Yeah I have one. Five bucks and it's yours.
me: FOr a 67 Mustang?
junkyard: Oh wait.............yeah I have it but its fivehundred dollars.
me: WTF?

Or well somthing like that. baseball cards car parts guitars it's all the same. But some of this stuff is just to much.

kevin134 · 03-31-2008, 09:17 PM

I noticed he had lots of Jack Plates for sale in his auctions... explains all the BR-9 lapsteels with allparts jackplates out there...

refin · 03-31-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

It's real, guys. If you do not understand the vintage parts market, it will confound you. Certain parts, like creme toggle rings(which can easily be identified to the experienced eye) and humbucker mounting rings, were only used on Les Pauls from that period(with a lap steel or so tossed in).

Rare = expensive.

To just call it a piece of plastic is not correct. That's like calling a first run Mickey Mantle baseball card a piece of cardboard.

If you are not in that market, judging those that ARE is unfair.

You ARE entitled to your opinion, I am just trying to clarify for those that do not understand. Those that will refuse to understand will always be that way.

Word..................

The "plastic" pickup rings from that era go for about $15 large a pair.If you are restoring a $500,000 burst,that ain't a bad investment.
I've often thought about selling the ring off of my conversion.If the guitar was original,no way---but I could use another great amp,and I never got too much tone out of the ring (LOL).

WildeStarr · 04-01-2008, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin134

I noticed he had lots of Jack Plates for sale in his auctions... explains all the BR-9 lapsteels with allparts jackplates out there...

03-22-2008, 07:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
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BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,967 Thanks: 157 Thanked 730 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring It's real, guys. If you do not understand the vintage parts market, it will confound you. Certain parts, like creme toggle rings(which can easily be identified to the experienced eye) and humbucker mounting rings, were only used on Les Pauls from that period(with a lap steel or so tossed in). Rare = expensive. To just call it a piece of plastic is not correct. That's like calling a first run Mickey Mantle baseball card a piece of cardboard. If you are not in that market, judging those that ARE is unfair. You ARE entitled to your opinion, I am just trying to clarify for those that do not understand. Those that will refuse to understand will always be that way. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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Mr. Fuzzy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 136 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring When somone wants to knock off 5K or more from the purchase price because a vintage guitar is missing a part, and is no longer "all original". 2K is a small investment to make the extra 3K. When things are rare and "collectable" it is a whole new ballgame.

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loverocker Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring What Greg and Fuzzy said. If you have a guitar that needs this type of part, and have the money available, it's usually stupid NOT to buy.

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rickym Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Monrovia, CA USA Posts: 853 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring [QUOTE=WildeStarr;108977]And I have no problem with that at all. Same here. It fall into perspective if you knock a few zeros off of both the '58 that needs it & the toggle ring. But if it's off of a '58 is that one being parted out?

03-25-2008, 06:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Escher Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fenton, MI Posts: 191 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring Thanks for the input guys. Like many others, I'm learning about the "Les Paul World". I've been involved with Beretta Handguns for years, and know first hand how much the right buyer is willing to pay due to rarity. I've turned around guns with nearly 100% profit in two days, because I was in the right place a the right time. While I personally am not into the "historic" guitars, I can definately appreciate them. Just a side note... the local guitar center has a stratocaster (60's vintage I think), all original, for $50K!!! One of those "Guy bought it for his son and it got stashed in the attic for 35 years" stories. Amazing! I imagine that if I had the money, I would find vintage guitar collecting much more appealing... __________________ Agile PS-900, Agile PS-924, Schecter C1-Elite, DIY Les Paul, Gibson LP Studio VM, Gibson LP Studio Fireburst Peavey Classic 100 Avatar Vintage 1X12 MXR Classic Distortion, Blackstar HT Drive, Pod 2.0, Pod X3 Garageband

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BlaZ1n Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow.... $2k for a toggle switch ring I run into this shit all the time looking for parts for my 67 fastback. It goes like this. me: I need a lap belt for an old ford. junkyard: Yeah I have one. Five bucks and it's yours. me: FOr a 67 Mustang? junkyard: Oh wait.............yeah I have it but its fivehundred dollars. me: WTF? Or well somthing like that. baseball cards car parts guitars it's all the same. But some of this stuff is just to much.

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